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who takes it? Both are hard to hit and intimidate other fighters but naseem is more of a knockout threat. Can Whitaker survive his big left hand to win on points?

Yes, he's too big for Hamed.

pernell was a on a different level than hamed. hamed was very entertaining to watch but pernell would win this easy imo.

i think pernell is too tight technically but it might end up as a good fight. hamed would be looking for a ko punch from the first bell as usual

witherspoon wrote:Yes, he's too big for Hamed.

There's also the little matter of him being twenty times the fighter Hamed ever was

Who cares?......2 southpaws.

One pitty patter the other a clown.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

witherspoon wrote:Yes, he's too big for Hamed.

There's also the little matter of him being twenty times the fighter Hamed ever was

Well yeah, that too, if you want to get technical about the whole thing.................

if Hamed was a natural at 135 or 147 he might have a chance as it is this is not even close

Ezzard wrote:if Hamed was a natural at 135 or 147 he might have a chance as it is this is not even close

--- Pea was a natural lightweight who was able to fight at higher weights only because of extraordinary reflexes.

That translates to superfeather in Hamed's era. Hamed was likely going to move up to meet Floyd before getting derailed by Barrera.

Now, for whatever reason, Pea kept away from Camacho, probably because of the speed and southpaw factor, and was never matched against any prime sluggers. Chavez was above his best weight and starting a slide when they met. Duva sacrificed Taylor first and kept Pea in reserve until later. Pea was put down by Roger Mayweather in his first lightweight title challenge, so a really awkward talented guy like Hamed could strike lightning at lightweight.

BTW, as far as I see, Pea is 1-2-1 in HOF fights, a good stretch of title wins, but guys like Manny, Marg, Williams, Ricky would get skewered for fighting that level of comp by todays fair weather boxing fans.

That last post was beyond stupid.

Whitaker would be a lightweight if he fought today. His great speed doesn't translate him into be a superfeatherweight. That's absolute nonsense.
Whitaker never fought below lightweight in his career.
Hamed never fought above featherweight in his career.
Even if Hamed was as good in P4P sense (and he isn't even close) there would be a big question of how well he would moving up two weight classes.

Whitaker never fought a slugger who was in his prime? What in the world are you talking about?

Yes, Whitaker 1-2-1 vs Hall of Famers. If you use your brain a little bit you will see that that is pretty good for many reasons.
1. Whitaker would be 2-2 if he would have got the decision that he deserved against Chavez instead of the draw.
2. Chavez was atleast as close to his prime when he fought Chavez that Whitaker himself was when he fought Trinidad and De la Hoya.
3. When Ramirez gets elected (he isn't eligible yet), Whitaker will have eanother win over a Hall of Famer.
4. Guess how many Hall of Famers the great Hamed beat during his career? I will save you trouble. The answer is zero.

But if Barrera embarrassed Hamed, Pernell would likely "tap" him to pieces in an even more maddening sort of way.

Ambling Alp wrote:That last post was beyond stupid.

--- Specially designed just for you Big Boy.

Oh, and for the rest, Pea wasn't Mr. Invincible. He relied on the good graces of the judges mostly since he couldn't crack a open a peanut, which is how he lost the Ramirez fight and got a draw with Chavez that everyone complains about. I thought McGirt beat him and he had plenty of fights where he spent a lot of time clowning and posing and not fighting. Hamed would get into that and was quite deadly regardless of how poor you think he was. Barrera a much better boxer than Pea could stick to a game plan whereas Pea would go into improv which feeds right into Hamed's hand.

Really interesting how some get so upset over hypothetical fights, pretty much revealing their limitations of boxing. Any fighter could potentially beat another fighter which is how favorites routinely get upset like Saturday when Shane fought THE FIGHT of his life against all odds. I prefer the clinical aspect of breaking down and matching the skills and natural atributes, whereas some of you just want to rah rah with the pompoms for your guy.

Now I enjoy looking at cheerleaders as much as the next guy, but I've sneaking suspicion I'd rather not see the cheerleaders here in their outfits.l

People seem to agree that the decisions against Ramirez and Chavez were unjust. One can criticize any fighter but Whittaker's consistency is highly impressive. Whittaker would certainly be heavily favored over Hamed.

With regards to Barrera vs Whittaker I would like to point out that Barrera was dominated by Pacquiao in a way that Whittaker never was when close to his peak. I would think this would be relevant.

Cojimar 1945 wrote:With regards to Barrera vs Whittaker I would like to point out that Barrera was dominated by Pacquiao in a way that Whittaker never was when close to his peak. I would think this would be relevant.

--- Duva kept Pea away from lightning lefty Camacho and big sluggers, so what makes you think he'd let Pea fight Manny?

Some of you have some curious logic. Jack Dempsey never took the ferocious beatings that Ali took against Frazier and Foreman, which means jack if it could be arranged for their eras to overlap primes and fight.

I see nothing on Pea's CV indicating he was invulnerable to top fighters since he didn't really fight many top fighters. What I do see is a fan base worshipping bolo punches and clowning in the ring he was able to do against less dangerous opponents.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Ezzard wrote:if Hamed was a natural at 135 or 147 he might have a chance as it is this is not even close

--- Pea was a natural lightweight who was able to fight at higher weights only because of extraordinary reflexes.

That translates to superfeather in Hamed's era. Hamed was likely going to move up to meet Floyd before getting derailed by Barrera.

Now, for whatever reason, Pea kept away from Camacho, probably because of the speed and southpaw factor, and was never matched against any prime sluggers. Chavez was above his best weight and starting a slide when they met. Duva sacrificed Taylor first and kept Pea in reserve until later. Pea was put down by Roger Mayweather in his first lightweight title challenge, so a really awkward talented guy like Hamed could strike lightning at lightweight.

BTW, as far as I see, Pea is 1-2-1 in HOF fights, a good stretch of title wins, but guys like Manny, Marg, Williams, Ricky would get skewered for fighting that level of comp by todays fair weather boxing fans.

My point is that a guy with great power at 126 doesn't necessarily have that power at 135. A proven puncher of Hamed's ability at 135 would have a chance.

I heard that Whittaker absolutely dominated Camacho in sparring, but I've always been of the opinion that Hector would be 50-50 with Whittaker.

I think Duva turned down a number of offers to fight Chavez until he decided Pernell was ready and Chavez wasn't.

Camacho would have given Whitaker fits..........and beat him handily.

Broughtonrules refuge said"--- Duva kept Pea away from lightning lefty Camacho and big sluggers, so what makes you think he'd let Pea fight Manny?


Some of you have some curious logic. Jack Dempsey never took the ferocious beatings that Ali took against Frazier and Foreman, which means jack if it could be arranged for their eras to overlap primes and fight.

I see nothing on Pea's CV indicating he was invulnerable to top fighters since he didn't really fight many top fighters. What I do see is a fan base worshipping bolo punches and clowning in the ring he was able to do against less dangerous opponents.[/quote]

Look harder.
Whitaker did fight Trinidad and De La hoya who couldn't stop him despite Whitaker being well past it. Whitaker also fought McGirt, Mayweather, Nelson, Ramirez, and Chavez. In another words, he fought most of the best fighters and hardest punchers of his era that were in his weight class.

The comparison is between Hamed and Whitaker and you are saying that Whitaker didn't fight anyone?
And Hamed's big wins were against who again?

And no, I am not a member of Whitaker's "fan base".
However, just because I don't like a guy doesn't mean that I can't judge his career legitimately.

Pernell and Hamed, for the most obnoxious people's championship.

Pernell would win.

Ambling Alp wrote:
3. When Camacho gets elected (he isn't eligible yet), Whitaker will have another win over a Hall of Famer.

are you saying that Pernell beat hector? Why do you keep making up stories?

Sorry, that was a mistake; I meant Ramirez. I'm editing it.

ringsider...dont make me laugh

camacho beat pernell whitaker

see whitaker vs nelson.........whitaker wins first 9 rounds then clowns for last 3

easy for sweet pea

enrique wrote:Pernell and Hamed, for the most obnoxious people's championship.

Pernell would win.

Seconded!

boxerbob wrote:ringsider...dont make me laugh

camacho beat pernell whitaker

see whitaker vs nelson.........whitaker wins first 9 rounds then clowns for last 3

easy for sweet pea

Ha....Camacho is not Nelson. Get with it......

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Ambling Alp wrote:That last post was beyond stupid.

--- Specially designed just for you Big Boy.

Oh, and for the rest, Pea wasn't Mr. Invincible. He relied on the good graces of the judges mostly since he couldn't crack a open a peanut, which is how he lost the Ramirez fight and got a draw with Chavez that everyone complains about.

.l

Relied on the good graces of the judges?? Those two fights are universally recognized as AWFUL decisions and that Whitaker was the deserved winner. Your ability to score a fight is apparently on tap with the rest of your boxing acumen.