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OK it was me what bought the Taylor/Mundine PPV.
The penny has dropped Mundine is the consumate prize fighter and now I understand him. Finally

He doesn't care about respect, he doesn't have any.
He doesn't care about a legacy,
He doesn't care about the quality of opposition he fights.
He is a prize fighter. He punches for money and he is making heaps. I will no longer expect more from him cos he is a sublime talent
He is Anthony Mundine and he punches for pay. Good on ya Anthony.
Now about last night....
The undercard?
Apart from the Hamden fight it was garbage.
Someone could have got killed.
We should be given a contest not these mismatches.........Why fight when you get a better contest in training
If one of these sacrificed lambs gets killed we should castrate the promotor. CRAP
As for my next PPV it will not be a Mundine card.

What was I thinking..

Taylor .......If I hear about you and Jesus one more time...........and if I had have known in advamce you planned on going 12 without throwing a straight punch I would have been watching the soccer....

Finally Anthony if you keep turning your back Sturn, or any other decent fighter will kill you.

Peace
OUT!

Grant wrote:OK it was me what bought the Taylor/Mundine PPV.
The penny has dropped Mundine is the consumate prize fighter and now I understand him. Finally

He doesn't care about respect, he doesn't have any.
He doesn't care about a legacy,
He doesn't care about the quality of opposition he fights.
He is a prize fighter. He punches for money and he is making heaps. I will no longer expect more from him cos he is a sublime talent
He is Anthony Mundine and he punches for pay. Good on ya Anthony.
Now about last night....
The undercard?
Apart from the Hamden fight it was garbage.
Someone could have got killed.
We should be given a contest not these mismatches.........Why fight when you get a better contest in training
If one of these sacrificed lambs gets killed we should castrate the promotor. CRAP
As for my next PPV it will not be a Mundine card.

What was I thinking..

Taylor .......If I hear about you and Jesus one more time...........and if I had have known in advamce you planned on going 12 without throwing a straight punch I would have been watching the soccer....

Finally Anthony if you keep turning your back Sturn, or any other decent fighter will kill you.

Peace
OUT!

i dont know if he is making heaps TBH...also, he has a lot of hangers on.

to be fair the kerry foley fight was good...he had he cheek bone broken in 3 places

is that true
how do you know this
were you there

gerry wrote:is that true
how do you know this
were you there

He told me... I speak to him thru facebook (don't know him personally). He said it was the uppercut in the 2nd round that did it

Anthony has plans to be the "first born and bred Australian" and the "first Australian Aboriginal" to be an undisputed World champion.

Shame Tony did not tell him about Jimmy Carruthers (who probably refereed most of Tony's early fights and who won the undisputed World Bantamweight title in 1952) and Lionel Rose (became undisputed bantamweight champion in 1968 while Tony was growing up).

Brute wrote:Anthony has plans to be the "first born and bred Australian" and the "first Australian Aboriginal" to be an undisputed World champion.

Shame Tony did not tell him about Jimmy Carruthers (who probably refereed most of Tony's early fights and who won the undisputed World Bantamweight title in 1952) and Lionel Rose (became undisputed bantamweight champion in 1968 while Tony was growing up).

Hey Brute you seem to know a fair bit about boxing of the past.
Have Australia ever had a Middleweight world champion?

Les Darcy held the Australian version of the world Middleweight title during the First World War. The standard of boxing in Australia was very high at that time. I could not even tell you who was recognized overseas then. For much of the early years of the twentieth century boxing was illegal in the USA because of "scandals" in the sport. A lot of good american fighters came out here.

Brute wrote:Les Darcy held the Australian version of the world Middleweight title during the First World War. The standard of boxing in Australia was very high at that time. I could not even tell you who was recognized overseas then. For much of the early years of the twentieth century boxing was illegal in the USA because of "scandals" in the sport. A lot of good american fighters came out here.

So post world war, there hasn't been a world middle weight champion from Australia?

If that's true that's really disappointing, you would think with the rich history of Australian boxing we could have produced a 160 world champ.

Hounddog wrote:

Brute wrote:Les Darcy held the Australian version of the world Middleweight title during the First World War. The standard of boxing in Australia was very high at that time. I could not even tell you who was recognized overseas then. For much of the early years of the twentieth century boxing was illegal in the USA because of "scandals" in the sport. A lot of good american fighters came out here.

So post world war, there hasn't been a world middle weight champion from Australia?

If that's true that's really disappointing, you would think with the rich history of Australian boxing we could have produced a 160 world champ.

The middleweight title was the hardest title to win for a long time because it was the most populated division. Look at some of the champions since the 1940s. Zale, Graziano, La Motta, Robinson, Tiger, Griffith, Monzon, Hagler, it's like a who's who of boxing. Dave Sands beat Bobo Olson twice before Olson became World Middleweight Champ, but was killed in a motor accident. Tony Mundine got a shot against Carlos Monzon, but that was like trying to knock a building down. Internal politics in Australian boxing did not help either.

Hounddog wrote:

Brute wrote:Les Darcy held the Australian version of the world Middleweight title during the First World War. The standard of boxing in Australia was very high at that time. I could not even tell you who was recognized overseas then. For much of the early years of the twentieth century boxing was illegal in the USA because of "scandals" in the sport. A lot of good american fighters came out here.

So post world war, there hasn't been a world middle weight champion from Australia?

If that's true that's really disappointing, you would think with the rich history of Australian boxing we could have produced a 160 world champ.

At the risk of having you all pile on me, how can you say Aus has a rich history in boxing?? It does OK for a relatively small population, but not as well as it should do for a First World country. Don't get me wrong, y'all are world beaters at most sports, just not boxing.

* Cue outrage, abuse, and "Kali Meehan would KO David Haye" responses *

oliverfennell wrote:

Hounddog wrote:

Brute wrote:Les Darcy held the Australian version of the world Middleweight title during the First World War. The standard of boxing in Australia was very high at that time. I could not even tell you who was recognized overseas then. For much of the early years of the twentieth century boxing was illegal in the USA because of "scandals" in the sport. A lot of good american fighters came out here.

So post world war, there hasn't been a world middle weight champion from Australia?

If that's true that's really disappointing, you would think with the rich history of Australian boxing we could have produced a 160 world champ.

At the risk of having you all pile on me, how can you say Aus has a rich history in boxing?? It does OK for a relatively small population, but not as well as it should do for a First World country. Don't get me wrong, y'all are world beaters at most sports, just not boxing.

* Cue outrage, abuse, and "Kali Meehan would KO David Haye" responses *

Where was the First real heavyweight title staged?

Just out of curiosity which nation are the world beaters, with the exception of the US?

Why would you preempt a response by others to a dick head remark, most wont give you the time of day, but it give's me the shits when tools slag of nations, or race.

Where was the First real heavyweight title staged?

You now have to disperse the foggy ruins of time here. A good starting point would be the career of John L Sullivan. Possibly the bout between the champion John L Sullivan and challenger "Gentleman Jim Corbett" could be considered the first real bout as John L didn't defend his title "too much" being pre-occupied with vauderville.

This famous bout was the finale of the old Errol Flynn film classic: Gentleman Jim.

oliverfennell wrote:

Hounddog wrote:

Brute wrote:Les Darcy held the Australian version of the world Middleweight title during the First World War. The standard of boxing in Australia was very high at that time. I could not even tell you who was recognized overseas then. For much of the early years of the twentieth century boxing was illegal in the USA because of "scandals" in the sport. A lot of good american fighters came out here.

So post world war, there hasn't been a world middle weight champion from Australia?

If that's true that's really disappointing, you would think with the rich history of Australian boxing we could have produced a 160 world champ.

At the risk of having you all pile on me, how can you say Aus has a rich history in boxing?? It does OK for a relatively small population, but not as well as it should do for a First World country. Don't get me wrong, y'all are world beaters at most sports, just not boxing.

* Cue outrage, abuse, and "Kali Meehan would KO David Haye" responses *

This post does smack of trolling.

I don't think we underachieve. Boxing in the 60's and 70's was a major sport here and since then we have borrowed several world champions from other nations, including the current No.2 rated Boxrec p4p fighter. Vic is a true blue Aussie mate....don't ever forget that.

Hounddog wrote:Where was the First real heavyweight title staged?

Just out of curiosity which nation are the world beaters, with the exception of the US?

Why would you preempt a response by others to a dick head remark, most wont give you the time of day, but it give's me the shits when tools slag of nations, or race.

If you have to go all the way back to the first world heavyweight title fight for reference, that does kind of prove my point.

The world beaters outside the US? Currently Mexico, Japan, Philippines, UK, Germany, Russia. Historically all those plus Argentina, South Africa, Thailand, France, Italy.

It does seem like no-one can make a criticism of Aussie boxing on here without getting blasted from all sides. Aus has had - and does have currently - some decent world champs, but compared to a lot of countries, it does not have a "rich history" in boxing. It's not trolling, it's just the way I see it as a neutral.

I don't slag off nations or races (what is the Aussie race anyway?). I comment on what people say on boxing boards. Am I slagging off the US nation and race if I point out that the boxing power base has largely shifted to Europe? Am I slagging off the entire continent of Asia and its people if I point out that their boxers are largely unknown to the rest of the world? And so on.

Re. Darchinyan. Of course he's Aussie. If he chooses to be, then that's good enough for me. Same with Tszyu and Ndou and others. Especially in such a rich, multicultural land. Where I come from, a lot of people refuse to accept Lennox Lewis as British.

oliverfennell wrote:

Hounddog wrote:Where was the First real heavyweight title staged?

Just out of curiosity which nation are the world beaters, with the exception of the US?

Why would you preempt a response by others to a dick head remark, most wont give you the time of day, but it give's me the shits when tools slag of nations, or race.

If you have to go all the way back to the first world heavyweight title fight for reference, that does kind of prove my point.

The world beaters outside the US? Currently Mexico, Japan, Philippines, UK, Germany, Russia. Historically all those plus Argentina, South Africa, Thailand, France, Italy.

It does seem like no-one can make a criticism of Aussie boxing on here without getting blasted from all sides. Aus has had - and does have currently - some decent world champs, but compared to a lot of countries, it does not have a "rich history" in boxing. It's not trolling, it's just the way I see it as a neutral

I don't slag off nations or races (what is the Aussie race anyway?). I comment on what people say on boxing boards. Am I slagging off the US nation and race if I point out that the boxing power base has largely shifted to Europe? Am I slagging off the entire continent of Asia and its people if I point out that their boxers are largely unknown to the rest of the world? And so on.

Re. Darchinyan. Of course he's Aussie. If he chooses to be, then that's good enough for me. Same with Tszyu and Ndou and others. Especially in such a rich, multicultural land. Where I come from, a lot of people refuse to accept Lennox Lewis as British.

I think a lot of country's that you mentioned just do ok, but far from wrestling the crown from the US.
I guess this comes down to what people conceive as a title and who is actually the champion in a division.

That my friend is what you call ignorence.

If you are a neutral person and you want to remain impartial and free from peoples responses, don't comment on things that will provoke people.


I visit other boards, i see people over hyping particular boxers, but i don't sit there pigeon hole that persons response to that man/women homeland.

You didn't answer where the first real heavyweight title took place, and how an Australian promoter bought the first mixed race Heavyweight title to Rush cutters bay,IMO that is when boxing began. Is that enough rich history for you.

How exactly are the UK world beaters!?!

Of course none of those countries come close to overtaking the US, but my point was they've all been very well represented on the world stage.

Hounddog, I don't get your point. I say I'm a neutral but you say I can't maintain that neutrality if I have critical opinion of something? By neutral, I mean I'm not pro- or anti-Australia. I'm just some bloke who's not from there. I'm a neutral about the US, too, and almost the whole of the world except for where I'm from. Am I not allowed to have an opinion on anywhere except my land of birth and/or residence?

By "what is the Aussie race?", I wasn't being ignorant. Of course I know what the Aussie race is, natively/historically speaking, but what I meant by that comment was to point out the multiculturalism of the modern Australia. In boxing alone, you've got Aboriginal Anthony Mundine, caucasian Danny Green, Greek Michael Katsidis, black South African Lovemore Ndou, Armenian Vic Darchinyan, the Middle Eastern Hussein brothers, Russian Kostya Tszyu, to name but a few. In society terms, you have all these plus big populations of Far East Asians, Pacific islanders and more. Saying someone is slagging off the "Australian race" is just a bit of an odd comment, when you consider the above.

oliverfennell wrote: I'm not pro- or anti-Australia.

That is BS

oliverfennell wrote:Of course none of those countries come close to overtaking the US, but my point was they've all been very well represented on the world stage.

Hounddog, I don't get your point. I say I'm a neutral but you say I can't maintain that neutrality if I have critical opinion of something? By neutral, I mean I'm not pro- or anti-Australia. I'm just some bloke who's not from there. I'm a neutral about the US, too, and almost the whole of the world except for where I'm from. Am I not allowed to have an opinion on anywhere except my land of birth and/or residence?

By "what is the Aussie race?", I wasn't being ignorant. Of course I know what the Aussie race is, natively/historically speaking, but what I meant by that comment was to point out the multiculturalism of the modern Australia. In boxing alone, you've got Aboriginal Anthony Mundine, caucasian Danny Green, Greek Michael Katsidis, black South African Lovemore Ndou, Armenian Vic Darchinyan, the Middle Eastern Hussein brothers, Russian Kostya Tszyu, to name but a few. In society terms, you have all these plus big populations of Far East Asians, Pacific islanders and more. Saying someone is slagging off the "Australian race" is just a bit of an odd comment, when you consider the above.

Those guys were born here though.So was Mundine and Danny Green.

Hounddog wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:Of course none of those countries come close to overtaking the US, but my point was they've all been very well represented on the world stage.

Hounddog, I don't get your point. I say I'm a neutral but you say I can't maintain that neutrality if I have critical opinion of something? By neutral, I mean I'm not pro- or anti-Australia. I'm just some bloke who's not from there. I'm a neutral about the US, too, and almost the whole of the world except for where I'm from. Am I not allowed to have an opinion on anywhere except my land of birth and/or residence?

By "what is the Aussie race?", I wasn't being ignorant. Of course I know what the Aussie race is, natively/historically speaking, but what I meant by that comment was to point out the multiculturalism of the modern Australia. In boxing alone, you've got Aboriginal Anthony Mundine, caucasian Danny Green, Greek Michael Katsidis, black South African Lovemore Ndou, Armenian Vic Darchinyan, the Middle Eastern Hussein brothers, Russian Kostya Tszyu, to name but a few. In society terms, you have all these plus big populations of Far East Asians, Pacific islanders and more. Saying someone is slagging off the "Australian race" is just a bit of an odd comment, when you consider the above.

Those guys were born here though.So was Mundine and Danny Green.

By race, I didn't mean where they were born. I mean their ethnicity, whether born in Aus or having immigrated. By the way...

***WARNING! POSITIVE AUSTRALIA COMMENT TO FOLLOW***

... that's something I love about Australia; it's multiculturalism. On a boxing level, I think it's great that a Russian or a South African or an Armenian or whoever can move there as an adult and say "I'm boxing for Australia", and be embraced by you guys. In the UK you've pretty much got to be born and bred (or at least second or third generation) and live in a council estate to pick up a following.

Marlin wrote:

oliverfennell wrote: I'm not pro- or anti-Australia.

That is BS

No it isn't. The continued refusal to maturely accept that a foreigner may have different opinions to the Aussie fans is what's BS. I've spent time in Australia, I like the place and its people. I wish Australian boxers the best of luck because they're almost always good value for money. But that does not mean I don't see negatives, nor that I don't have the right to talk about them.

"Katsidis wants to train in S.E Asia because there are better boxing opportunities there than in Australia" - that's not anti-Aus, that's fair comment.

"Katsidis is overrated in world class" - that's not anti-Aus, that's talking about a guy who struggled badly against Earl and Amonsot. (Actually I made this comment before the Casamayor fight, which in all fairness did a lot to prove me wrong, even though he lost. But I was ripe to be lynched for saying he wasn't world class based on the Earl and Amonsot fights)

"Kali Meehan is not world class" - that's not anti-Aus, that's looking at a guy's talent and achievements. He's great to watch and I'd rather he got a HW belt than a lot of other guys, but that doesn't mean I can't call it how I see it.

...and so on...

You want some positives? Kostya Tszyu was one of my favourite fighters of recent years. Darchinyan is one of my favourites right now and looks headed towards P4P recognition. Mundine is a fantastic talent. Your amateurs are typically better than Britain's.

As I said, I'm neutral. I call it as I see it. Am I anti-US if I say their heavyweights suck? Am I anti-Argentina if I say a once-great boxing nation has faded into irrelevance? Am I anti-South Africa if I criticise them for over-reliance on second-tier world titles, and for poor matchmaking?

I'm all for discussing boxing from anywhere in the world but if you guys think one way to improve Australia's relative isolation in the sport is to shoot down anyone who isn't blindly cheerleading a product that can quite obviously be improved, then so be it. I'll stick to the boards where more than one line of thinking can be tolerated.

Leave Oliver alone. He is in a frozen shithole in the middle of a bad winter. Of course he is cranky.

Brute wrote:Leave Oliver alone. He is in a frozen shithole in the middle of a bad winter. Of course he is cranky.

I live in Thailand.

oliverfennell wrote:

Brute wrote:Leave Oliver alone. He is in a frozen shithole in the middle of a bad winter. Of course he is cranky.

I live in Thailand.

don't you get it, it's your ethnicity that counts.

Not sure I do get it, no. Obviously trying to be smart relating back to my earlier comments about ethnicities in Australia, but I was actually being positive there. Doesn't really make sense as a "comeback" however you look at it.