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Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 20 Feb 2009, 11:49
by trampie
1] Sugar Ray Robinson
2] Henry Armstrong
3] Langford
4] Greb
5] Duran
6] B.Leonard
7] Wilde
8] Ali
9] Louis
10] Pep
11] Charles
12] Fitzsimmons
13] Gans
14] R.Leonard
15] Hagler
16] Walker
17] Moore
18] Jofre
19] Tunney
20] Jack Johnson
21] Monzon
22] Whitaker
23] B.Ross
24] Saddler
25] Canzoneri
26] Salvador Sanchez
27] Babadoes Joe Walcott
28] Ketchel
29] I.Williams
30] Burley
31] Marciano
32] Jack Dempsey
33] Roy Jones Jnr
34] Holmes
35] Dixon
36] Cesar Charvez
37] E.Griffith
38] Arguello
39] L.Lewis
40] Kid Gavilan
41] Hearns
42] Napoles
43] Packey McFarland
44] Freddie Welsh
45] Driscoll
46] C.Ortiz
47] Holyfield
48] Mayweather Jnr
49] Harada
50] Britton
51] Olivares
52] M.Spinks
53] Calzaghe
54] Hopkins
55] Wills
56] W.Gomez
57] foster
58] Loughran
59] LM Rodriquez
60] Villa
61] Al Brown
62] M.Ortiz
63] Dick Tiger
64] Conn
65] Attell
66] Pascual Perez
67] Canto
68] McGovern
69] Ted Kid Lewis
70] Kid Chocolate
71] Joe Brown
72] Tiger Flower
73] Cerdan
74] Jeffries
75] Basilio
76] McLarnin
77] T.Ryan
78] Beau Jack
79] Angott
80] Pryer
81] McCallum
82] W.Benitez
83] De La Hoya
84] Billy Graham
85] Gibbons
86] Kilbane
87] Blackburn
88] Ambers
89] Tyson
90] H.Williams
91] Liston
92] Herman
93] Philly Jack O'Brien
94] Loi
95] Cervantes
96] Zarate
97] Giardello
98] Trinidad
99] Buchanan
100]Laguna
101]Montgomery
102]Barrera
103]Dundee
104]Zale
105]Vicente Salvador
106]LaBarba
107]Kid Williams
108]Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
109]Elorde
110]Genero
111]Battling Nelson
112]Rosenbloom
113]La Motta
114]Foreman
115]Frazier
116]R.Lopez
117]Carpentier
118]Locche
119]Pacquiao
120]Kane
121]Jersey Joe Walcott
122]Dillon
123]Marshall
124]Graziano
125]Delaney
126]Camacho
127]Sharkey
128]J.Lynch
129]Kingpetch
130]Barry
131]Ad Wolgast
132]Benvenuti
133]Baer
134]Jeanette
135]Tendler
136]Buff
137]Coulon
138]Chandler
139]H.Johnson
140]DeJesus
141]Young P.Jackson
142]Winky Wright
143]Mosley
144]Morales
145]Blackburn
146]Griffo
147]H.Gonzalez
148]Kid Berg
149]Azumah Nelson
150]Mandell
151]Escobar
152]Freddie Steele
153]Holly
154]Bud Taylor
155]Accavallo
156]Young Corbett 111
157]Booker
158]Bivins
159]Moran
160]Ohba
161]B.Lynch
162]Toney
163]James J Corbett
164]Patterson
165]Kid McCoy
166]Galaxy
167]Freddie Miller
168]Carbajal
169]F.Burns
170]Winstone
171]Levinsky
172]Fullmer
173]McAuliffe
174]McGuigan
175]Pintor
176]Coulon
177]Pal Moore
178]Becerra
179]E.Pedrozsa
180]Fenech
181]Honeyghan
182]Joey Archer
183]Qawi
184]John Henry Lewis
185]Hamed
186]Collins
187]Saad Muhammed
188]Perkins
189]Schmeling
190]Turpin
191]Gushiken
192]George Gardner
193]Jung Koo Chang
194]John L Sullivan
195]Ritchie
196]Kilbane
197]Bowe
198]Eubank
199]Kid Lavigne
200]Zivic
201]Benn
202]Terry Norris
203]Midget Wolgast
204]Lew Jenkins
205]Maxim
206]Darcey
207]Freddie Mills
208]Papp
209]Rosenberg
210]Percy Jones
211]Battling Battalino
212]Stansol
213]Laciar
214]Kid Norfolk
215]Nunn
216]Danny Lopez
217]Tommy Burns
218]Mormack
219]Michalczewski
220]Virgil Hill
221]Tiozzo
222]Carruthers
223]Chalky Wright
224]Young Corbett 11
225]Papke
226]George Godfrey
227]Choynski
228]Johansson
229]Arcachakov
230]Kid Kaplan
231]Jackie Paterson
232]Mark Johnson
233]Cocoa Kid
234]Arizmendi
235]Young Jack Thompson
236]Klaus
237]Tancey Lee
238]Sun Kil Moon
239]Jeffra
240]Chionoi
241]Salica
242]Marcias
243]Bass
244]Jackie Fields
245]Tiger Fox
246]Davey Moore
247]Curry
248]Dixie Kidd
249]Zamora
250]Mcvea
251]Bushy Graham
252]Burruni
253]Carlos De Leon
254]Halimi
255]Norton
256]Jack Root
257]Young Stribbling
258]Petrolle
259]Billy Smith
260]Dado
261]Carter
262]O'Dowd
263]Wajima
264]Chase
265]Hatton
266]Monaghan
267]Gilberto Roman
268]Saxton
269]Escalera
270]McGirt
271]Tszyu
272]Carlos Hernandez
273]Canizales
274]Goldstein
275]Black Bill
276]Rocky Kansas
277]Frankie Fleming
278]Cochrane
279]Zaragoza
280]Yarosz
281]Myung-woo Yuh
282]Lockridge
283]Legra
284]Pladner
285]Berlenbach
286]Ebihara
287]Carattoli
288]Palamino
289]Marcel
290]Valdez
291]Olson
292]Montanez
293]Elky Clark
294]Watanabe
295]Rafael Marquez
296]Mando Ramos
297]Zapata
298]Rose
299]Ceferino Garcia
300]Britt
301]L.Espinosa
302]Jeff Clark
303]Hart
304]Jose Torres
305]Jeff Harding
306]Herrera
307]Kalambay
308]Joyce
309]Borkhorsov
310]Castro
311]Lora
312]Coker
313]Brian Mitchell
314]Lou Bogash
315]Siki
316]Sugar Ramos
317]Betulio Gonzalez
318]Cuevas
319]Efren Torres
320]Coggi
321]Carlos Teo Cruz
322]Starling
323]Rosario
324]Kobayashi
325]Johnny Nelson
326]Ramey
327]Castillo
328]Bassett
329]Meldrick Taylor
330]Gerald McClellan
331]Kid Aztec
332]Thil
333]Mazzinghi
334]Frankie Randall
335]Kalule
336]Day
337]McCrory
338]Ishimatsu
339]Sarron
340]Junior Jones
341]Aspostoli
342]Lora
343]Willard
344]Farr
345]Newsboy Brown
346]Ottke
347]Freitas
348]Famechon
349]Alvarez
350]Brouilard
351]Miske
352]Austin
353]Sharmba Mitchell
354]Wonjongkam
355]Tokuyama
356]Tod Morgan
357]Villaflor
358]Niida
359]Morel
360]MA Gonzalez
361]Cory Spinks
362]Aguirre
363]Salavarria
364]Sorjaturong
365]Wlad Klitschko
366]Pastrano
367]Milton McCrory
368]Toweel
369]kawashima
370]Larios
371]Vargas
372]Bungu
373]Pender
374]Baxton
375]McKinney
376]Juan Diaz
377]Mugabi
378]Hasegawa
379]Serrano
380]Cohen
381]Orlin Norris
382]Jordan
383]Callahan
384]P.Jackson
385]Fujii
386]Shirai
387]James J Braddock
388]Jirov
389]Bramble
390]Davila
391]Marino
392]Shibata
393]Lujan
394]Paret
395]Chris John
396]Mamby
397]Kessler
398]Barkley
399]Pavlik
400]Jermain Taylor

The top 100 is in some sort of order,places 100-200 is difficult to categorize and places 200-400 is virtually impossible to rank in order. I admit the lower down the list the less effort has gone into ranking the boxers, if i am missing somebody or i have a 'doubler' or there a rankings that are clearly wrong, let me know and i will change them, all comments welcome.
Resources used was Box Rec, the International Boxing Research Organization lists and Rings annual rankings lists, to try and minimise the chance of leaving boxers off the list that belong on it.

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 20 Feb 2009, 12:56
by Ezzard
I applaud your effort.

One glance and the biggest thing to me was McGuigan being above Pedroza and Fenech...

I'd place Monzon above Hagler...

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 20 Feb 2009, 12:57
by HomicideHenry
I dont agree with any heavyweight being inside the top 10.

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 20 Feb 2009, 14:27
by Adamj1987
i dont agree with pavlik and jermain taylor being on the list

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 20 Feb 2009, 14:56
by hitman09
HomicideHenry wrote:I dont agree with any heavyweight being inside the top 10.
Why?

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 20 Feb 2009, 16:48
by harrygreb
kilbane twice - why is pavlik in this list? maybe in the next 400...maybe.
where the f... is al tribuani? what about al bummy davis -probably the most destructive left hand in boxing history? you can only do this kind of thing - and i respect you for trying - if your knowledge is encylopeadic (and then some) some of the guys who should be in the top 400 are not known to even really good historians of our sport. worth a look though

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 20 Feb 2009, 16:50
by dempseyfire
Applaud the effort . . . but I'm getting a headache trying to examine this list. :o :D

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 03:34
by jaclem2
..one very quick thought after one very quick glance...i'd have saddler much higher and pryor much lower.

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 04:43
by jezzamundo
Well done on managing to compile such a list.

However, the list being the size that it is, there are obviously some bad choices.

The one that stands out to me is Lennox Lewis coming No39, Kostya Tszyu No271. To me these are two fighters whose accomplishments are just about equal, Lewis having a slight edge by rematching and defeating his two conquerors. Lewis (who is actually my favourite heavyweight) is too high, and Tszyu is too low.

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 06:00
by Syntax Error
Great efforts Trampie.

I honestly could not do such an exhaustive list, as I would find it very difficult to place who in what order. :TU:

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 09:49
by Martin Sosa Cameron
:bow:


I applaud your great effort, Trampie, and, of course, I can't to say you what is the number of each fighter in the ratings: it is absolutely subjective


:TU:

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 09:51
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
HomicideHenry wrote:I dont agree with any heavyweight being inside the top 10.
- P4p, yes, agreed, but great is great and heavies have the most storied legends like it or not.

That's what makes SRRobinson so great as he was the first little fella who got heavy publicity and fame.

What I find interesting is Wlad ranked 365th with only Olin Norris and JJBraddock below him. That simply ain't right. He's definitely made the top 20 heavies and arguably his brother too with his record setting performance against Peter. The list currently has at least 25 heavies ranked over him and at least a dozen or more lower weights who made notable forays into the heavy division.

Miske, Black Bill, Bivins, McVea, guys like that are no where near their class and accomplishments. Plug the brothers into any era and that's gonna be a major load on the era regardless of how storied it may be. They're already the best brothers in heavy history also by a long shot.

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 13:25
by dempseyfire
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:
HomicideHenry wrote:I dont agree with any heavyweight being inside the top 10.


What I find interesting is Wlad ranked 365th with only Olin Norris and JJBraddock below him. That simply ain't right. He's definitely made the top 20 heavies and arguably his brother too with his record setting performance against Peter. .

=.
:lol: :lol:

I'm not taking the bait troll, just finding this post my morning laugh-pill I've been looking for. Thanks!

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 22 Feb 2009, 18:07
by Djanders
Great first post, trampie. It took a lot of effort to come up with that list!

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 01:12
by JCS
53] Calzaghe
54] Hopkins
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just trying to help out of course. :TU:

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 01:18
by The Law
Great effort Trampie. Every list of this nature is purely subjective and many people will criticise it because it's impossible to have an identical opinion with everyone.

There are many parts within your list which I do not agree with. Yet I applaud your effort! :TU:

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 05:14
by Martin Sosa Cameron
lawllb wrote:Great effort Trampie. Every list of this nature is purely subjective and many people will criticise it because it's impossible to have an identical opinion with everyone.

There are many parts within your list which I do not agree with. Yet I applaud your effort! :TU:


Here is a very good boy!

Thanks



:TU:

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 15:50
by jaclem2
..yes, it is a great effort. the only thing i object to is the assumption that there ARE 400 all-time greats.

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 17:18
by belowthebelt
brilliant list, but i think you scuffed it up at the end with pavlik on it(i dont hate the kid i just think he is one dimensional and not proven yet)

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 24 Feb 2009, 14:44
by Ambling Alp
Tremendous effort. Obviously a lot of thought went into this. It took me awhile to thumb through it all and think about where fighters are ranked. As mentioned by others, no two people will have the same opinion on something this extensive. I am in basic agreement with where about 90% of the fighters were ranked.
Here is are the fighters which I feel are too low:(His rankings are in parenthesis)

Carlos Monzon (21)
Michael Spinks (52)
Vincente Saldivar (105)
George Foreman (114)
Joe Frazier (115)
Manny Pacquiao (119)
Nino Benvenuti (132)
Harold Johnson (140)
Eddie Booker (157)
Jimmy Bivins (158)
Gene Fullmer (172)
Ray Leonard (14)
Eusebio Pedroza (179)
Dwight Qawi (183)
Johnny Kilbane (196)
Sam McVey (250)
Ken Norton (255)
Rodrigo Valdez (290)
Paul Pender (313)
Sugar Ramos (316)
Peter Jackson (384)

Too high:
Charley Burley (30)
Stanley Ketchel (28)
Roy Jones Jr. (33)
Joe Calzaghe (53)
Harry Wills (55)
Jack Blackburn (87)
Felix Trinidad (98)
Ken Buchanan (99)
Ismael Laguna (100)
Roberto Duran (5)
Esteban DeJesus (140)
Johnny Buff (136)
Jeff Chandler (138)
Joey Archer (182)
Naseem Hamed (183)
Ricky Hatton (256)
Chalky Wright (223)
Black Bill
Jess Willard (343)
Orlin Norris (381)

I would cut out Hatton, Black Bill, Orlin Norris, and Jess Willard entirely.

Fighters who were left out completely that certainly should be in there: Marvin Johnson, Bobby Chacon, Cornileus Boza-Edwards, Rafael Limon, and Mike McTigue. Musthapha Muhammad should be in the top 200.
Maybe I missed them because the list was so long.

I hope this doesn't sound over critical. Again, I agree with almost 90% of the list. I also agree that the farther out you get, the harder it is to rank fighters. There isn't much difference between #200 and #225.

I liked some picks of guys you don't hear much about like Peter Kane,(120) and Luis Rodriguez.(59)

Again great list. :TU:

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 07 Jan 2010, 14:25
by dillingham
Congratulations on compiling a fascinating list. Every boxing fan on the planet would have different ideas. Iv'e been following the fight game since Louis v Farr, but I could never have attempted anything like this. Brilliant selection.

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 07 Jan 2010, 14:53
by jimglen
harrygreb wrote:you can only do this kind of thing - and i respect you for trying - if your knowledge is encylopeadic (and then some) some of the guys who should be in the top 400 are not known to even really good historians of our sport. worth a look though
I applaud the effort - but this IS actually IMPOSSIBLE... too many great fighters, known and unknown as harrygreb stated and further proof can be found in the many mentioned who aren't even the best in their own countries never mind all-time!

but good effort.

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 07 Jan 2010, 21:06
by Martin Sosa Cameron
:wink:

Where is now this great boy, Trampie? Posted only once in a year or had another nick?




:TU:

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 02:32
by SaadOffTheDeck
These lists are brutally difficult and I just did a quick skim, but Winky on top of this group made me cringe.

142]Winky Wright
143]Mosley
144]Morales
145]Blackburn
146]Griffo
147]H.Gonzalez
148]Kid Berg
149]Azumah Nelson
150]Mandell
151]Escobar
152]Freddie Steele

Re: Top 400 All Time Greats

Posted: 08 Jan 2010, 03:38
by dajuggernaut
Plan to move Pacquiao up from 119? :)