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After seeing bradley pryce who I hope is ok I thought it should have been stopped after 2nd knock down.
The third punch was a killer he looked out of it...
Aswell as that enzo mac got ko'd down with a sweet right that I think was better than the haye stoppage....enzo gets the baddest jelly legs.....
There have been a few fights that have had heavy ko's at the end look at diaz too he was nailed after marquez fight.
Do fights go on too long? Have ufc got it right with stoppin it after a knock down (I know its different) but do we let fighters take too much? I mean benn fight should have been stopped against gerald mc but if it was we would not have seen the story book comeback but maybe gerald wouldn't be messed up now....the same with watson.
I love boxin but hate nothin more than seeing a punch drunk boxer...its sad....I watch ufc and some of them guys get major knock outs but none of them are punch drunk all they have are dodgy ears...

What do u think? And name some bad boxin kos or fights that should have been stopped.....most of them will prob be joe cortez fights.

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McCullough v Scot Harrison should have been stopped.

DavidPayne wrote:McCullough v Scot Harrison should have been stopped.

Yeah, that was a bad one.

JPS's original post was good and shows what an inexact science it is. Benn-McClellan is a perfect example.

And how about Carl Thompson v Sebastien Rothmann? Even allowing for Carl's well-known ability to rally, I was shouting at the TV for the ref to stop the fight as Thompson's was getting hammered on the ropes... two or three seconds later, Rothmann was face-down on the canvas.

roberto duran vs davey moore should have got stopped earlier than it did.
larry holmes vs marvis frazier, even though it went 1 round.
roy jones vs bryan brannon, he was pulverizing brannon and even the tv commentators were calling out to referee Alan Sugar to stop it earlier than he did.

Perhaps the worst of all time was Tommy Morrison against Ray Mercer, which was frightening.

I see this happening all the time though, but I probably shy too much on the early stoppage side of the debate.

One example was Antonio Margarito against Mosley. In my view, he took ten or so flush right hands too many there. At the end of the penultimate round, he was totally out of it, but they sent him back out on still unsteady legs. He'd taken a pounding for much of the fight, and against a man with as sound a chin as Mosley, Margarito didn't really have the one punch KO power to justify continuing in my view. But the guy’s a warrior, so they give him every chance, but Mosley, knowing not much is coming back, is really loading up on his punches, and turning his shoulders and hips right through them, and landed at least eight flush. But I didn't see much criticism of that, so I guess I'm just a softie.

But I’d far rather be safe than sorry.

Carbo wrote:Perhaps the worst of all time was Tommy Morrison against Ray Mercer, which was frightening.

I see this happening all the time though, but I probably shy too much on the early stoppage side of the debate.

One example was Antonio Margarito against Mosley. In my view, he took ten or so flush right hands too many there. At the end of the penultimate round, he was totally out of it, but they sent him back out on still unsteady legs. He'd taken a pounding for much of the fight, and against a man with as sound a chin as Mosley, Margarito didn't really have the one punch KO power to justify continuing in my view. But the guy’s a warrior, so they give him every chance, but Mosley, knowing not much is coming back, is really loading up on his punches, and turning his shoulders and hips right through them, and landed at least eight flush. But I didn't see much criticism of that, so I guess I'm just a softie.

But I’d far rather be safe than sorry.

I watched that in a bar and quite a few people were calling it well before the ref.

oliverfennell wrote:

Carbo wrote:Perhaps the worst of all time was Tommy Morrison against Ray Mercer, which was frightening.

I see this happening all the time though, but I probably shy too much on the early stoppage side of the debate.

One example was Antonio Margarito against Mosley. In my view, he took ten or so flush right hands too many there. At the end of the penultimate round, he was totally out of it, but they sent him back out on still unsteady legs. He'd taken a pounding for much of the fight, and against a man with as sound a chin as Mosley, Margarito didn't really have the one punch KO power to justify continuing in my view. But the guy’s a warrior, so they give him every chance, but Mosley, knowing not much is coming back, is really loading up on his punches, and turning his shoulders and hips right through them, and landed at least eight flush. But I didn't see much criticism of that, so I guess I'm just a softie.

But I’d far rather be safe than sorry.

I watched that in a bar and quite a few people were calling it well before the ref.

I watched it after the event via the information super-webosphere tube and thought it was a bit uncomfortable to watch, to be honest. I'm a little preoccupied with the world economy at the moment and haven't been quite as assiduous as old reading all the reports for every fight, but I didn't get much feeling that there was an outcry about it being a late stoppage. That said, it was probably lost in the hullabaloo of handwrap-gate.

Anyway, that was a late one, in my view.

Lloyd Honeyghan stopped himself from punching on Gene Hatcher, he saw the guy was out and held back the follow up, just as well the ref was miles away

I know this is coming from a slightly different angle, but has anyone seen a World Title fight allow to go on with the cuts suffered by Hatton against Thaxton ?
Anywhere else .........................
Made all the more bitter for Thaxton when he got stopped with a minor cut against Rowland just a year earlier.

DavidPayne wrote:McCullough v Scot Harrison should have been stopped.

yeah, I think Wayne had to go to hospital after that.

It was a "beat down" - Wayne was so brave and strong

sligobhoy67 wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:McCullough v Scot Harrison should have been stopped.

yeah, I think Wayne had to go to hospital after that.

It was a "beat down" - Wayne was so brave and strong

McCullough did have to go to hospital, but he was suffering with a virus leading up to the fight and during it(which caused his heart rate to rise to dangerous levels during the fight) and combined with this suffered dehydration, which kept him in hospital for a while. He also had an injury to his ear suffered from the bout which required medical attention, but that was the least of his troubles.

junior pepa seed wrote: I mean benn fight should have been stopped against gerald mc but if it was we would not have seen the story book comeback but maybe gerald wouldn't be messed up now....

There was no point in the fight, as I remember it, when Gerald should have been stopped- no-one obviously saw such a serious injury coming.

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Another example of Hindsight is the Paul Ingle injury, Johnny Owen, etc. Looking at the footage we can now say "Well, clearly at this point..." but the reality is its not always that easy to make a decision at the time.

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Sorry, I editted out the bit you replied to- didn't do that on purpose! I just thought my point sounded a bit confused.

But yeah, allowing Benn to continue WAS a valid decision, Benn himself was still capable of fighting on.

A really sad one, Leavander Johnson-Jesus Chavez, Johnson was not exactly stumbling all over the ring but he was taking a sustained beating. I remember thinking they should stop the fight a few rounds before the 11th.

Sometimes it is impossible to tell the extent of an injury- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lEX6u6Dui0 , as only the boxer knows how he feels.

misd 669 wrote: larry holmes vs marvis frazier, even though it went 1 round.

That one shouldha been stopped the day they first talked about making the match.

The majority of fights are stopped too early rather than late.

Boxing, especially at Championship level is a contest between two paid proffesionals who know the risks involved. What the hell did Manfredo do to earn his coin the night that fight was stopped againts Calzaghe????

If you read Chris Eubanks book he says that a boxer should "Take his beating". There is some truth in that.

A footballer should not walk of the pitch after 60 mins because his team are losing. You tough it out.

I don`t want to see any boxer get injured, far from it. However, walk into an arena in Mexico and tell me how many of those fights are stopped early, then ask yourself why are their soi many mexican champions, legends and genuine hard boxers.

I think fights in this country get stopped to early, but I'm of the opinion that a fighter should be given every chance to win, even when it looks like he won't/can't. At the end of the day boxing is a blood sport. People who try yo romanticise it as the sweet science are just full of s**t in my opinion. There is nothing sweet about what goes on in a boxing ring. It's about two men going in there and punching each other and that's not a short sighted or ignorant view either.

Obviously journeyman fighters don't need to take unnesessary punishment, but at championship level you've got to give fighters every chance to carry on even when they getting beaten up. That's just the reality of boxing in my view.

Neri wrote:A really sad one, Leavander Johnson-Jesus Chavez, Johnson was not exactly stumbling all over the ring but he was taking a sustained beating. I remember thinking they should stop the fight a few rounds before the 11th.

A really sad one. Johnson was getting beaten up but he kept firing back and landing shots. Chavez was always going to be the only winner and Johnson was going to only take more damage but how can a ref stop the fight when Johnson is still fighting.

Sort of fight that stops you watching boxing for a while

Biggest problem with boxing is that hindsight is a wonderful thing, we can see a fighter get beaten up and a couple of hours after the fight is done and dusted the guy collapses and ends up with serious brain injury or worse and then everyone says how the fight should have been stopped but at the time the fight was happening no body was saying it. I'm like anyone else I don't want to see a fighter hurt or killed but I accept boxing is a dangerous sport where serious injuries are possible.

Right up there with Mercer/Morrison was Gerry Cooney v Ken Norton, just check this, it doesn't get much worse -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oV6etPHi2A

There is a fight with Beau Jack as the receipient where the fighter stops and ask the ref to intervene who doesn't and he gets another half dozen full blown shots.

Similar to Cooney v Norton for brutality it was on a KO compilation on You Tube. Sickening.

ArtOfWar wrote:I think fights in this country get stopped to early, but I'm of the opinion that a fighter should be given every chance to win, even when it looks like he won't/can't. At the end of the day boxing is a blood sport. People who try yo romanticise it as the sweet science are just full of s**t in my opinion. There is nothing sweet about what goes on in a boxing ring. It's about two men going in there and punching each other and that's JUST MY short sighted or ignorant view .
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Spoken like a true ben sherman wearing reebok classic stella artois type of guy. This is why boxing gets a bad name because people like you get interviewed by the media and it all seems stuck in the dark ages.
Maybe we could put spikes on gloves to make it better for you.?

I have read your posts before and agreed with some of them but not this one but fornicate it that's your opinion.....so maybe I m wrong....or maybe you are.

Yeah boxing is a blood sport BUT there is skill and dedication in it if you wanna be the best and not some fly by night, there's a skill in learning your craft switching your styles and knowning when to bob and throw a left hook when a guys teeing up a left jab. When to fight at distance because the guy your fighting will maul the shit out of you on the inside..

Yeah fighters should be given a chance off course but why let a guy be a punch bag and ruin his life when he could be saved to fight another day?

DavidPayne wrote:There is a fight with Beau Jack as the receipient where the fighter stops and ask the ref to intervene who doesn't and he gets another half dozen full blown shots.

Similar to Cooney v Norton for brutality it was on a KO compilation on You Tube. Sickening.

I think this was his first fight against Ike Williams. He took one hell of a shelacking in that fight. Williams stopped punching, asked the ref to stop it, then whacked him a few more times before the ref finally stepped in. Jack had over 20 fights after that beating.

I saw him interviewed once where he said that if he came home crying because he had been in a fight, his granmother would "whup his ass". He siad she told him that if he was in a fight again "he would not run, he would stand and fight til the blood was dripping to his shoes". A real tough man. Hard as nails.

forcefraser wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:There is a fight with Beau Jack as the receipient where the fighter stops and ask the ref to intervene who doesn't and he gets another half dozen full blown shots.

Similar to Cooney v Norton for brutality it was on a KO compilation on You Tube. Sickening.

I think this was his first fight against Ike Williams. He took one hell of a shelacking in that fight. Williams stopped punching, asked the ref to stop it, then whacked him a few more times before the ref finally stepped in. Jack had over 20 fights after that beating.

I saw him interviewed once where he said that if he came home crying because he had been in a fight, his granmother would "whup his ass". He siad she told him that if he was in a fight again "he would not run, he would stand and fight til the blood was dripping to his shoes". A real tough man. Hard as nails.

I’ve seen that one, very nasty.

The McCullough vs Harrison fight was sickeningly one sided.

Ingle got a slow beat down against Botile.

Thomas & Biggs where too durable for there own good against Tyson.

Vitali really, really hammered Williams.

Davey Moore got ruined by Duran in the Garden.

Dokes, Morrison & Norton where all the victims of brutal knockouts when the ref was slow to intervene.

Two more massacres that jump to mind – MAB vs Paul Lloyd & Calazaghe vs Pudwill, brutal.