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I'm after your suggestions for big punchers (any weight and era) that don't have good knockout ratios.

To start this off I'm going to nominate Joe Choynski with a ko percentage of just 39.29%.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... r&pageID=1

He only weighed around 170 lbs but fought and beat heavyweights. Some big names included a 20 round draw with James J. Jeffries (who later claimed Choynski hit him harder than anyone else) and a 3 round KO win over Jack Johnson in 1901. He also held Bob Fitzsimmons, Tom Sharkey and Marvin Hart to draws as well as fighting James J. Corbett three times.

In fact Jack Johnson was quoted as saying "Jeffries had a solid wallop and Fitzsimmons could knock your head off but that man Choynski could paralyze you even when he didn't catch you flush. In my opinion, he was the hardest hitter, pound for pound, of the last 50 years ... I think his left hook was much more effective than either Dempsey's or Louis's"



Who is the next nomination?

Controversial wrote: Who is the next nomination?

- Dick Tiger. From all accounts he was a ferocious puncher, but his KO ratio is only 33%, maybe in part to such stiff comp in the latter half of his career.

Hurricane Carter finished off 50% of his first 24 opponents within 3 rds. He fell out with his stupendous training regimen into a thug's life and racks up most of his losses after his sole title fight, a loss to Giardello that he seems to think he was robbed in. 6 of his 7 wins after the title fight are by KO which helps maintain his KO% near 48%, but he never beat another top level fighter. His early comp was much stronger.

Ezzy Charles only a 44% ratio, but he could really crack at LH and below and KOed his fair share of heavies. When you consider the level of competition he was fighting, a very underrated puncher part of the boxer/puncher equation.

Also, Corrie Sanders just below 70% which ain't shabby, but halfway decently trained, he was the deadliest early round KO artist I've seen since Tyson in the BigBoy division. He's the only guy I've seen rock Vitali, and of course he's the only guy who genuinely KOed Wlad with punches.

The Sanders pick . . . Just look at his KO vs C-graders . . .he nails them flush tons of times before the ref finally steps in. And unless Rahman for one night obtained a granite jaw, he showed how Corrie's power didn't carry to the world class level. Besides vs glass-jawed Wladimir.

But on the mark with Tiger, a perfect example. Very strong hitter. I'd also add in Lloyd Marshall.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:

Controversial wrote: Who is the next nomination?

Also, Corrie Sanders just below 70% which ain't shabby, but halfway decently trained, he was the deadliest early round KO artist I've seen since Tyson in the BigBoy division. He's the only guy I've seen rock Vitali, and of course he's the only guy who genuinely KOed Wlad with punches.

A 70% ko ratio is high. With 18 first round wins and 31 of 42 of his wins by stoppage I don't think he falls into the poor knockout ratio category. Good call on the others though.

In the ameuters Tommy Hearns only had 7 or 8 KOs to his name

Chris Eubank could take almost anybody out - or at least badly hurt them - but his KO ratio was massively reduced by a post-Watson reluctance to finish opponents.

What about Jack Sharkey?

Floyd 'Jumbo' Cummings. He could hit as hard as anyone else in the division, but his record of 15-6-1 (13) indicates a kayo ratio of under 60%. Cummings, for all intents and purposes, despite his massive muscles, just didn't have the fluid motion it took to pull the trigger more often. His frame, though it benefited him, was also the reason behind his low kayo percentage, he just couldnt move fast enough.

HomicideHenry wrote:Floyd 'Jumbo' Cummings. He could hit as hard as anyone else in the division, but his record of 15-6-1 (13) indicates a kayo ratio of under 60%. Cummings, for all intents and purposes, despite his massive muscles, just didn't have the fluid motion it took to pull the trigger more often. His frame, though it benefited him, was also the reason behind his low kayo percentage, he just couldnt move fast enough.

I think Floyd's problem was he just struggled against the better fighters he fought and with only one win in his last 8 fights this brought his ko ratio way down. Before losing to Snipes, Cummings was 14-0 (12 kos) which showed he could bang.

I remember him knocking Bruno scatty in round 3 of their fight, which was Cummings last fight. 30 seconds earlier and he would have stopped Bruno because Bruno was out on his feet. Luckily for Bruno it was in the last few seconds of the round and the bell saved him.

Cummings record, in all fairness, is a bit misleading, at least with one fight, and that was against Frazier. Frazier got a gift draw, and really, had the referee not been so forgiving to Joe, Cummings should have gotten a TKO victory over him, because the referee asked Joe if he wanted to continue on when it was apparent he had nothing left. Had it been someone else being the third man in the ring, its clear, least to me, Frazier would have gotten a TKO loss and Cummings kayo percentage would be over 60%.