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Let's forget about the alphabets for a moment and create our own list, or lists, of who the real World champions are (no vacancies!). Here's a starting point:

Heavyweight - Wladimir Klitschko
Cruiserweight - Tomasz Adamek
Light Heavyweight - Chad Dawson
Super Middleweight - Mikkel Kessler
Middleweight - Kelly Pavlik
Light Middleweight - Paul Williams
Welterweight - Shane Mosley
Light Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super Featherweight - Humberto Soto
Featherweight - Chris John
Super Bantamweight - Israel Vazquez
Bantamweight - Hozumi Hasegawa
Super Flyweight - Vic Darchinyan
Flyweight - Nonito Donaire
Light Flyweight - Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight - Roman Gonzalez

I don't really know much about the lowest weights. Since Manny Pacquiao fought at welterweight last and hasn't yet fought at light welter, I've got him floating around divisionless. He's fighting next month so it's not a problem.

Bradley takes over at Lt Welter.

He beat a live one in Witter and Holt.

Hatton veat KT 109 years ago and has done what since? Beat PM?

sg1985 wrote:bernard hopkins still number 1 at light heavy?

Don't just question it. Offer a new boxer and say why. I can only assume you think Chad Dawson should take the reigns, perhaps because Hopkins lost to Calzaghe. Fair enough, but put a bit of effort into it.

sg1985 wrote:

Asterix wrote:

sg1985 wrote:bernard hopkins still number 1 at light heavy?

Don't just question it. Offer a new boxer and say why. I can only assume you think Chad Dawson should take the reigns, perhaps because Hopkins lost to Calzaghe. Fair enough, but put a bit of effort into it.

hahaha, ok. well i dont know, i think its vacant isn't it. it is in my book. hopkins lost it and no-one has fought for it since. maybe dawson-tarver. but i dont think hopkins win over pavlik should make him lineal lhw champion.

This topic has nothing to do with the flawed lineal championship. I'm simply asking, who do you regard as the champion in each division? There are no vacancies.

Heavyweight - Vacant
Cruiserweight - Tomasz Adamek
Light Heavyweight - Vacant
Super Middleweight - Mikkel Kessler
Middleweight - Kelly Pavlik
Light Middleweight - Vacant
Welterweight - Shane Mosley
Light Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super Featherweight - Vacant
Featherweight - Chris John
Super Bantamweight - Israel Vazquez
Bantamweight - Hozumi Hasegawa?
Super Flyweight - Vic Darchinyan
Flyweight - Nonito Donaire
Light Flyweight - Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight - ?

I never really understood how to find the linear champ . Can someone explain?
Ive heard people saying that callebro is the champ at sbw

metropol wrote:I never really understood how to find the linear champ . Can someone explain?
Ive heard people saying that callebro is the champ at sbw

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe the current method is to look at The Ring's ratings: http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/ (bottom-right it says "CURRENT TITLEHOLDERS").

Heavyweight - Vacant
Cruiserweight - Tomasz Adamek
Light Heavyweight - Vacant
Super Middleweight - Vacant
Middleweight - Kelly Pavlik
Light Middleweight - Vacant
Welterweight - Shane Mosley
Light Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super Featherweight - Vacant
Featherweight - Vacant
Super Bantamweight - Israel Vazquez
Bantamweight - Vacant
Super Flyweight - Vic Darchinyan
Flyweight - Vacant
Light Flyweight - Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight - Vacant

This List is more realistic

Heavyweight - Vacant (Klitchsko or Klitchsko).
Cruiser - Adameck
Light Heavyweight - Dawson
Super Middleweight - Vacant
Middleweight - Pavlik
Light Middleweight - Winky (for the moment)
Welterweight - Mosley
Light Welterweight - Hatton
Lightweight - Vacant (for the moment) - depending on Pacquiao situation post Hatton, he stays at 140 then it is Marquez, he moves back down it is vacant between him and Marquez.
Super Featherweight -
Super Feather - Vacant... Soto or Linares
Featherweight - Chris John
Super Bantamweight - Vasquez - but could be Caballero.
Bantamweight - Vacant
Super Flyweight - Darchinyan
Flyweight - Donaire
Light Flyweight - Calderon
Minimum - Vacant (3 newish champions all undefeated).

metropol wrote:I never really understood how to find the linear champ . Can someone explain?
Ive heard people saying that callebro is the champ at sbw

Basically it is just traced back to the days when there was only one champ per division, so you can follow the path by seeing who was the man who beat the man, who beat the man........

And i think where a champion vacates or changes divisions the linear title is vacant until the number 1 and 2 in that division meet.

I've amended the original post to make it more obvious that I'm calling for full lists, not lists with vacancies. Basically, if you had to name a champion for each division, who would it be?

WestEndRiot wrote:

metropol wrote:I never really understood how to find the linear champ . Can someone explain?
Ive heard people saying that callebro is the champ at sbw

Basically it is just traced back to the days when there was only one champ per division, so you can follow the path by seeing who was the man who beat the man, who beat the man........

And i think where a champion vacates or changes divisions the linear title is vacant until the number 1 and 2 in that division meet.

Which most recently happened when Adamek and Cunningham fought.

There are only 8 TRUE World Champions

Cruiserweight - Tomasz Adamek
Middleweight - Kelly Pavlik
Welterweight - Shane Mosley
Light Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super Bantamweight - Israel Vazquez
Super Flyweight - Vic Darchinyan
Light Flyweight - Ivan Calderon

The other 9 Divisions have yet to have a Dominant champion who could claim to be a Real Champion and best in their Division

Heavyweight - Vacant
Light Heavyweight - Vacant
Super Middleweight - Vacant
Light Middleweight - Vacant
Super Featherweight - Vacant
Featherweight - Vacant
Bantamweight - Vacant
Flyweight - Vacant
Minimumweight - Vacant

Asterix wrote:I've amended the original post to make it more obvious that I'm calling for full lists, not lists with vacancies. Basically, if you had to name a champion for each division, who would it be?

The only ones from you list that I think could possibly be challenged are
Vitali instad of Wladimir
Dawson instead of Hopkins
Cotto instead of Mosley
and I'm not sure who is best at Light Middle, I like Martinez or perhaps the winner of Kirkland Dzinziruk, I don't personally think Forrest has doen a great deal of late to deserve it.

Bar those I don't you could really argue with the other 'champions'.

Asterix wrote:Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe the current method is to look at The Ring's ratings: http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/ (bottom-right it says "CURRENT TITLEHOLDERS").

I wouldn't say that the Ring champions are always the lineal champions.

Cyberboxingzone's list of lineal champions is more accurate, although they don't often update their site.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/champ.htm

Heavyweight - Wladimir Klitschko
Cruiserweight - Tomasz Adamek
Light Heavy - Bernard Hopkins
Super Middle - Mikkel Kessler
Middleweight - Kelly Pavlik
Light Middle - Paul Williams
Welterweight - Sugar Shane Mosley
Light Welter - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super feather - Humberto Soto
Featherweight - Chris John
Super Bantam - Israel Vasquez
Bantamweight - Hozumi Hasegawa
Super Fly - Vic Darchinyan
Flyweight - Nonito Donaire
Light Fly - Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight - Roman Gonzalez

Probably pretty simlar to most of the others. I must admit i'm not as clued up about the bottom couple of divisions and had to consult the rankings to see who had the best record on paper. And i think Pac man is the only big omission, but he's been all over the weights in recent fights so its impossible to pin him down. Beating Hatton will put him top of the LWW's.

Asterix wrote:I've amended the original post to make it more obvious that I'm calling for full lists, not lists with vacancies. Basically, if you had to name a champion for each division, who would it be?

ah okay... well my edits then

Super Middle - mmm tough one, I'd be tempted to go for Bute cause he a champion when Kessler fought Joe - so Kessler lost and Bute remained a "champion".

Lightweight - Marquez

Super Feather - Soto.

Bantam - Montiel.

Minimum - Sorry, couldn't answer.

Asterix wrote:(no vacancies!).

WestEndRiot wrote:

metropol wrote:I never really understood how to find the linear champ . Can someone explain?
Ive heard people saying that callebro is the champ at sbw

Basically it is just traced back to the days when there was only one champ per division, so you can follow the path by seeing who was the man who beat the man, who beat the man........

And i think where a champion vacates or changes divisions the linear title is vacant until the number 1 and 2 in that division meet.

I was sort of thinking that , but when the champ vacates who rates the 1 and 2 . The ring?

my personal opinion of best in each division regardless of titles held
Heavyweight - David Haye
Cruiserweight - Tomasz Adamek
Light Heavy - Chad Dawson
Super Middle - Mikkel Kessler / But im a Froch fan
Middleweight - Kelly Pavlik
Light Middle - James Kirkland
Welterweight - Mosley / Cotto - Undecided
Light Welter - Ricky Hatton / Pac man (soon to be decided ) then winner loses to floyd mayweather later in year
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super feather - Humberto Soto
Featherweight - Chris John
Super Bantam - Israel Vasquez
Bantamweight - Unsure
Super Fly - Vic Darchinyan
Flyweight - Dunno
Light Fly - Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight - Dunno again

metropol wrote:

WestEndRiot wrote:

metropol wrote:I never really understood how to find the linear champ . Can someone explain?
Ive heard people saying that callebro is the champ at sbw

Basically it is just traced back to the days when there was only one champ per division, so you can follow the path by seeing who was the man who beat the man, who beat the man........

And i think where a champion vacates or changes divisions the linear title is vacant until the number 1 and 2 in that division meet.

I was sort of thinking that , but when the champ vacates who rates the 1 and 2 . The ring?

I believe so. Their panel, of which Boxrec user Claude is a member. You can see the Rating Panel members' here: http://www.ringtv.com/about/

Asterix wrote:I've amended the original post to make it more obvious that I'm calling for full lists, not lists with vacancies. Basically, if you had to name a champion for each division, who would it be?

Okay then, for the vacant ones, I've chosen the best fighter in that division IMO
Heavyweight - Vitaly Klitschko
Cruiserweight - Tomasz Adamek
Light Heavyweight - Bernard Hopkins
Super Middleweight - Mikkel Kessler
Middleweight - Kelly Pavlik
Light Middleweight - Vernon Forrest
Welterweight - Shane Mosley
Light Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super Featherweight - Humberto Soto
Featherweight - Chris John
Super Bantamweight - Israel Vazquez
Bantamweight - Hozumi Hasegawa
Super Flyweight - Vic Darchinyan
Flyweight - Nonito Donaire
Light Flyweight - Ivan Calderon
Minimumweight - Raul Garcia