Top 100 ATG - My Personal List

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This is my personal list of top 100 All Time Great Boxers.

This is my personal list of top 100 All Time Great Boxers.

This is my personal list of top 100 All Time Great Boxers.
personally i use this criteria:

80% accomplishment and historical significance - this
invloves fights with the fellow all-time greats, titles
held, punching power and boxing skills displayed, dominance and
longetivity.

20% timeliness and contribution to the growth of the sport- this also includes mainstream popularity.
Tyson is great but his legacy suffers because it can not
stand the test of time. Monzon's longetivity is matched
by hopkins thus monzon's rankings would go
down. henry armstrong legacy of jumping in weight in a year
is unmatched of more than 50 years...thats so long and he
deserves to be in the top 2 ATG.


This is my personal list of top 100 All Time Great Boxers.


1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Sam Langford
5. Harry Greb
6. Joe Louis
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Willie Pep
9. Roberto Duran
10. Archie Moore

11. Benny Leonard
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Bob Fitzsimmons
15. Joe Gans
16. Carlos Monzon
17. Barney Ross
18. Jack Johnson
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Jimmy Wilde

21. Mickey Walker
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Alexis Arguello
26. Rocky Marciano
27. Gene Tunney
28. Roy Jones Jr
29. Lennox Lewis
30. Evander Holyfield

31. Bernard Hopkins
32. Barbados Joe Walcott
33. Eder Jofre
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Emile Griffith
36. Jack Dempsey
37. Charley Burley
38. Kid Gavilan
39. Salvador Sanchez
40. Ike Williams


41. Larry Holmes
42. Floyd Mayweather Jr
43. Thomas Hearns
44. Jimmy McLarnin
45. Stanley Ketchel
46. Tommy Loughran
47. Michael Spinks
48. Ruben Olivares
49. Jose Napoles
50. Fighting Harada

51. Wilfredo Gomez
52. Carlos Ortiz
53. Dick Tiger
54. Panama Al Brown
55. Tiger Flowers
56. Kid Chocolate
57. Bob Foster
58. Billy Conn
59. George Foreman
60. Joe Frazier

61. Aaron Pryor
62. Jake LaMotta
63. Abe Attel
64. Carmen Basilio
65. Manuel Ortiz
66. Terry McGovern
67. Tommy Ryan
68. Ricardo Lopez
69. Jim Jeffries
70. Jack Britton

71. Ted Kid Lewis
72. Carlos Zarate
73. Wilfred Benitez
74. Oscar De La Hoya
75. Felix Trinidad
76. Shane Mosley
77. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
78. Pancho Villa
79. Azumah Nelson
80. Erik Morales

81. Juan Manuel Marquez
82. Mike Tyson
83. Pascual Perez
84. Marco Antonio Barrera
85. Joe Brown
86. Joe Calzaghe
87. Harry Wills
88. Miguel Canto
89. Marcel Cerdan
90. Flash Elorde

91. Holman Williams
92. John Dundee
93. Mike McCallum
94. Antonio Cervantes
95. Nicolino Locche
96. George Dixon
97. Sonny Liston
98. Packey McFarland
99. Khaosai Galaxy
100. Benny Lynch

101. Freddie Welsh
102. Jimmy Bivins
103. Harold Johnson
104. Bob Montgomery
105. Vicente Saldivar
106. Beau Jack
107. Maxie Rosenbloom
108. Gene Fullmer
109. Eusebio Pedroza
110. Lloyd Marshall

111. Lou Ambers
112. Battling Nelson
113. James Toney
114. Jim Driscoll
115. Jeff Fenech
116. Johnny Kilbane
117. Pete Herman
118. Kosta Tszyu
119. Freddie Miller
120. Nino Benvenuti

121. Georges Carpentier
122. Ken Buchanan
123. Duilio Loi
124. Winky Wright
125. Tommy Gibbons
126. Philidelphia Jack O'Brien
127. Jack Kid Berg
128. Non Pareil Jack Dempsey
129. Jack Blackburn
130. Johnny Tapia
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Wait,the guy who was one robbery away of tying Marciano's 50-0 record is ranked lower then Lewis?????????????
The record holder for middleweight defenses is ranked lower then Hagler??????????????
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RayLaw & a few others here will attest to my love for Pernell Whitaker, but Sweet Pea at number thirteen all-time really jumps out at me --- & I class him as the greatest Lightweight who ever lived (head-to-head basis), much to the chagrin of many here.

With that said, such a list is utterly impossible to compile without inciting fever-pitch debate. Well done, mate.
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Great list, I take out Hopkins, Pacquiao, Jones Jr, Harada and Mayweather Jr out of the top 50 and put the REAL GREATS like Joe Frazier, Panama Al Brown, Kid Chocolate and Dick Tiger in the top 50.
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Tszyu at 118 eh? May you suffer from painful anus rash. :wink:
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Hey GI....your favorite lightweight would be staring at the ceiling after running into my favorite lightweight who would pursue him and knock the fancy right out of his ring shorts. Don't get me wrong I like Sweet Pea a lot, but if he and Hands of Stone would have met at their primes in the lightweight divsion, he would find himself knocked off of his world famous balance.
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BoxBuzz wrote:Hey GI....your favorite lightweight would be staring at the ceiling after running into my favorite lightweight who would pursue him and knock the fancy right out of his ring shorts. Don't get me wrong I like Sweet Pea a lot, but if he and Hands of Stone would have met at their primes in the lightweight divsion, he would find himself knocked off of his world famous balance.
I place Duran in the same class as Ali & Robinson --- three fighters who will never live up to the hype, in spite of their own greatness. Duran is the most over-rated of all the truly great 135lbers. He loses to Whitaker, & to Leonard, too, for that matter.
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Trainer Monkey wrote:Wait,the guy who was one robbery away of tying Marciano's 50-0 record is ranked lower then Lewis?????????????
The record holder for middleweight defenses is ranked lower then Hagler??????????????
And so he should be lower than Hagler :TU:
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elmersalsa wrote:Great list, I take out Hopkins, Pacquiao, Jones Jr, Harada and Mayweather Jr out of the top 50 and put the REAL GREATS like Joe Frazier, Panama Al Brown, Kid Chocolate and Dick Tiger in the top 50.

dick tiger do not have longetivity, frazier should be ranked below foreman, al brown should be considerably lower than jofre and kid chocolate chocolate is in the same league as brown. i had brown and chocolate in the top 55.

hopkins and pacquiao is there for there timeliness. PBF is there for his overall ability.

i think 40% accomplishment, 40% overall ability and 20% timeliness is a good criteria
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BARNEYKX wrote:i thought Azumah Nelson should have been well up on the list,
sorry just had a relook see him at 80 thought he deserved better

i would like to see where would you put him. his draw to fenech hurts his ranking. that is almost a KO lost. had he won that win. i would put him in the top 60 in the same league as gomez and foreman. but im ok if he be in the top 70...i just feel that oscar, tito, benitez and mosley are more timeless because of their mainstream appeal
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One question asero: Why is mayweather ranked so high and Calzague so low in comparison to mayweather's ranking? Mayweather won paper championships on more weight classes but mainly fighting paper champs like Baldomir. there is no way that you could say that Mayweather was a real champion at 140, 147 or 154. Best win on those weight classes was probably Judah. At least Calzague has a win over a legit HOF fighter like Hopkins.
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Idisagree wrote:One question asero: Why is mayweather ranked so high and Calzague so low in comparison to mayweather's ranking? Mayweather won paper championships on more weight classes but mainly fighting paper champs like Baldomir. there is no way that you could say that Mayweather was a real champion at 140, 147 or 154. Best win on those weight classes was probably Judah. At least Calzague has a win over a legit HOF fighter like Hopkins.
calzaghe doesn't belong anywhere near this list. beating a 43 yr old bhop and an almost 40 yr old jones years after they were beaten by jermain taylor and antonio tarver doesn't make you an all-time great. mayweather is a great fighter and is in the lead to be fighter of the decade.

btw, baldomir was the ring magazine champ at welter when mayweather beat him.
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Idisagree wrote:One question asero: Why is mayweather ranked so high and Calzague so low in comparison to mayweather's ranking? Mayweather won paper championships on more weight classes but mainly fighting paper champs like Baldomir. there is no way that you could say that Mayweather was a real champion at 140, 147 or 154. Best win on those weight classes was probably Judah. At least Calzague has a win over a legit HOF fighter like Hopkins.

because i believe that PBF would beat arguello and chavez at any weight and would beat duran at any weight except 135...PBF's resume sucks but it is his overall ability is top great...that can not be said of calzaghe..even the top 10 MW ever can give up 5-8 pounds and beat calzaghe in his prime
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asero wrote: because i believe that PBF would beat arguello and chavez at any weight and would beat duran at any weight except 135...PBF's resume sucks but it is his overall ability is top great...that can not be said of calzaghe..even the top 10 MW ever can give up 5-8 pounds and beat calzaghe in his prime
- Oh dear, how dire is that, that Mr. Money is so great he got beat up in his prime by Castillo and his resume "sucks?"

Super Joe has chinks in his record as any fighter who has ever existed does, but at least he unified his title, something Mr. WBC Money never accomplished. He also had Mr. Popkins paying a 2 million dollar judgement to Dibella for ducking SuperJoe in their primes and made him quit in the ring when they finally did fight.

Rang up a superior numeric, undefeated, record with more title defenses and a perfect title record. Not to mention the first and only back to back concurrent Ring champ no matter who you think would beat him.

Read it and weep.
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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:
asero wrote: because i believe that PBF would beat arguello and chavez at any weight and would beat duran at any weight except 135...PBF's resume sucks but it is his overall ability is top great...that can not be said of calzaghe..even the top 10 MW ever can give up 5-8 pounds and beat calzaghe in his prime

Read it and weep.

Read it and laugh, more like.

Let's hear more about the fight between Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson, numpty.
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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:
- Oh dear, how dire is that, that Mr. Money is so great he got beat up in his prime by Castillo and his resume "sucks?"

Super Joe has chinks in his record as any fighter who has ever existed does, but at least he unified his title, something Mr. WBC Money never accomplished. He also had Mr. Popkins paying a 2 million dollar judgement to Dibella for ducking SuperJoe in their primes and made him quit in the ring when they finally did fight.

Rang up a superior numeric, undefeated, record with more title defenses and a perfect title record. Not to mention the first and only back to back concurrent Ring champ no matter who you think would beat him.

Read it and weep.
PBF was injured in castillo fight...that is not the 100% PBF we would used to compare him against other ATGs. PBF overall ability is highlight in the rematch with castillo. yes, his resume sucks that's why i have hopkins and pacquiao ahead of him but what ever he lacks in resume he makes up for it in his overall ability. same as lewis, his resume is not top 40 material but he is a monster head to head that's why he made it into top 30 in my list
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asero wrote: PBF was injured in castillo fight...that is not the 100% PBF we would used to compare him against other ATGs.
- Oh boo hoo hoo, cry me a river of gold for Mr. Money.

SuperJoe defended a quarter of his titles with a broken hand. Roy beat Mr. Popkins handily with one broken hand.

Nobody gave Ali and undeserved win against Norton when he substained a broken jaw. Abraham beat Miranda with completely shattered jaw, swallowing an estimated quart of blood. Jack Dempsey had a bad case of food poisoning on the eve of his defense against Tunney and lost his title in a rainstorm, a terrible day for him. Nobody handed him a victory for toughing it out.

KTzsyu went into the Mitchell rematch with a busted rib after almost 2 yrs of injury related inactivity, and KOed Sharmba post haste. Holmes a torn bicep halfway through the Norton title challenge. John Ruiz with a busted nose too many times to count.

Remember, we heard from you first, Mr. Money's resume "sucks."
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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:
- Oh boo hoo hoo, cry me a river of gold for Mr. Money.

SuperJoe defended a quarter of his titles with a broken hand. Roy beat Mr. Popkins handily with one broken hand.

Nobody gave Ali and undeserved win against Norton when he substained a broken jaw. Abraham beat Miranda with completely shattered jaw, swallowing an estimated quart of blood. Jack Dempsey had a bad case of food poisoning on the eve of his defense against Tunney and lost his title in a rainstorm, a terrible day for him. Nobody handed him a victory for toughing it out.

KTzsyu went into the Mitchell rematch with a busted rib after almost 2 yrs of injury related inactivity, and KOed Sharmba post haste. Holmes a torn bicep halfway through the Norton title challenge. John Ruiz with a busted nose too many times to count.

Remember, we heard from you first, Mr. Money's resume "sucks."

yes, his resume sucks but his ability is top notched.. calzaghe barely beat a past prime bernard hopkins who is not even top 5 in MW head to head..
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asero wrote:.. calzaghe barely beat a past prime bernard hopkins who is not even top 5 in MW head to head..
- Joe didn't retire on his fake laurels at age 30 in advance of the two largest purses in the history of boxing not named Oscar.

My sweet boy, neither Mr. Money nor Mr. Popkins have a single smidgeon of a better record. Nobody cares if you prefer them to him, just don't go telling porkies about SuperJoe's record to make your boys looks better.

T'ain't sporting, it ain't and makes your boys look bad when I have to drag them through the mud like when I pointed out Joe made Mr. Popkins quit in the ring to spoil being TKOed. At least Roy took his beating like a proper man.
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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: just don't go telling porkies about SuperJoe's record to make your boys looks better.

Thus spoke the hypocrite.

:D
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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: - Joe didn't retire on his fake laurels at age 30 in advance of the two largest purses in the history of boxing not named Oscar.
joe had his fake laurels for almost his entire career. he fought bums until he decided to take a chance against a 43 yr old bhop. then after slapping his way to a close decision he went after a shot jones because that's calzaghe's style. he's a complete fraud. froch is stepping up and taking dangerous fights unlike super jo"k"e. it's not even worth trying to match-up calzaghe in fantasy prime vs prime fights with truly great fighters. joe would have never stepped in the ring with any of them.
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bjermaine wrote:
joe had his fake laurels for almost his entire career. he fought bums until he decided to take a chance against a 43 yr old bhop.
- Hmmm, got a predilection for bum terminology, eh?

Brilliant stuff there, Joe fighting all bums until he met Top of the Marque Bum who exchanged his teeth for a mouth guard and then spent 1/3rd of the fight crawling about the ring like a baby looking for either his now forgotten teeth or misplaced marbles one presumes. A CLASSIC!

Some of us know that Joe actually did what poor Mr. Larry could only dream of, consolidating his place in boxing lore at the end of his career by showing up in top condition in a host of fights against the top ranked Ring fighters in signature victories. And then retiring undefeated of course.

Beats the hell out of whinging on about mean old Michael Spinks, Rocky, Da Man, and George Foremen as proof of your greatness.
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Sorry, but Calzaghe should ne much much lower than that list. The very least, below Winky and Toney.
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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:
bjermaine wrote:
joe had his fake laurels for almost his entire career. he fought bums until he decided to take a chance against a 43 yr old bhop.
- Hmmm, got a predilection for bum terminology, eh?

Brilliant stuff there, Joe fighting all bums until he met Top of the Marque Bum who exchanged his teeth for a mouth guard and then spent 1/3rd of the fight crawling about the ring like a baby looking for either his now forgotten teeth or misplaced marbles one presumes. A CLASSIC!

Some of us know that Joe actually did what poor Mr. Larry could only dream of, consolidating his place in boxing lore at the end of his career by showing up in top condition in a host of fights against the top ranked Ring fighters in signature victories. And then retiring undefeated of course.

Beats the hell out of whinging on about mean old Michael Spinks, Rocky, Da Man, and George Foremen as proof of your greatness.
comparing larry holmes to joe calzaghe :DDD calzaghe couldn't carry holmes' jock. holmes will always be considered a top heavyweight. we'll all forget about joe in a few years.
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bjermaine wrote:
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: - Joe didn't retire on his fake laurels at age 30 in advance of the two largest purses in the history of boxing not named Oscar.
joe had his fake laurels for almost his entire career. he fought bums until he decided to take a chance against a 43 yr old bhop. then after slapping his way to a close decision he went after a shot jones because that's calzaghe's style. he's a complete fraud. froch is stepping up and taking dangerous fights unlike super jo"k"e. it's not even worth trying to match-up calzaghe in fantasy prime vs prime fights with truly great fighters. joe would have never stepped in the ring with any of them.
Yeah, because no one did fearless, take-on-all-comers like Roy. Dumbass. Are dumbasses a race? Consider me racist, then. I don't like your kind :lol:
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