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Who would you say is the best British fighter never to win a world title

alexpaterson wrote:Who would you say is the best British fighter never to win a world title

Michael Watson.

Losses to Mike Mccallum and Chris Eubank.

Herol Graham.

Loss t Mike Mccallum.

Dave Charnley

Chris Finnegan

herol graham

Jim Driscoll

There are quite a few......

But i would go for Herol Graham. He should have won a world title quite easily

1. McCallum - Fought the wrong fight, changed his normal tactics and McCallum was a class fighter

2. Jackson - Beating him to a pulp, all he had to do was keep away from that....BANG....You know the rest

3. Brewer - Just too old, left it too late in the day for his comeback

Real shame

Quixall wrote:There are quite a few......

But i would go for Herol Graham. He should have won a world title quite easily

1. McCallum - Fought the wrong fight, changed his normal tactics and McCallum was a class fighter

2. Jackson - Beating him to a pulp, all he had to do was keep away from that....BANG....You know the rest

3. Brewer - Just too old, left it too late in the day for his comeback

Real shame

Graham had that style to befuddle everyone, but he never quite held everything together did he?

Herol was so unlucky, I thought he beat McCallum just didn't get the decision. He was well ontop against Jackson - just went silly, and against Brewer it was such a cruel end. He wasn't hurt, just kind of "stuck". he was ahead on the cards.

wat about henry cooper.

Dave Charney or Jim Driscoll would be my call, Chris Finnegan is among the finest also and I was a big fan of Billy Schwer.

Colin Jones is a bit of an idol of mine, but he would have got absolutely mullered had he fought Hearns or Leonard. He wasn't the greatest boxer, but had dynamite in his gloves.

One for me, of unfulfilled potential, is Spencer Oliver. Finest prospect I have seen - I am sure he would have won a world title at one stage - unfortunately, there are too many questions we will never answer about him to know how close he was to the total package (e.g. chin etc). Dean Francis is somewhat similar.

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stujones wrote:Dave Charney or Jim Driscoll would be my call, Chris Finnegan is among the finest also and I was a big fan of Billy Schwer.

Colin Jones is a bit of an idol of mine, but he would have got absolutely mullered had he fought Hearns or Leonard. He wasn't the greatest boxer, but had dynamite in his gloves.

One for me, of unfulfilled potential, is Spencer Oliver. Finest prospect I have seen - I am sure he would have won a world title at one stage - unfortunately, there are too many questions we will never answer about him to know how close he was to the total package (e.g. chin etc). Dean Francis is somewhat similar.

Good post Stu, lots of good names in there. If pushed I'd go for Charnley, but Jones deserves a mention for his sterling efforts against McCrory. Francis will always be the 'what could have been, what should have been' man... cue comment from Autobarn 8)

Deserter wrote:

stujones wrote:Dave Charney or Jim Driscoll would be my call, Chris Finnegan is among the finest also and I was a big fan of Billy Schwer.

Colin Jones is a bit of an idol of mine, but he would have got absolutely mullered had he fought Hearns or Leonard. He wasn't the greatest boxer, but had dynamite in his gloves.

One for me, of unfulfilled potential, is Spencer Oliver. Finest prospect I have seen - I am sure he would have won a world title at one stage - unfortunately, there are too many questions we will never answer about him to know how close he was to the total package (e.g. chin etc). Dean Francis is somewhat similar.

Good post Stu, lots of good names in there. If pushed I'd go for Charnley, but Jones deserves a mention for his sterling efforts against McCrory. Francis will always be the 'what could have been, what should have been' man... cue comment from Autobarn 8)

It was a sterling effort, although in the first fight I think the draw flattered Jones a little bit. I thought McCory won a close one. Incredibly biasness from Alan Minter as the studio guest - he's saying the McCory won and then when Des pushes him to say were the judges wrong by giving Jones a true he's like "nah, I think a draw was fair"!! its quite funny really. Jones celebrated like he won it.... his efforts did deserve to be rewarded, but not actually with a draw or a win if I am being honest.

Why Honeyghun vs Jones was never made was beyond me... that would have been a classic, and to this day my old man is convinced Jones would have beaten Curry but for the cut. I do disagree with him, think that is a bit of a Welsh myth also.

Deserter wrote:

stujones wrote:Dave Charney or Jim Driscoll would be my call, Chris Finnegan is among the finest also and I was a big fan of Billy Schwer.

Colin Jones is a bit of an idol of mine, but he would have got absolutely mullered had he fought Hearns or Leonard. He wasn't the greatest boxer, but had dynamite in his gloves.

One for me, of unfulfilled potential, is Spencer Oliver. Finest prospect I have seen - I am sure he would have won a world title at one stage - unfortunately, there are too many questions we will never answer about him to know how close he was to the total package (e.g. chin etc). Dean Francis is somewhat similar.

Good post Stu, lots of good names in there. If pushed I'd go for Charnley, but Jones deserves a mention for his sterling efforts against McCrory. Francis will always be the 'what could have been, what should have been' man... cue comment from Autobarn 8)

After Francis v Vegas, I can't be arsed (for once)!

stujones wrote:Dave Charney or Jim Driscoll would be my call, Chris Finnegan is among the finest also and I was a big fan of Billy Schwer.

Colin Jones is a bit of an idol of mine, but he would have got absolutely mullered had he fought Hearns or Leonard. He wasn't the greatest boxer, but had dynamite in his gloves.

One for me, of unfulfilled potential, is Spencer Oliver. Finest prospect I have seen - I am sure he would have won a world title at one stage - unfortunately, there are too many questions we will never answer about him to know how close he was to the total package (e.g. chin etc). Dean Francis is somewhat similar.

Oliver seemed to have a great engine, excellent strength, good short punches, clean punching. He had the look of a world class prospect.

I thought he just about dominated Pat Mullings, in their supposed "classic."

Watched that fight a few months ago. Commentators were trying to hype up Oliver v Brodie. What a fight that would have been.

Yes, it was a great time for the Super Bantams - especially with Naz just one weight up. Mullings got himself back in the mix with some excellent displays of power.... I think they were being kept apart so there could have been a series of fights when one of them was a world champion... such a shame it never happend. I'm convinced Oliver would have beaten Brodie quite convincingly. Had such great movement and balance.

A few years ago, Oliver did a segmant for Sky's Ringside programme where he went to various gyms and did a bit of a work out. Brendan Ingle was very critical (possibly joking) about the way Oliver was throwing punches - I was thinking "what the hell is Brendan on.... that bag work is just fantastic". Shame his coaching career never really got off the ground he just had "it".

Dave Charnley, Herol Graham, Pat Cowdell, Kirkland Laing.

Jim O'Driscoll
Jock McAvoy
Len Harvey

colin jones

Michael Brodie, unless of course you count the WBF title he won. I thought he beat Jorrin, was gutted he didn't get the decision or a rematch.

Autobarn wrote:

Quixall wrote:There are quite a few......

But i would go for Herol Graham. He should have won a world title quite easily

1. McCallum - Fought the wrong fight, changed his normal tactics and McCallum was a class fighter

2. Jackson - Beating him to a pulp, all he had to do was keep away from that....BANG....You know the rest

3. Brewer - Just too old, left it too late in the day for his comeback

Real shame

Graham had that style to befuddle everyone, but he never quite held everything together did he?

One of the problems with Graham, was a rather dysfunctinal private life, that ended up affecting him in the ring, aswell as out of it. Plenty of things happened to him, including a failed suicide bid and it's documented in Johnny Nelson's excellent autobiography. Like a lot of fighters that leave the Ingle gym, Graham, Hamed, Rhodes, etc, they seem to go down hill, because other trainers have different methods and techniques and if you have spent years at another gym, it does'nt really work if you move away.

Have i gone blind or has nobody mentioned Tony Sibson

kirklaind laing

dean francis.
was good enough back in the day.