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Coley Wallace

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[[File:Coley wallace . 632.jpg|300px|thumb|left]]
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*Another Autographed [[:Image:Wallace.Coley.jpg|Photo #2]]

 
In 1948, '''Coley Wallace''' won by decision the [[New York Golden Gloves|Open New York Daily News Golden Gloves]] vs. [[Gilmore Newkirk]], then he won a [[Split decision|split decision]] vs. [[Rocky Marciano]] in the semi-final of the [[New York Golden Gloves|New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions]] and then he won the final of that tournament by a split decision vs. [[Bob Baker]] by keeping a stiffDIRTY SCUMBAGS SUK ON THIS: http://mywikibiz.com/User:Boxstuf/Boxrec left in Baker’s face throughout the bout.* He also won by decision the [[Intercity Golden Gloves]]' championship vs. [[Clarence Henry]] and the [[United States Amateur Heavyweight Champions|National AAU]] vs. [[Bill Bangert]], in the heavyweight divisions, although he did not make the Olympics, being bested by [[Norvel Lee]] in the semi-final. In 1949, Wallace won the Open New York Daily News Golden Gloves Championship vs. [[Vincent (Jimmy) Gambino|Jimmy Gambino
]], made the semi-final of the New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions, with the decision being awarded to [[Bob Baker]], in the heavyweight divisions and he then won the consolation bout vs. [[Jim Hillard]].

Wallace starred in the 1953 biopic movie [[The Joe Louis Story|"The Joe Louis Story"]] as the former heavyweight champion.

{{start box}}
{{succession box |
before= [[Joe Lindsay]] |
title= [[New York Golden Gloves|New York Daily News Golden Gloves]] Open Heavyweight Champion |
years= 1948-1949 |
after= [[Gilmore Newkirk]]}}
{{succession box |
before= [[Joe Lindsay]] |
title= [[New York Golden Gloves|New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions]] Heavyweight Champion |
years= 1948 |
after= [[Bob Baker]]}}
{{succession box |
before= [[Richard Hagan]] |
title= [[Intercity Golden Gloves|Intercity Golden Gloves]] Heavyweight Champion |
years= 1948 |
after= [[Bob Baker]]}}
{{succession box | title=[[United States Amateur Heavyweight Champions|NationalAAU]] Heavyweight Champion | before= [[Willie Clemmens]]| after= [[Rex Layne]]| years=1948}}
{{end box}}

Source * The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette March 5, 1948

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[[Category:New York Daily News Golden Gloves Champions]]
[[Category:New York Golden Gloves Champions]]
[[Category:Intercity Golden Gloves Champions]]
[[Category:United States Amateur Champions]]
[[Category:Actors]]
[[Category:2005 Deaths]]

Split decision

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A split [[decision]] occurs when two of the three judging [[official]]s decide in favor of one boxer, while the third official deems the opDIRTY SCUMBAGS SUK ON THIS: http://mywikibiz.com/User:Boxstuf/Boxrecponent the winner. A split decision officially is recorded as a [[win on points|win]] in a boxer's [[fight record]]. (Compare [[ majority decision]]. From the 1930s through the 1950s many American newspapers erroneously reported majority decisions as split-decisions.)
[[Category:Glossary|split decision]]

Talk:Rocky Marciano

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this is insane guy looked small because of fighting style but it's clear he was 180.3cm, 68 reach!
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Rocky Marciano

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[[File:RM.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Rocky Marciano]]
[[file:Ibhof-logo.jpg|thumb|right|Class of 1990 Modern Category Hall of Fame bio:[http://www.ibho<S>f.com/pages/about/inductees/modern/marciano.html click]]]
[[File:WBHF Logo.jpg|right|thumb|200px|World Boxing Hall of Fame Inductee]]
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'''Manager:''' [[Al Weill]] 
'''Trainers:''' [[Charley Goldman]] & [[Al Columbo]] 
'''Cornerman:''' Whitey Bimstein, Freddie Brown and Chickie Ferrera 
'''[[:Category:Rocky Marciano Gallery|Rocky Marciano Gallery]]

'''Rocky Marciano''' was born Rocco Francis Marchegiano on September 1, 1923 in Brockton, Massachusetts. Marciano was [[World Heavyweight Champion]] from 1952 to 1956, and he is the only heavyweight champion to retire undefeated.

Marciano was the first of six children born to Perrino and Pasqualena Marchegiano. Before dropping out of high school to make a few bucks -- as a gardener, delivery boy, laborer for the gas company, and leather tanner at the shoe factory where his father worked -- he starred in football and baseball. In 1947, Marciano had a tryout with the Chicago Cubs as a catcher, but was let go because he couldn't make the throw from home plate to second base with accuracy.

Marciano didn't take up boxing until after he was drafted into the Army in 1943. He took up the sport mainly as a way to avoid KP duty (assisting the cooks) and other less desirable activities, but he showed a natural ability and fought as an amateur following his discharge in 1946.

After being discharged, Marciano visited an old Army buddy, Joe Sarelli, in Chicago. Sarelli's father, who was connected to the fight game, agreed to assess Marciano's potential as a fighter. "His father took me to a gym in Chicago's Loop," Marciano recalled. "For three days, I hit the big bag and the little bag. I skipped rope and shadow boxed. At the end of the workouts, Joe's father sat down with me. He told me, 'Rocky, why don't you go home and forget about being a fighter. You'll too small to be a heavyweight. You'll never make it.'"

Marciano turned professional on March 17, 1947, with a third-round knockout of Lee Epperson. He then returned to the amateurs. On March 1, 1948, at the [[New York Golden Gloves]] Tournament of Champions, he was on the short end of an unpopular [[Split decision|split decision]] to [[Coley Wallace]] in what would be the last loss of his boxing career. In his last amateur fight, Marciano outpointed George McInnis to win the New England AAU Heavyweight Championship on March 22, 1948. Marciano did not move on to the nationals because of a fractured thumb. He finished his amateur career with a record of 9-4 with 7 knockouts.

Marciano won his first sixteen professional fights by knockout, but there were those who still didn't think much would become of him. [[Goody Petronelli]], trainer of [[Marvin Hagler]], caught one of Marciano's early fights and recalled for ''Sports Illustrated'', "I never thought he'd make it. He was too old, almost 25. He was too short, he was too light. He had no reach. Rough and tough, but no finesse."

When the esteemed [[Charley Goldman]], who would become Marciano's trainer, first saw Rocky, he explained to his assistant, [[Angelo Dundee]], that although Marciano lacked height and finesse, he had great punching power. Dundee said, "Charley taught the technique that if you are short, you make yourself smaller. Charley let him bend his knees to a deep knee squat. He was able to punch from that position, come straight up from the bag and hit a heck of a shot ... It was just bang-bang-bang-bang-BANG and get him outta there."

On [[Rocky Marciano vs. Joe Louis|October 26, 1951]], with 37 wins and 32 knockouts under his belt, Marciano faced former heavyweight champion [[Joe Louis]] and knocked him out in the eighth round. Louis was his boyhood idol, and Marciano cried in Louis' dressing room after the fight.

Five fights later, on [[Jersey Joe Walcott vs. Rocky Marciano (1st meeting)|September 23, 1952]], Marciano got a shot at world heavyweight champion [[Jersey Joe Walcott]]. In the thirteenth round, behind on points, Marciano knocked Walcott out with a short right to the jaw to win the championship.

Marciano's first title defense was a rematch with Walcott. On [[Rocky Marciano vs. Jersey Joe Walcott (2nd meeting)|May 15, 1953]], Marciano knocked Walcott out in the first round. Later that year, he made his second defense, [[Rocky Marciano vs. Roland LaStarza (2nd meeting)|knocking out]] [[Roland LaStarza]] in eleven rounds.

On [[Rocky Marciano vs. Ezzard Charles (1st meeting)|June 17, 1954]], Marciano defeated [[Ezzard Charles]] by a unanimous decision in a tough fight. Three months later, in their [[Rocky Marciano vs. Ezzard Charles (2nd meeting)|rematch]], Marciano almost lost his title. In the sixth round, Charles cut Marciano's nose so badly his corner couldn't stop the bleeding. With the ring doctor watching the cut closely and considering stopping the fight, Marciano came on strong in the eighth round and knocked Charles out.

Marciano defended his title against [[Don Cockell]] on [[Rocky Marciano vs. Don Cockell|May 16, 1955]], knocking him out in nine rounds. His sixth title defense was against [[Archie Moore]] on [[Rocky Marciano vs. Archie Moore|September 21, 1955]]. Marciano was dropped in the second round, but came back to knock Moore out in the ninth round.

On April 27, 1956, Marciano retired from boxing at the age of 31. "I thought it was a mistake when Joe Louis tried a comeback," ''The New York Times'' quoted him as saying. "No man can say what he will do in the future, but barring poverty, the ring has seen the last of me. I am comfortably fixed, and I am not afraid of the future." He said he wanted to spend more time with his family.

On August 31, 1969, the day before his 46th birthday, Marciano died in a private-plane crash near Des Moines, Iowa. He was survived by his wife of 19 years, Barbara, and their two children, Rocco Kevin and Mary Anne.

== Awards and Recognition ==
*Marciano was [[Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year|''The Ring'' Fighter of the Year]] for 1952, 1954, and 1955.
*Marciano was involved in [[Ring Magazine Fight of the Year|''The Ring'' Fight of the Year]] three times. The fights were:
**1952 [[Jersey Joe Walcott vs. Rocky Marciano (1st meeting)|Rocky Marciano vs. Jersey Joe Walcott (1st meeting)]]
**1953 [[Rocky Marciano vs. Roland LaStarza (2nd meeting)]]
**1954 [[Rocky Marciano vs. Ezzard Charles (2nd meeting)]]
*Marciano was elected to [[Ring Magazine's Boxing Hall of Fame|''The Ring'' Boxing Hall of Fame]] in 1959, the [[World Boxing Hall of Fame]] in 1980, and the [[International Boxing Hall of Fame]] in 1990.
*Marciano was named [[Division-By-Division - The Greatest Fighters of All-Time|the fourth greatest heavyweight of all-time]] by ''The Ring'' in 1994.
*Marciano was named [[The Ring Magazine - Miscellaneous Lists|the seventh greatest puncher of all-time]] by ''The Ring'' in 1997.
*Marciano was named [[The Ring Magazine - Miscellaneous Lists|the ninth greatest fighter of the 20th century]] by ''The Ring'' in 1999.
*Marciano was named the third greatest heavyweight of the 20th century by the Associated Press in 1999.
== Trivia ==
*Marciano once had been a client of the Charles Atlas training program.
*During his sophomore year as a linebacker on the highly-ranked Brockton High School football team, Marciano intercepted a pass and returned it 67 yards for a touchdown.
*According to 1979 The [[Ring Record Book]] & Boxing Encyclopedia, Marciano was 5' 10 1/2" with a 68" reach.

== External Links ==
*Excerpt of ''The Main Event'', a TV program created and hosted by Marciano: [http://xoteria.com/CH1.html]
*''Fights and Flights...The Crash of Rocky Marciano's Cessna'': [http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/MarcianoCessna.htm]
*My Hero Project - Sports Hero: Rocky Marciano [http://www.myhero.com/go/hero.asp?hero=rockymarciano]
*Official Rocky Marciano Website: [http://www.rockymarciano.net/]
*Marciano's filmography at IMDb: [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0545698/]
*Marciano's record at the Cyber Boxing Zone: [http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/rocky.htm]
*''Rocky Marciano's most complete, true amateur record: 9-4 (7 KO's)'': [http://encyclopediasupreme.org/rockymarcianoamateur94]
*YouTube Highlight Video: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sncQC8_5uEM]

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{{Succession box|
before=[[Jersey Joe Walcott]]|
title=[[World Heavyweight Champion]] [[NBA World Heavyweight Champion]] [[NYSAC World Heavyweight Champion]]|
after=[[Floyd Patterson]]|
years=1952 Sep 23 – 1956 Apr 27 '''Retired'''
}}
{{end box}}

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[[Category:World Heavyweight Champions]]
[[Category:American World Champions]]
[[Category:World Boxing Hall of Fame Members]]
[[Category:IBHOF Members]]
[[Category:World War II Veterans]]
[[Category:Referees]]
[[Category:Actors]]
[[Category:Italian American Boxers]]
[[Category:The Ring Magazine Champions]]

User talk:Marina

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User talk:Matt

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Please sign all comments, and enter them in the appropriate section, or if there is not one create another one. Unless you commented in error, please do <S>not delete your text. I would prefer that the discussion remain here, as a record of what has transpired, and for possible future reference.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 14:37, 17 Jan 2006 (CST)

For older discussions see: [[User talk:Matt Tegen/Archive1]]

== Venues & Clubs ==

Matt, but the [[:Category:Venues & Clubs|Venues & Clubs]] category DOES include athletic clubs, in addition to boxing venues. --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 12:09, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

I think boxing clubs (gyms) should be separate from venues or old athletic clubs that staged bouts. I moved the category to gyms. I think the category is poorly named anyway, it should probably be "Boxing Venues".--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 12:46, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

== Talk/Discussion Pages ==

Matt, why cannot people use the talk and discussion sections of pages to post their opinions about the subject of the page and to "discuss" it? To get aboard their soapbox if they so choose? Just wondering --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 17:35, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

He isn't discussing the contents of the article or how to improve it, which is what the talk page should be about. He is complaining about the number of weight divisons. I'd prefer to not encourage soapboxing, because I don't want the contributions to the wiki to become people opineing on different subjects on the talk pages. See: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#How_to_use_article_talk_pages] for Wikipedia's guidelines.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 18:44, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

== International Boxing Council ==
Mat, I will not do name change, however if you check old newspapers you will know that they were called the International Boxing Club, headed by Jim Norris, Truman Gibson (secretary) and few others and that was the official name. I did inform Ric, it is up to you guys to decide if some articles deserve to be correct/ed or not. I do have pdf files with that name but due to copyright laws I will not share with anybody outside my circle.

== Fight Codes ==

Hey Matt, just wondering what I can do to figure out a fight code without the "blue books" that used to link from boxrec.com fight pages. Also, is the removal of the blue book links a permanent change with the new update? Sure hope not... (Sweetscientsist wrote)

No, it's not permanent. You may just want to be patient and wait.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 21:14, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

== Lennox Lewis page ==

gene tunney did not defeat every fighter he faced as a pro. he fought to a draw with tommy gavigan, fought to nc with renault, and technically fought to a no-decision with johnny risko.

riddick bowe has not defeated every fighter either. had a no-contest with buster mathis jr.

only marciano and johansson should be listed. the only current title holder would be chagaev that has defeated every opponent.

== Maybe the following talk pages require editing/deleting ==

[[Talk:Domenico Spada vs. Mustafa Karagol]]

--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 17:50, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

== Answer to the Sysop question ==

I should say that English is not my native language and I have no access to sources, which means that I could basically only continue to compare data within the database trying to find inaccuracies and errors. If that is no problem, I would like to become a Sysop, of course. If it is, I'm looking forward to going on as a common user.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 13:29, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

The database should be very accurate, particularly on dates. It's more likely that someone would see an error there, and inform us of it in the forum, than someone seeing an error in the wiki, as you are doing. I would suggest you fix it yourself, unless you have good reason to doubt that the record database is wrong.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 13:55, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

== Deleting certain fight pages? ==

Some fight pages do not provide other information than the BoxRec database: Only the fight code is inserted, only the fact that a certain bout was the fighter's pro debut is mentioned (which is obvious assuming that the boxer's BoxRec Fight Record is complete) or only details are given which can be found in the BoxRec database, too. Thus clicking on these fight pages will not supply the users with further information (assuming that they are entering the fight page from the BoxRec database, which should be the usual case) so that deleting them seems to be a good idea (to save the users' time). On the other hand, editors might want to add more information to these pages in the future so that having deleted them would cause more work.

Example:

[[Fight:34988]] to be compared with [http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=009314&cat=boxer Ricky Hatton in the BoxRec database]

or even:

[[Wladimir Klitschko vs. Fabio Eduardo Moli]] to be compared with [http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=007035&cat=boxer Wladimir Klitschko in the BoxRec database] (I think providing the opportunity to click on the boxers' and the officials' names or on a category is not "enough" to create a fight page as users probably hope to find additional information when clicking on a "blue book" bout comment icon.)

Deleting or keeping them? And what if the current version of a page (like [[Fight:1112095|this]]) does not provide further information while past versions do (like [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight%3A1112095&diff=77532&oldid=74772 these]?--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 12:06, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

I agree, I don't see why you need to create a page, when all you add is what is already appearing in BoxRec. I know I only create pages when I have comments about the bout to make. You should ask JollyDee why he created all those pages.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 18:46, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

So shall pages containing information which does not exceed what can be found in BoxRec be deleted? And what about the case described in the last paragraph of my comment above?--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

If you don't see ANY additional information in the wiki, than can be found in BoxRec, then delete it.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 15:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

I know I'm coming in late on this debate, but I do see some value in certain pages that contain no additional information (in comparaison to what appears in the database). Title fights are a good example. A number of editors have devoted significant time to create tables for title fights and have included links to the wiki books within those tables (see one I recently created [[NABO Heavyweight Title Fights|here]]).

While I agree that a user that gets to the wiki blue book from the BoxRec database will not find any additional information in a simple "fight code page", the same cannot be said for the user who reaches that page from the encyclopaedia. The latter doesn't have direct access to the database (its a couple of clicks away).

For the same reason, I believe that simple "boxer code pages" have some value as they enable the creation of links from the encyclopaedia.

It's probably too late, as I see that you've been implementing the policy above, but I wanted to share my thoughts on the matter.--[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 19:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not too late. I was even going to express the same thoughts but was beaten to the punch.

Users who are watching BoxRec boxer pages do not benefit from boxer and fight pages in the encyclopaedia which merely show code-generated information as these data can already be found on the BoxRec boxer pages themselves. When such users click on open blue book icons, they don't gain further information, but lose time instead.

On the other hand, users who are reading in the encyclopaedia benefit from links to those pages as even code-generated data are additional information from their perspective.

How can this conflict of interests be resolved? Assuming that fight and boxer pages have been moved to proper titles, pages of the form "Fight:12345" and "Human:12345" have become redirect pages connecting the fight and boxer pages to which they redirect to BoxRec. These redirects ought to be deleted so that the blue book icons close. Thus BoxRec users would not open encyclopaedia pages with no additional data any more while encyclopaedia users would still be provided with links to boxer and fight pages which merely show code-generated information.

This procedure would conjure up the danger of duplicate pages though. When an editor sees a closed blue book icon he might start editing it and a duplicate page would finally be created. If he then tried to move the newly created page to a title which exactly agrees with the title of an already existing duplicate page, there would be a notification and the editor would probably merge the pages. But still reorganization would be required and some bits of information entered on the newer page might be the same which had already been shown on the older page so that the editor would have done superfluous work. To save him this trouble there could be guidelines on the [[Help:Contents|Help page]] telling editors to first find out if the fight or boxer page he wants to work on already exists by using the search box. If an editor finds such a page he is to create a corresponding redirect page, which will open the blue book icon, and edit the page he has found.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 01:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm more opposed to the PetePod (Red) edits that seem to be done for no apparent purpose. Edits that are for a constructive purpose such as yours are fine, if they are in the context of a project such as yours.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 05:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Hugh Pat Floyd ==

What do think, is this is also him ?
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=405484&cat=referee

[[User:John|JohnShep]] 19:59, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

I think it probably is, since Hugh Pat Floyd was from London, and it looks like the referee worked out of London.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 10:46, 1 October 2007 (CDT)

== Title succession boxes ==
Soon I'd like to go over the wiki pages of world champions adding title succession boxes where they are missing (as far as WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO titles are concerned) and correcting them where they do not agree with what the BoxRec database says. I assume interim championships are not to be mentioned in those boxes as they do not occur in the lists of title lineages either.

What I've noticed while taking a look at those pages in advance is that in the middle box of a title succession box the dash between the dates that mark the beginning and the end of a champion's reign often lacks a space before it (or there is a space behind it where there should be none).

An example is [[Jesse James Leija|Jesse James Leija's]] succession box, which looks as follows up to now:

{{start box}}
{{Succession box|
before=[[Azumah Nelson]]|
title=[[WBC Super Featherweight Champion]]|
after=[[Gabriel Ruelas]]|
years=7 May 1994– 17 Sep 1994
}}
{{end box}}

Should a space be both before and after the dash?:

{{start box}}
{{Succession box|
before=[[Azumah Nelson]]|
title=[[WBC Super Featherweight Champion]]|
after=[[Gabriel Ruelas]]|
years=7 May 1994 – 17 Sep 1994
}}
{{end box}}

Or should there be no space around the dash?:

{{start box}}
{{Succession box|
before=[[Azumah Nelson]]|
title=[[WBC Super Featherweight Champion]]|
after=[[Gabriel Ruelas]]|
years=7 May 1994–17 Sep 1994
}}
{{end box}}

The main wikipedia seems to prefer spaces around the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endash#En_dash en dash], if I get the second paragraph of the usage guidelines section right.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 14:21, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

There should be spaces around the dash, I think.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 15:35, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

== "Retired" vs. "Vacated" ==
Matt, would you mind replying to Emaster's question to me regarding "Retired" vs. "Vacated"? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 20:04, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

I don't want to cause a fuss with my little questions; the latest of them are on Ric's [[User talk:Ric#"Retired" vs. "Vacated"|talk page]], which I'm simply going to handle as follows unless I'll receive other instructions: 
1. If a champion has vacated his title and really never fought again he retired. 
2. If a champion has vacated his title, but returned to the ring later he vacated his title.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 21:57, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

If a fighter said he was retiring, thereby giving up his title, he retired in my book. In the case of Ali, his third title reign ended by retirement, he wasn't stripped or he didn't abandon his title. I know when I added many of those title boxes, I took care to note whether someone retired or vacated. Also, I have been corrected by others who have caught my mistakes. If you have questions you should be able to find a lot of stuff through a google search and a little digging. If not, then ask, somebody here can probably figure it out, unless it is some of the recent shenanigans that the alphabet soup game pull off.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 23:00, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

Your explanation of Ali's case provides the definition I sought for; my simple definiton offered above is therefore not applicable. Whenever I see differing statements regarding the question "retired or vacated?" or "vacated or stripped" respectively while comparing the lists of title lineages with the title succession boxes on boxer pages I'm going to perform a google search to find out which statement was correct.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 10:41, 2 November 2007 (CDT)

== Issues now discussed on other pages ==

=== Code and resulting data ===
*[[Help talk:Contents#Code and resulting data]]

=== Boxers/Fights missing in BoxRec ===
*[[Help talk:Contents#Boxers/Fights missing in BoxRec]]

=== Which fights were for the WBA or the WBC heavyweight title? ===
*[[Talk:WBA Heavyweight Champion]]
*[[Talk:WBC Heavyweight Champion]]

=== More fights for vacant world titles? ===
*[http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=84097 Fights for vacant or nonvacant world titles?]
*[[Category talk:World Champions By Weight Class#Inconsistent treatment of inaugural title fights by BoxRec and title lineage listings]]

--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 22:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Quincy Daniels ==

Matt,

The record and biography of the following boxer:

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Human:28823

actually represent two people. Quincey Daniels, the 1960 Olympian, made his pro debut in 1965 against Frank Jennings; they both weighed 145 1/4, according to AP. The other Daniels turned pro in 1970, he was 22 at the time. Could you split these two records and make the necessary corrections?

Thank you very much in advance!

== World Champion Category Text ==

Matt, please see the discussion today between Emaster and me. What do you suggest the text say? Something like, perhaps: "A listing of those who have held a welterweight (or whatever division) world title, as recognized by one of the <nowiki>[[:Category:Sanctioning Bodies|four major sanctioning bodies]]</nowiki>." --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 18:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say "generally recognized", which of course means the current "major" four, and whatever else constituted "major" in the past (NBA/NYSAC)--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 23:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Joe Smallwood ==
Matt,trying to change hometown of Joe Smallwood to Wilmington, DE, doesn't work, Bert

Don't know what to say. I don't understand enought about how the BoxRec database works with the wiki.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 20:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Alexander Abraham ==

Alexander Abraham being arrested for kicking Miranda in the head is apparently a hoax.
See: http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2/headlines//EkEuEyyZyAVgXPdQgb.html
--[[User:Fosho|Fosho]] 14:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Card in Brossard (Quebec) of July 8 ==

Matt, I see you've erased my entries posting the weights of all the fighters following the weigh-in for this card. Any reason why I shouldn't have done that? I usually post the weights on fight day, and return after the fight to complete the description of the fight. Let me know. Thanks. --[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]]

I didn't understand that you were going to return later and write reports. I assumed that you were just listing weights in the wiki, which I think is a waste, since the weights are available on BoxRec.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 00:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I apologize for that Matt, I was just trying to cheat a little... I've now recreated the [[Pier Olivier Cote vs. Juan Carlos Pastrana]] page, as the bout just ended with a TKO2 victory for Cote. Going forward I'll wait to have some non-basic information before creating an entry.

Thank you for answering my question. --[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]]

== Sergey Sorokin ==

Matt, there appear to be two separate pages for Sergey Sorokin. The first here: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Human:92870,
and the second here: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Sergey_Sorokin.
I believe the first one should be deleted.--[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 20:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Now the first page listed by [[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] redirects to the other one.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 22:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Deaths ==

Matt, we have a page '''Deaths in 2008''' http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Deaths_in_2008 and a category '''2008 Deaths''' http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Category:2008_Deaths, it seems to me that this is unnecessary ?
[[User:John|JohnShep]] 12:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The Deaths in 2008 is sort of like a short obituary, ala wikipedia's recent deaths. If we ditch the category or the list and just go to the automation, I think people are going to not bother with adding the details and creating the bio pages.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 18:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Fairy Nuff :-) [[User:John|JohnShep]] 21:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

== Brizel ==

Is there anything to do about this guy. His subjective text is driving me nuts! [[User:Rvk2007|Rvk2007]] 17:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate his energy and desire to add information. But I'm in agreement that he needs to stop with the subjective test. I don't think communication works with him. We can either keep trying to explain our feeling to him, or tell him that we will give him a short ban to get his attention.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 18:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

For what its worth, he sent me a nice e-mail the other day apologizing for some of his edits to the [[Sebastien Demers vs. Dionisio Miranda]] fight. He's certainly misguided, but he means well. --[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 19:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You're right Matt. I'm getting quite discouraged at this point as well. I was hoping the message was getting through, but it appears I was wrong. I'm really short on answers at this point. --[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 20:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Matt, I'm now beyond discouraged with Brizel. I'm to the point where I strongly recommend banning the guy. Clearly, he's not interested in making an effort.--[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 01:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you. I've tended to be inactive from BoxRec from time-to-time lately, but I find myself looking over his edits when I do check in. Reasoning with him has been pointless, as he has not even acknowledged the people trying to reason with him. I will ban him for a month, and see if he makes any progress when he returns or starts a dialog to try and work through the issues people have with his edits.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 15:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Matt. I think you made the right decision. Nothing else was working.--[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 23:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Well Matt, it seems our friend is back to his old ways. He inexplicably erased all of the content Sweetscientist and I had created for the [[Humberto Soto vs. Benoit Gaudet]] page and added his usual brand of "objective" analysis.--[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 16:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ring Titles ==

In researching fighters recognized as champions by Ring Magazine and awarded the Ring Title for their respective weight classes, I cannot help but notice that boxrec and the encyclopedia do not mention these titles at all. Is this by design because they are not believed to be from a legitimate sanctioning body or is it simply that the information has not been added? It would seem to some that the Ring titles were as prestigious as those of the big three. Yet no pages containing Ring title lineages or the succession boxes are done for fighters winning these belts. Is it wanted to be kept this way and would this information likely be deleted? or is it information just waiting to be added? Thanks - Ben Griffin --[[User:Sweetscientist|Sweetscientist]] 22:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

We have not recognized the recent incarnation of the Ring titles, and therefore don't recognize the Ring's older titles, though they usually match the so-called "World title" of the time.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 00:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

==Canadian Lightweight Title Bouts==
Matt, thank you for bringing those fights to my attention. The Talhan fight makes perfect sense as he had won the title in 1990 and that would have been his first defense.

I'm more puzzled by the second fight, as the CBF records show Grant as being the champion uninterrupted from 1992 to 1995 (that said, they are not particularly reliable). The easiest thing to do is to contact Grant himself, which is exactly what I will do tomorrow. Maybe he can shed light on the situation.--[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 05:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

==Are Blows Counts To Difficult For Boxrec ?==
As boxing research has grown, counting blows has become a useful tool for understanding the totality of a bout. Why are some boxrec editors deleting such information? You have the best site for disseminating information. It can be done usually in one or two lines. What is the problem?-- Dr Data Box 23:45,3 August, 2009.

Nobody understands what controls and events area. As it stands right now they lack credibility with people who use this site. People question what it is exactly these statistics mean. You need to raise the level of awareness of what these stats are. I know you have published this in magazines and IBRO in the past, but I think today's boxing fan either is not aware of your statistics or gives no credibility to them.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 14:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

They are explained in Wikipedia. Don't you mean you don't want to consider them? Why delete the blows, a very legitimate statistic, over a personal whim?

I'm not deleting the punch stats, as that is a statistic the general boxing public understands. If I am, apologize for the unintended mistake. The problem with controls and events is that the general boxing public is clueless to their meaning. Nobody else, aside from you, is coming in the wiki and posting in these stats after bouts. I would think for their to be some credibility we would expect to see others understand the metrics and put them, and not have people asking what it is that controls and events are, as is the case now. Baseball for example, has a lot of stats. Everyone understands ERA or Slugging percentage, and if you are maybe a little more tuned in, OPS. But the general public doesn't understand VORP (Value over replacement player) or DERA (defense adjusted ERA). Unless more people understand what you are doing, you really are almost doing this for your own amusement.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 02:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I understand what he's doing but consider it hopelessly subjective - you'd have to be a mindreader to make it work. You can't have one person sitting in front of the television / youtube trying to figure what it was that the boxer intended to do and than present his findings as - baseball-like - statistics.--[[User:Wouter|Wouter]] 06:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Southpaw or orthodox world champions? ==

Matt, you added the [[:Category:Southpaw World Champions|Southpaw World Champions category]] on the boxer pages of the following boxers: [[Adonis Rivas]], [[Cassius Baloyi]], [[Celestino Caballero]], and [[Duilio Loi]]. Their stances are all registered as orthodox on their BoxRec profiles, though.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 18:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Then delete the category. We must have had the wrong stance at the time.--[[User:Matt Tegen|Matt Tegen]] 22:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I thought that maybe the database was wrong. However, I'll remove the categories from the boxer pages.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 23:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Canadian Flyweight Championship Bout ==

Thank you Matt. Much appreciated.--[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 20:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== punchstats ==

hey man it took me forever to track down those stats,
I had to separate that from the bullshit fan forums punchstats, until i got the fight in danish, and the tv commentators read it out, my danish isn't great but i can now confirm those stats i posted are 100% accurate

== Canadian Flyweight Title ==

Thank you very much for the information Matt. I've corrected the lineage and entered the bouts accordingly. Great research by the way. --[[User:Reenthelawman|Reenthelawman]] 17:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tremayne Johnson ==
Matt, you keep erasing Tremayne Johnson's profile, saying no record of fighter but he's not a fighter he is a trainer, so please stop erasing him.

Ok, I see that now. Please create his bio in a format consistent with how other non-boxer biographies are written. I think you confused me, by trying to make the biography look like a boxers, which made me think that you were creating a page for a boxer that did not exist.--[[User:Matt|Matt]] 23:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Show Code ==

Hi Matt,
I have introduced a show code now (still working on it) see http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Show:223657

Cheers, [[User:John|JohnShep]] 17:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

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<show>1234</show>

= Golden Gloves Template =

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|-align="center"
|-
| 1963
| [[Harley Cooper]]
| [[Ted Gullick]]
| [[Bill Douglas]]
| [[Wade Smith]]
| [[Perry Bennett]]
| ?
| [[Emanuel Steward]]
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|BoxerB=Mayweather
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User:Ric

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Ric is a long-time volunteer Editor for [[BoxRec.com]] (since May 2001), and a member of the [[International Boxing Research Organi<S>zation]]. He is also one of the Administrators of this BoxRec Wiki Boxing Encyclopedia.

'''If you have a question for me, please send an e-mail to ric@boxrec.com. Don't put messages here or delete this text.'''

And if you are thinking of e-mailing me regarding images I have uploaded to this BoxRec Wiki Encyclopedia, to ask for permission to use an image, please note the 'Disclaimer' located at the bottom of every Wiki page:

:''BoxRec does not claim any copyright to the images in its database, but for some rare exceptions (such as the BoxRec logo). As an Internet Web site, and under the "fair use" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use] and "safe harbor" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act] provisions of international copyright law, BoxRec is able to post these images even if someone else claims the copyright to a particular image--until the copyright owner tells BoxRec to take down the image. It is the intent of BoxRec to serve as a free, non-profit, on-line public repository of these images--primarily for preservation, educational, and scholarly purposes. Therefore, permission to use images that BoxRec does not explicitly claim a copyright is not necessary. However, further use of any image is at your own peril.''

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Wouter, your can create a new Wiki page simply by going to your User page, and put the name of your new page in double-brackets. After you have created a new link in your USER page by entering the double-brackets coded text in it, simply press the button below the text box that says SHOW PREVIEW. (You don't have to press the SAVE PAGE button, but you can if you really want to save your changes for future use.) You will see text in red font. Click on that, and start entering text into your new page. You don't have to do what you are currently doing: entering the text in your User page, then "moving" your User page to create a new Wiki page. --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 10:06, 15 Feb 2006 (C<s>ST)
==Hurricane==
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Talk:Tommy_%28Hurricane%29_Jackson You are an administrator, both boxrec and above, still says 49 and 1982, why does it take so long, also mike tyson height still wrong.Well I am glad you changed it, but why did you block me, if it was correct information, not that i need this place anyways, but you guys are sensitive to some invisible users and it took you 4 weeks to do this, a fact 1982.

== Kid Chocolate & RRB ==

Wouter, I see you deleted some text from [[Kid Chocolate]]'s page, with the explanation that the RRB was wrong. Even if the RRB IS incorrect, my belief is that we should keep this information in the page, but add that the RRB is incorrect. We have done this with other pages (such as X source says, incorrectly, that Jones was never knocked down when in fact he was knocked down by Smith in such and such a fight). --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 10:23, 28 February 2007 (CST)

I thought it was too much credit for a persistent mistake and keeping it alive by repeating it. I'll change the comment into (..) RRB incorrectly reported (...) which is acceptable IMO. Thanks BTW for the Brown v. Sanstol piece you sent me, I quite enjoyed it.--[[User:Wouter|Wouter]] 05:50, 2 March 2007 (CST)

Part II of Brown-Sanstol comes out in the IBRO Journal later this month. I'll e-mail that to you after it gets published. --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 08:45, 2 March 2007 (CST)

== What a boring and useless place you're making the fight pages into ==

Honestly, what a waste of time this place is. Reducing fight commentary down to the facts makes this a useless resource. You could have the most exciting fight of the year and not have a single comment on it because
a) there were no knockdowns
b) no points deducted
c) even the word 'exciting' is colouring the fight and purely subjective and
d) the PPV numbers are unknown.
If you follow these principles then every Butterbean fight would have more commentary than an epic Barrera vs Morales war.

Sure you can bury the fight commentary down in the 'talk' page, but who's going to find it. The link is from boxrec, and it links to the main page. And what are they going to find as a comment, if they want more info on the fight, N-O-T-H-I-N-G. (And BTW for the next user, give him a break and call it the 'Discussion' page, because thats how its labelled).

Boxing is opinionated. This should be reflected in the descriptions. This database would be better served as a loose collection of fight reviews than an punctuation freak's paradise. I cant believe the editting/punctuation tip at the beginning. Damm, if I want info about a fight, I should be able to find it easily and I dont give a shit if I got my commas before the closing quotes or not.

Regards, conan_the_cribber

Incorrect place for entry?

== Oyebola ==

Oyebola has not died? So what is your interpretation of the words "FORMER champion heavyweight boxer James Oyebola died today after his life support machine was switched off."? http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007340696,00.html --[[User:Fosho|Fosho]] 08:40, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Yes, he died TODAY July 27. You already pronounced him dead yesterday (his supposed date of death being last wednesday) when he was still on life support.--[[User:Wouter|Wouter]] 11:34, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Well, he was brain dead since wednesday, the legal definition is that brain dead == dead. --[[User:Fosho|Fosho]] 12:51, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

== Primo Carnera Page ==

Wouter, your edits of the [[Primo Carnera]] page created some of those odd characters that seem to pop up here and there--at least on my screen. --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 15:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

What edits do you mean? I've checked the history of the page and can't find my name.--[[User:Wouter|Wouter]] 15:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry, I see I should have addressed this to JohnShep. --[[User:Ric|Ric]] 16:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Young Maxie Rosenbloom ==

Wooter,

Young Maxie Rosenbloom was a legitimate fighter in the thirties. The negative comments you reverted to were only on the Boxing Rec. web site because I posted the associated newspaper articles from which they originated as they were quoted by reporters in the 1930's. I did this with the honest belief that this was a legitimate web site based on documented fights from legitimate professional boxers. The comments you made were based on a Stars and Stripes article written about him. I do not know where they recieved their information, but thus far there is no evidence that Young Maxie Rosenbloom fought Barney Ross or Tony Canzonerio in a professional bout. Please remember that these young boxers grew up together, and if Young Maxie claimed he fought them...it may have been very early on in the careers, if at all. I don't think that there is really any need to disparage the man however, He is my Dad, and although I was very young when he died, he is still a legend to me. I have edited his bio once again by placing some positive comments about him made by the press.--[[User:turetsky|turetsky]] 21:54, 7 July 2008 (CST)

Hello Mr. Turetsky

As far as I've been able to reconstruct it, is that your father travelled the county with an impressive looking scrapbook. When he fought in Galveston Tx. for example he showed the local pressmen a picture that showed - according to your father - a picture of him and Tony Canzoneri at the weigh-in of a fight at Madison Square Garden.
The careers of the fighters you father claimed to have fought however, have been extensively researched (research of contemporary newspapers/boxing periodicals etc. etc.) and that includes their early careers. The truth is that the claims your father made are simply not true, which can also be illustrated by the results of the fights he did have: as as yet we have yet to come across a report of him winning a fight.
The scrapbook that your father carried can best be seen as a marketing ploy to convince local promoters to place him on their fightcards.
No hard feelings toward anyone and best of luck

Wouter

== Frank Borrington v Obie Walker ==

Hi saw you removed the aforementioned fight from Borrington's record. I'm not doubting what you say in that the bout was cancelled but I got this message from his great nephew
"i just looked at Frank's fight record on Boxrec, and you have removed the Obie Walker fight and on Frank's biography you have stated the Obie Walker fight was cancelled, the fight was cancelled, so you are stating false information so could you please replace it with the correct information, the Obie Walker fight was either a no contest result or it did take place so please could you correct this on your web site or remove the Obie Walker information from Frank's biography as you are stating false information"
Is there anything you have that I can say in reply as to why the fight was cancelled?

Hi Nick. As I had my doubts about this fight ever taking place, I contacted Miles Templeton about it. He happened to be the one that provided Borrington's relative with the information about Frank Borrington's career and the press clippings - including the poster announcing the Walker fight for 1934-6-10. Why the fight was cancelled I do not know, but Mr. Templeton informed me that Walker was replaced with Charlie Belanger who knocked out Borrington in 7.--[[User:Wouter|Wouter]] 10:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I tried talking to him but this is what he said? I don't know what you want to do about it. I'm getting inundated with emails from him.

"Miles Templiton, is a conman, he charged me money for the paper cittings i sent to you for you to update my great uncle Frank's fight record the fight against Obie Walker was in 1935 not 1934 i have attached a picture to prove this fact, and Miles Tempilton is not a proper British boxing historian all he does is copy other people's work then sells it to any person willing to pay for it, so could you please correct the information on Frank's fight record, one more thing do not add Miles Templiton's name to any of my dead relatives fight records or forums on Boxrec please, as Miles Tempilton, as no right to get free publicity and to make money out of my dead relatives, so i would like to remind you of this fact and please keep Miles Tempilton's name away from any of my dead relatives names on anything to do with Boxrec, or i will take, measures to prevent this from happening, as Miles Tempilton is not going to make money and gain free publicity out of my dead relativ es names in anyway, again i would like to thank you for all your help and boxrec."

From other people's experiences I knew that Borrington's relative was not the easiest to work with - to put it mildly. As for the Borrington v. Obie Walker fight: it didn't happen. Not in 1934 (the poster says Sunday June 10 - which makes it 34 not 35), not in 1935 and not in any other year. I wish him good luck in finding a press report of the fight.--[[User:Wouter|Wouter]] 08:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks, Red

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Coley Wallace

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[[File:Coley wallace . 632.jpg|300px|thumb|left]]
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*Another Autographed [[:Image:Wallace.Coley.jpg|Photo #2]]

 
In 1948, '''Coley Wallace''' won by decision the [[New York Golden Gloves|Open New York Daily News Golden Gloves]] vs. [[Gilmore Newkirk]], then he won a [[Split decision|split decision]] vs. [[Rocky Marciano]] in the semi-final of the [[New York Golden Gloves|New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions]] and then he won the final of that tournament by a split decision vs. [[Bob Baker]] by keeping a stiff left in Baker’s face throughout the bout.* He also won by decision the [[Intercity Golden Gloves]]' championship vs. [[Clarence Henry]] and the [[United States Amateur Heavyweight Champions|National AAU]] vs. [[Bill Bangert]], in the heavyweight divisions, although he did not make the Olympics, being bested by [[Norvel Lee]] in the semi-final. In 1949, Wallace won the Open New York Daily News Golden Gloves Championship vs. [[Vincent (Jimmy) Gambino|Jimmy Gambino
]], made the semi-final of the New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions, with the decision being awarded to [[Bob Baker]], in the heavyweight divisions and he then won the consolation bout vs. [[Jim Hillard]].

Wallace starred in the 1953 biopic movie [[The Joe Louis Story|"The Joe Louis Story"]] as the former heavyweight champion.

{{start box}}
{{succession box |
before= [[Joe Lindsay]] |
title= [[New York Golden Gloves|New York Daily News Golden Gloves]] Open Heavyweight Champion |
years= 1948-1949 |
after= [[Gilmore Newkirk]]}}
{{succession box |
before= [[Joe Lindsay]] |
title= [[New York Golden Gloves|New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions]] Heavyweight Champion |
years= 1948 |
after= [[Bob Baker]]}}
{{succession box |
before= [[Richard Hagan]] |
title= [[Intercity Golden Gloves|Intercity Golden Gloves]] Heavyweight Champion |
years= 1948 |
after= [[Bob Baker]]}}
{{succession box | title=[[United States Amateur Heavyweight Champions|NationalAAU]] Heavyweight Champion | before= [[Willie Clemmens]]| after= [[Rex Layne]]| years=1948}}
{{end box}}

Source * The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette March 5, 1948

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