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Talk:BoxRec Ratings Description

2007-10-17T07:14:42Z

Kbiz:

Does anyone know what the 'initial points' that the boxers get for their first rating calculation? I know the article says that all boxers get zero BEFORE their first fight, but using what appears to be a modified Elo Rating System, you MUST start with points in order to do a calculation, otherwise you will not gain any points if your opponent also has zero points. Thanks for the help...

Is 2.4 correct? Do they All-Time ratings include "active" boxers?

Yes, All-Time ratings include active boxers too.

Not sure how good your all-time heavyweight rankings are. You have Jack Sharkey and James Toney ranked well ahead of both Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis. While all are certainly great names, Sharkey has 14 losses, Toney is a steriod user who naturally fought in lower weight classes. You have him ranked out of the top five now, but 17th all-time? Does that mean several heavies today are considered top ten all-time? I hope not. Tyson dominated as champ with one-round KOs over ranked opponents. Lewis rarely lost rounds as champ. So I have to question your criteria.
You have Ken Norton, who won at least one fight with Muhammed Ali, 34th. The guy above him is non-belt holder Don Cockell. I'm sorry, your all-time rankings are very inconsistent by records and performance alone. Do you consider KO wins as champ over ranked opponents the same as decision wins overall? Please explain. Thanks.
Also you have Ingemmar Johanssen 12th all-time with a record of 26-2. Below him is George Foreman at 76-5. Foreman had devastating KO wins over Joe Frazier and Ken Norton as champ and won several rounds from Muhammed Ali before losing. Johanssen never successfully defended his world belt. Again, please explain your criteria. Thanks.

== All Time Ratings - Criteria ==

The all time ratings are the average of the top 5 years' ratings of a boxer. A top rank in the all time ratings so require consistent performance within at least top 5 years.

There is no counting of titles and belts. Also single results, such as A defeated B, are not determinating the ratings.

Active boxers are rated in their last weight division. So Toney might be rated in middleweight after retirement.

Losing bouts against good opposition is not punished as long these losses are compensated by big wins.

In general, regarding the rating rules, you just read the description.

Talk:Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2007-05-06T15:37:09Z

Kbiz:

This bout is called here "the second biggest payday for two fighters in one bout". I thought de la Hoya got more against Hopkins. Is there anyone with informations about the dlH-Hopkins bout? - Deslizer

Deslizer, I think what they mean by that is the total purse for both fighters. If I had to guess, I think the total purse for the Lewis vs Tyson fight would have been bigger. Off the top of my head I think that purse was around $50 million total. - kbiz.

Official Scorecard from www.fightnews.com/oscar_floyd_scorecard.gif : 

Round...Oscar De La Hoya...Floyd Mayweather Jr 
Jerry Roth 
1..............9.................10 
2.............10..................9 
3.............10..................9 
4.............10..................9 
5..............9.................10 
6..............9.................10 
7.............10..................9 
8..............9.................10 
9.............10..................9 
10.............9.................10 
11.............9.................10 
12.............9.................10 
Total........113................115 
Chuck Giampa: 
1..............9.................10 
2.............10..................9 
3..............9.................10 
4.............10..................9 
5..............9.................10 
6..............9.................10 
7.............10..................9 
8..............9.................10 
9..............9.................10 
10.............9.................10 
11.............9.................10 
12............10..................9 
Total........112................116 
Tom Kaczmarek: 
1..............9.................10 
2.............10..................9 
3.............10..................9 
4.............10..................9 
5..............9.................10 
6..............9.................10 
7.............10..................9 
8.............10..................9 
9..............9.................10 
10............10..................9 
11.............9.................10 
12............10..................9 
Total........115................113 
Mayweather by Split Decision

Talk:Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2007-05-06T15:35:21Z

Kbiz:

This bout is called here "the second biggest payday for two fighters in one bout". I thought de la Hoya got more against Hopkins. Is there anyone with informations about the dlH-Hopkins bout? - Deslizer

Deslizer, I think what they mean by that is the total purse for both fighters. If I had to guess, I think the total purse for the Lewis vs Tyson fight would have been bigger. Off the top of my head I think that purse was around $50 million total. - kbiz.

Official Scorecard from www.fightnews.com/oscar_floyd_scorecard.gif :

Round...Oscar De La Hoya...Floyd Mayweather Jr
Jerry Roth 
1..............9.................10
2.............10..................9
3.............10..................9
4.............10..................9
5..............9.................10
6..............9.................10
7.............10..................9
8..............9.................10
9.............10..................9
10.............9.................10
11.............9.................10
12.............9.................10
Total........113................115
Chuck Giampa:
1..............9.................10
2.............10..................9
3..............9.................10
4.............10..................9
5..............9.................10
6..............9.................10
7.............10..................9
8..............9.................10
9..............9.................10
10.............9.................10
11.............9.................10
12............10..................9
Total........112................116
Tom Kaczmarek:
1..............9.................10
2.............10..................9
3.............10..................9
4.............10..................9
5..............9.................10
6..............9.................10
7.............10..................9
8.............10..................9
9..............9.................10
10............10..................9
11.............9.................10
12............10..................9
Total........115................113
Mayweather by Split Decision

Talk:Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2007-05-06T15:34:28Z

Kbiz:

This bout is called here "the second biggest payday for two fighters in one bout". I thought de la Hoya got more against Hopkins. Is there anyone with informations about the dlH-Hopkins bout? - Deslizer

Deslizer, I think what they mean by that is the total purse for both fighters. If I had to guess, I think the total purse for the Lewis vs Tyson fight would have been bigger. Off the top of my head I think that purse was around $50 million total. - kbiz.

Official Scorecard from www.fightnews.com/oscar_floyd_scorecard.gif :

Round...Oscar De La Hoya...Floyd Mayweather Jr
Jerry Roth
1..............9.................10
2.............10..................9
3.............10..................9
4.............10..................9
5..............9.................10
6..............9.................10
7.............10..................9
8..............9.................10
9.............10..................9
10.............9.................10
11.............9.................10
12.............9.................10
Total........113................115
Chuck Giampa:
1..............9.................10
2.............10..................9
3..............9.................10
4.............10..................9
5..............9.................10
6..............9.................10
7.............10..................9
8..............9.................10
9..............9.................10
10.............9.................10
11.............9.................10
12............10..................9
Total........112................116
Tom Kaczmarek:
1..............9.................10
2.............10..................9
3.............10..................9
4.............10..................9
5..............9.................10
6..............9.................10
7.............10..................9
8.............10..................9
9..............9.................10
10............10..................9
11.............9.................10
12............10..................9
Total........115................113
Mayweather by Split Decision

Talk:Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Carlos Hernandez

2007-02-23T18:01:49Z

Kbiz: Floyd Voluntarily Took a Knee

The article makes it sound like Mayweather accidentally touched his glove to the ground, when in reality he took a step backwards and voluntarily took a knee. While the ref was counting, and for the rest of the round, it seemed as if Mayweather was seriously considering forfeiting the match due to the pain of the badly broken hand. Instead he opted to fight with one hand while ducking and dodging Hernandez's attack for the remainder of the fight. Mayweather was never in danger of losing a decision because he was most likely pitching a shut-out up to the point of the injury.