Category talk:World Champions By Nationality - Revision history

Emaster: updated

2012-01-20T16:43:28Z

updated

Emaster: listed more discrepancies between BoxRec and its encyclopaedia as to the nationalities of world champions (added pre modern sanctioning body world champions)

2009-09-14T20:29:54Z

listed more discrepancies between BoxRec and its encyclopaedia as to the nationalities of world champions (added pre modern sanctioning body world champions)

Emaster: listed discrepancies between BoxRec and its encyclopaedia as to the nationalities of world champions

2009-08-13T20:52:00Z

listed discrepancies between BoxRec and its encyclopaedia as to the nationalities of world champions

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	[[wikipedia:List of adjectival forms of place names#Nations\|Here's]] a list of the adjectival forms of place names.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)		[[wikipedia:List of adjectival forms of place names#Nations\|Here's]] a list of the adjectival forms of place names.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

	== ~~Criterion for Nationality~~? ==		== Discrepancies between BoxRec and its encyclopaedia ==
	~~What is the criterion for a champion~~'s ~~nationality? [[Vic Darchinyan]~~]~~, for instance, is included in~~ the ~~Armenian and Australian champions categories though his BoxRec profile solely says he is Armenian. [[Arthur Abraham]]'s~~ nationality ~~is stated German in~~ BoxRec ~~whereas he's only included in the Armenian champions category~~.		[http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=96750 Here's a discussion] on the nationality problem on the BoxRec forums.

	~~I propose that~~ the ~~category~~ (~~or categories~~) in ~~which a champion is to be included should fit his~~ BoxRec ~~nationality~~ (~~or nationalities~~).		Each of the following world champions is attributed two nationalities in the encyclopaedia; in BoxRec they are only attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities:
			*[[Adrian Diaconu]]: Romanian; Canadian
			*[[Carlos Alberto Hernandez]]: American; Salvadoran
			*[[Eamonn Loughran]]: Northern Irish (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Irish
			*[[Gairy St. Clair]]: Australian; Guyanese
			*[[Gilbert Dele]]: Guadeloupe; French
			*[[Henry Akinwande]]: English (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Nigerian
			*[[Herbie Hide]]: English (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Nigerian
			*[[Jean Pascal]]: Canadian; Haitian
			*[[Jesus Salud]]: American; Filipino
			*[[Joachim Alcine]]: Haitian; Canadian
			*[[Juan Diaz]]: American; Mexican
			*[[Kostya Tszyu]]: Australian; Russian
			*[[Lovemore N'dou]]: Australian; South African
			*[[Lucian Bute]]: Romanian; Canadian
			*[[Nonito Donaire]]: Filipino; American
			*[[Otis Grant]]: Jamaican; Canadian
			*[[Rocky Mattioli]]: Italian; Australian
			*[[Trevor Berbick]]: Canadian; Jamaican
			*[[Verno Phillips]]: American; Belizean
			*[[Vic Darchinyan]]: Armenian; Australian

	The ~~decision which nationality a boxer is allotted should be made~~ in BoxRec. ~~It could be based on his identity card or criteria others may suggest.~~		The following champions are attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities in BoxRec and the respective last-mentioned nationalities in the encyclopaedia:
			*[[Arthur Abraham]]: German; Armenian
			*[[Dennis Andries]]: United Kingdom; Guyanese
			*[[Gabriel Ruelas]]: Mexican; American
			*[[Hector Lizarraga]]: Mexican; American
			*[[Joel Casamayor]]: American; Cuban
			*[[Julio Diaz]]: Mexican; American
			*[[Khalid Rahilou]]: Moroccan; French
			*[[Livingstone Bramble]]: St. Kitts and Nevis; Virgin Island
			*[[Maselino Masoe]]: New Zealand; Samoan
			*[[Wayne McCullough]]: American; Northern Irish

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:45, ~~29 June 2008~~ (UTC)		I'd propose that the category (or categories) in which a champion is included match his BoxRec nationality (or nationalities). Thus, the encyclopaedia would not state other or more nationalities than BoxRec. If attributing multiple nationalities to boxers were desirable, BoxRec would have to be enabled to show more than one nationalty.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

			The following text refers to a former remark of mine that "the decision which nationality a boxer is allotted should be made in BoxRec."--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]]

	In theory, that would make sense, except that the BoxRec database is quite puzzling with regard to the nationality of its boxers. For example, both [[Joachim Alcine]] and [[Jean Pascal]] moved from Haiti to Canada when they were kids, both have Canadian citizenship, and both fight out of Canada for a Canadian promoter ([[GYM]]). The database lists Alcine's nationality as Haitian, and Pascal's as Canadian. There's just no way to reconcile that. I could give you a number of other examples		In theory, that would make sense, except that the BoxRec database is quite puzzling with regard to the nationality of its boxers. For example, both [[Joachim Alcine]] and [[Jean Pascal]] moved from Haiti to Canada when they were kids, both have Canadian citizenship, and both fight out of Canada for a Canadian promoter ([[GYM]]). The database lists Alcine's nationality as Haitian, and Pascal's as Canadian. There's just no way to reconcile that. I could give you a number of other examples
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	Just my two cents.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		Just my two cents.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


	By the way, please let me know when the editors make their decision. I might need to remove [[Otis Grant]], [[Joachim Alcine]], [[Lucian Bute]], and [[Adrian Diaconu]] from the Canadian World Champions category.		By the way, please let me know when the editors make their decision. I might need to remove [[Otis Grant]], [[Joachim Alcine]], [[Lucian Bute]], and [[Adrian Diaconu]] from the Canadian World Champions category.

	Thanks again. --[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 15:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		Thanks again. --[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 15:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Reenthelawman at 15:04, 21 July 2008

2008-07-21T15:04:04Z

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	Just my two cents.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		Just my two cents.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


			By the way, please let me know when the editors make their decision. I might need to remove [[Otis Grant]], [[Joachim Alcine]], [[Lucian Bute]], and [[Adrian Diaconu]] from the Canadian World Champions category.

			Thanks again. --[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 15:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Reenthelawman: adding further example to post

2008-07-21T15:01:49Z

adding further example to post

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	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

	In theory, that would make sense, except that the BoxRec database is quite puzzling with regard to the nationality of its boxers. For example, both [[Joachim Alcine]] and [[Jean Pascal]] moved from Haiti to Canada when they were kids, both have Canadian citizenship, and both fight out of Canada for a Canadian promoter ([[GYM]]). The database lists Alcine's nationality as Haitian, and Pascal's as Canadian. There's just no way to reconcile that. I could give you a number of other examples.		In theory, that would make sense, except that the BoxRec database is quite puzzling with regard to the nationality of its boxers. For example, both [[Joachim Alcine]] and [[Jean Pascal]] moved from Haiti to Canada when they were kids, both have Canadian citizenship, and both fight out of Canada for a Canadian promoter ([[GYM]]). The database lists Alcine's nationality as Haitian, and Pascal's as Canadian. There's just no way to reconcile that. I could give you a number of other examples

			[[Otis Grant]] for example, moved from Jamaica to Canada when he was 7 years old. He's listed as Jamaican. His brother [[Howard Grant]], who's in exactly the same situation, is listed as Canadian.

	I don't have a problem with boxers being listed as champions for different nationalities as long as a decent case can be made for each (place of birth, citizenship or permanent resident status).		I don't have a problem with boxers being listed as champions for different nationalities as long as a decent case can be made for each (place of birth, citizenship or permanent resident status).

	Just my two cents.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		Just my two cents.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Reenthelawman: giving opinion on nationality debate

2008-07-21T14:43:37Z

giving opinion on nationality debate

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	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

			In theory, that would make sense, except that the BoxRec database is quite puzzling with regard to the nationality of its boxers. For example, both [[Joachim Alcine]] and [[Jean Pascal]] moved from Haiti to Canada when they were kids, both have Canadian citizenship, and both fight out of Canada for a Canadian promoter ([[GYM]]). The database lists Alcine's nationality as Haitian, and Pascal's as Canadian. There's just no way to reconcile that. I could give you a number of other examples.

			I don't have a problem with boxers being listed as champions for different nationalities as long as a decent case can be made for each (place of birth, citizenship or permanent resident status).

			Just my two cents.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Emaster: Criterion for Nationality?

2008-06-29T20:45:22Z

Criterion for Nationality?

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	[[wikipedia:List of adjectival forms of place names#Nations\|Here's]] a list of the adjectival forms of place names.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)		[[wikipedia:List of adjectival forms of place names#Nations\|Here's]] a list of the adjectival forms of place names.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

			== Criterion for Nationality? ==
			What is the criterion for a champion's nationality? [[Vic Darchinyan]], for instance, is included in the Armenian and Australian champions categories though his BoxRec profile solely says he is Armenian. [[Arthur Abraham]]'s nationality is stated German in BoxRec whereas he's only included in the Armenian champions category.

			I propose that the category (or categories) in which a champion is to be included should fit his BoxRec nationality (or nationalities).

			The decision which nationality a boxer is allotted should be made in BoxRec. It could be based on his identity card or criteria others may suggest.

			--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Emaster: provided interwiki link to "List of adjectival forms of place names"

2008-04-04T20:40:57Z

provided interwiki link to "List of adjectival forms of place names"

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[[wikipedia:List of adjectival forms of place names#Nations|Here's]] a list of the adjectival forms of place names.--[[User:Emaster|Emaster]] 20:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

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	== Discrepancies between BoxRec and its encyclopaedia ==		==Discrepancies between BoxRec and its encyclopaedia==
	~~[http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=96750 Here's a discussion] on the nationality problem on the BoxRec forums.~~

	Each of the following world champions is attributed two nationalities in the encyclopaedia; in BoxRec they are only attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities:		Each of the following world champions is attributed two nationalities in the encyclopaedia; in BoxRec they are only attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities:
	*[[Adrian Diaconu]]: Romanian; Canadian		*[[Adrian Diaconu]]: Romanian; Canadian
			*[[Arthur Abraham]]: German; Armenian
	*[[Battling Siki]]: Senegalese; French		*[[Battling Siki]]: Senegalese; French
	*[[Carlos Alberto Hernandez]]: American; Salvadoran		*[[Carlos Alberto Hernandez]]: American; Salvadoran
	*[[~~Eamonn Loughran~~]]: ~~Northern Irish~~ (United Kingdom in BoxRec); ~~Irish~~		*[[Dennis Andries]]: English (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Guyanese
	*[[Gairy St. Clair]]: Australian; Guyanese		*[[Gairy St. Clair]]: Australian; Guyanese
	*[[Gilbert Dele]]: Guadeloupe; French		*[[Gilbert Dele]]: Guadeloupe; French
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	*[[Jean Pascal]]: Canadian; Haitian		*[[Jean Pascal]]: Canadian; Haitian
	*[[Jesus Salud]]: American; Filipino		*[[Jesus Salud]]: American; Filipino
	*[[Joachim Alcine]]: ~~Haitian;~~ Canadian		*[[Joachim Alcine]]: Canadian; Haitian
	*[[Johnny Caldwell]]: Northern Irish (United Kingdom in BoxRec); ~~Irish~~
	*[[Juan Diaz]]: American; Mexican		*[[Juan Diaz]]: American; Mexican
	*[[Kostya Tszyu]]: Australian; Russian		*[[Kostya Tszyu]]: Australian; Russian
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	*[[Nonito Donaire]]: Filipino; American		*[[Nonito Donaire]]: Filipino; American
	*[[Otis Grant]]: Jamaican; Canadian		*[[Otis Grant]]: Jamaican; Canadian
	*[[Rinty Monaghan]]: Northern Irish (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Irish
	*[[Rocky Mattioli]]: Italian; Australian		*[[Rocky Mattioli]]: Italian; Australian
	*[[Trevor Berbick]]: Canadian; Jamaican		*[[Trevor Berbick]]: Canadian; Jamaican
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	*[[Victor (Young) Perez]]: Tunisian; French		*[[Victor (Young) Perez]]: Tunisian; French

	The following champions are attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities in BoxRec and the respective last-mentioned nationalities in the encyclopaedia:		The following champions are attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities in BoxRec and the respective last-mentioned nationalities in the encyclopaedia:
	*[[Arthur Abraham]]: German; Armenian
	*[[Dennis Andries]]: United Kingdom; Guyanese
	*[[Frank Erne]]: Swiss; American		*[[Frank Erne]]: Swiss; American
	*[[Gabriel Ruelas]]: Mexican; American		*[[Gabriel Ruelas]]: Mexican; American
	*[[Hector Lizarraga]]: Mexican; American		*[[Hector Lizarraga]]: Mexican; American
	*[[Joel Casamayor]]: American; Cuban
	*[[Johnny Coulon]]: American; Canadian		*[[Johnny Coulon]]: American; Canadian
	*[[Julio Diaz]]: Mexican; American		*[[Julio Diaz]]: Mexican; American
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	*[[Wayne McCullough]]: American; Northern Irish		*[[Wayne McCullough]]: American; Northern Irish

	I'd propose that the category (or categories) in which a champion is included match his BoxRec nationality (or nationalities). Thus, the encyclopaedia would not state other or more nationalities than BoxRec. If attributing multiple nationalities to boxers ~~were~~ desirable, BoxRec would have to be enabled to show more than one nationalty.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)		I'd propose that the category (or categories) in which a champion is included match his BoxRec nationality (or nationalities). Thus, the encyclopaedia would not state other or more nationalities than BoxRec. If attributing multiple nationalities to boxers was desirable, BoxRec would have to be enabled to show more than one nationalty.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

	The following text refers to a former remark of mine that "the decision which nationality a boxer is allotted should be made in BoxRec."--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]]		The following text refers to a former remark of mine that "the decision which nationality a boxer is allotted should be made in BoxRec."--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]]
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	Thanks again. --[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 15:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)		Thanks again. --[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 15:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

			==See also==
			*Discussion about nationality [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=96750]

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	Each of the following world champions is attributed two nationalities in the encyclopaedia; in BoxRec they are only attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities:		Each of the following world champions is attributed two nationalities in the encyclopaedia; in BoxRec they are only attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities:
	*[[Adrian Diaconu]]: Romanian; Canadian		*[[Adrian Diaconu]]: Romanian; Canadian
			*[[Battling Siki]]: Senegalese; French
	*[[Carlos Alberto Hernandez]]: American; Salvadoran		*[[Carlos Alberto Hernandez]]: American; Salvadoran
	*[[Eamonn Loughran]]: Northern Irish (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Irish		*[[Eamonn Loughran]]: Northern Irish (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Irish
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	*[[Jesus Salud]]: American; Filipino		*[[Jesus Salud]]: American; Filipino
	*[[Joachim Alcine]]: Haitian; Canadian		*[[Joachim Alcine]]: Haitian; Canadian
			*[[Johnny Caldwell]]: Northern Irish (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Irish
	*[[Juan Diaz]]: American; Mexican		*[[Juan Diaz]]: American; Mexican
	*[[Kostya Tszyu]]: Australian; Russian		*[[Kostya Tszyu]]: Australian; Russian
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	*[[Nonito Donaire]]: Filipino; American		*[[Nonito Donaire]]: Filipino; American
	*[[Otis Grant]]: Jamaican; Canadian		*[[Otis Grant]]: Jamaican; Canadian
			*[[Rinty Monaghan]]: Northern Irish (United Kingdom in BoxRec); Irish
	*[[Rocky Mattioli]]: Italian; Australian		*[[Rocky Mattioli]]: Italian; Australian
	*[[Trevor Berbick]]: Canadian; Jamaican		*[[Trevor Berbick]]: Canadian; Jamaican
	*[[Verno Phillips]]: American; Belizean		*[[Verno Phillips]]: American; Belizean
	*[[Vic Darchinyan]]: Armenian; Australian		*[[Vic Darchinyan]]: Armenian; Australian
			*[[Victor (Young) Perez]]: Tunisian; French

	The following champions are attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities in BoxRec and the respective last-mentioned nationalities in the encyclopaedia:		The following champions are attributed the respective first-mentioned nationalities in BoxRec and the respective last-mentioned nationalities in the encyclopaedia:
	*[[Arthur Abraham]]: German; Armenian		*[[Arthur Abraham]]: German; Armenian
	*[[Dennis Andries]]: United Kingdom; Guyanese		*[[Dennis Andries]]: United Kingdom; Guyanese
			*[[Frank Erne]]: Swiss; American
	*[[Gabriel Ruelas]]: Mexican; American		*[[Gabriel Ruelas]]: Mexican; American
	*[[Hector Lizarraga]]: Mexican; American		*[[Hector Lizarraga]]: Mexican; American
	*[[Joel Casamayor]]: American; Cuban		*[[Joel Casamayor]]: American; Cuban
			*[[Johnny Coulon]]: American; Canadian
	*[[Julio Diaz]]: Mexican; American		*[[Julio Diaz]]: Mexican; American
	*[[Khalid Rahilou]]: Moroccan; French		*[[Khalid Rahilou]]: Moroccan; French
	*[[Livingstone Bramble]]: St. Kitts and Nevis; Virgin Island		*[[Livingstone Bramble]]: St. Kitts and Nevis; Virgin Island
	*[[Maselino Masoe]]: New Zealand; Samoan		*[[Maselino Masoe]]: New Zealand; Samoan
			*[[Nonpareil Jack Dempsey]]: Irish; American
	*[[Wayne McCullough]]: American; Northern Irish		*[[Wayne McCullough]]: American; Northern Irish