Charles (Kid) McCoy - Revision history

John at 21:12, 21 December 2025

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	'''Managers''': [[Frank Kelly]], [[Bob Benton]]		* [[:category:Charles Kid McCoy Gallery\|Charles Kid McCoy Gallery]]
			* '''Managers''': [[Frank Kelly]], [[Bob Benton]]

	According to the Feb. 10, 1900 ''Tacoma Evening News'' (Tacoma, WA, USA), Norman Selby got his boxing nickname from then-farmer T. A. McCoy of Anderson, Indiana. Earlier McCoy had been a meat butcher at Milroy, Ohio, where Selby had grown up. There was a bully in town by the name of Conde. Conde would frequently get drunk and beat up on people for fun. One day Conde was in McCoy's butcher shop drunk and belligerent. McCoy ordered him out but Conde refused. So McCoy gave Conde a thorough "whipping." When young Selby grew and "began to show his prowess [as a boxer] he was likened to the old butcher" and nicknamed "Kid McCoy."		According to the Feb. 10, 1900 ''Tacoma Evening News'' (Tacoma, WA, USA), Norman Selby got his boxing nickname from then-farmer T. A. McCoy of Anderson, Indiana. Earlier McCoy had been a meat butcher at Milroy, Ohio, where Selby had grown up. There was a bully in town by the name of Conde. Conde would frequently get drunk and beat up on people for fun. One day Conde was in McCoy's butcher shop drunk and belligerent. McCoy ordered him out but Conde refused. So McCoy gave Conde a thorough "whipping." When young Selby grew and "began to show his prowess [as a boxer] he was likened to the old butcher" and nicknamed "Kid McCoy."

Ric at 16:37, 23 August 2013

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	The Nov. 4, 1911 ''Daily Ledger'' (Tacoma, WA) reported that, with a Frank Peabody--a former central office detective--as a partner, Selby had opened a detective agency on Fifth Avenue in New York. In August 1912, McCoy was charged with larceny in London. [http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1912-08-03/ed-1/seq-20/]		The Nov. 4, 1911 ''Daily Ledger'' (Tacoma, WA) reported that, with a Frank Peabody--a former central office detective--as a partner, Selby had opened a detective agency on Fifth Avenue in New York. In August 1912, McCoy was charged with larceny in London. [http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1912-08-03/ed-1/seq-20/][http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1912-08-04/ed-1/seq-57/]

	On August 14, 1924, McCoy/Selby shot and killed Mrs. Theresa Mors, with whom he had been living as Mr. & Mrs. N. Shields in Los Angeles. (The murder is often incorrectly reported as occurring December 29.) The police theorized that she had been on the verge of a reconciliation with her former husband, Albert Mors, a wealthy antiques dealer. Several hours after killing Mrs. Mors, Selby entered the Mors Antique Shop and the next-door Schapp millinery establishment, looking for Albert Mors, who wasn't present. While waiting for Mors, Selby lined up the employees and patrons and robbed them. He also began to shoot up the place and wounded three people, including Samuel Schapp. He was later charged and convicted of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and manslaughter. He started to serve his sentence at California's San Quentin Prison April 11, 1925.		On August 14, 1924, McCoy/Selby shot and killed Mrs. Theresa Mors, with whom he had been living as Mr. & Mrs. N. Shields in Los Angeles. (The murder is often incorrectly reported as occurring December 29.) The police theorized that she had been on the verge of a reconciliation with her former husband, Albert Mors, a wealthy antiques dealer. Several hours after killing Mrs. Mors, Selby entered the Mors Antique Shop and the next-door Schapp millinery establishment, looking for Albert Mors, who wasn't present. While waiting for Mors, Selby lined up the employees and patrons and robbed them. He also began to shoot up the place and wounded three people, including Samuel Schapp. He was later charged and convicted of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and manslaughter. He started to serve his sentence at California's San Quentin Prison April 11, 1925.

Ric: Aug 1912: charged w/larceny

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Aug 1912: charged w/larceny

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	The Nov. 4, 1911 ''Daily Ledger'' (Tacoma, WA) reported that, with a Frank Peabody--a former central office detective--as a partner, Selby had opened a detective agency on Fifth Avenue in New York.		The Nov. 4, 1911 ''Daily Ledger'' (Tacoma, WA) reported that, with a Frank Peabody--a former central office detective--as a partner, Selby had opened a detective agency on Fifth Avenue in New York. In August 1912, McCoy was charged with larceny in London. [http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1912-08-03/ed-1/seq-20/]

	On August 14, 1924, McCoy/Selby shot and killed Mrs. Theresa Mors, with whom he had been living as Mr. & Mrs. N. Shields in Los Angeles. (The murder is often incorrectly reported as occurring December 29.) The police theorized that she had been on the verge of a reconciliation with her former husband, Albert Mors, a wealthy antiques dealer. Several hours after killing Mrs. Mors, Selby entered the Mors Antique Shop and the next-door Schapp millinery establishment, looking for Albert Mors, who wasn't present. While waiting for Mors, Selby lined up the employees and patrons and robbed them. He also began to shoot up the place and wounded three people, including Samuel Schapp. He was later charged and convicted of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and manslaughter. He started to serve his sentence at California's San Quentin Prison April 11, 1925.		On August 14, 1924, McCoy/Selby shot and killed Mrs. Theresa Mors, with whom he had been living as Mr. & Mrs. N. Shields in Los Angeles. (The murder is often incorrectly reported as occurring December 29.) The police theorized that she had been on the verge of a reconciliation with her former husband, Albert Mors, a wealthy antiques dealer. Several hours after killing Mrs. Mors, Selby entered the Mors Antique Shop and the next-door Schapp millinery establishment, looking for Albert Mors, who wasn't present. While waiting for Mors, Selby lined up the employees and patrons and robbed them. He also began to shoot up the place and wounded three people, including Samuel Schapp. He was later charged and convicted of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and manslaughter. He started to serve his sentence at California's San Quentin Prison April 11, 1925.

Ric: external IBRO article linked

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external IBRO article linked

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	'''Managers''': [[Frank Kelly]], [[Bob Benton]]		'''Managers''': [[Frank Kelly]], [[Bob Benton]]

	~~[[:Image:Charles (Kid) McCoy.6541.jpg\|Photo #4]]~~

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	According to the Feb. 10, 1900 ''Tacoma Evening News'' (Tacoma, WA, USA), Norman Selby got his boxing nickname from then-farmer T. A. McCoy of Anderson, Indiana. Earlier McCoy had been a meat butcher at Milroy, Ohio, where Selby had grown up. There was a bully in town by the name of Conde. Conde would frequently get drunk and beat up on people for fun. One day Conde was in McCoy's butcher shop drunk and belligerent. McCoy ordered him out but Conde refused. So McCoy gave Conde a thorough "whipping." When young Selby grew and "began to show his prowess [as a boxer] he was likened to the old butcher" and nicknamed "Kid McCoy."		According to the Feb. 10, 1900 ''Tacoma Evening News'' (Tacoma, WA, USA), Norman Selby got his boxing nickname from then-farmer T. A. McCoy of Anderson, Indiana. Earlier McCoy had been a meat butcher at Milroy, Ohio, where Selby had grown up. There was a bully in town by the name of Conde. Conde would frequently get drunk and beat up on people for fun. One day Conde was in McCoy's butcher shop drunk and belligerent. McCoy ordered him out but Conde refused. So McCoy gave Conde a thorough "whipping." When young Selby grew and "began to show his prowess [as a boxer] he was likened to the old butcher" and nicknamed "Kid McCoy."

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	It is said that the popular American phrase "The Real McCoy" refers to him.		It is said that the popular American phrase "The Real McCoy" refers to him.

			== External Links ==
			*''The Curious Case of Norman Selby'' by Kelly Nicholson: [http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=5303]

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Fasan at 15:53, 4 January 2011

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			[[:Image:Charles (Kid) McCoy.6541.jpg\|Photo #4]]

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Ric: added tidbit about Selby becoming a private eye

2010-02-20T18:30:52Z

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	McCoy was a cousin to John W. Lovett, a prominent attorney in eastern Indiana during the late 1800s, and who had unsuccessfully run for state Attorney General a couple of times. ''Tacoma Evening News''		McCoy was a cousin to John W. Lovett, a prominent attorney in eastern Indiana during the late 1800s, and who had unsuccessfully run for state Attorney General a couple of times. ''Tacoma Evening News''
	[[file:McCoy.Kid.jpg\|right\|Kid McCoy]]		[[file:McCoy.Kid.jpg\|right\|Kid McCoy]]

			The Nov. 4, 1911 ''Daily Ledger'' (Tacoma, WA) reported that, with a Frank Peabody--a former central office detective--as a partner, Selby had opened a detective agency on Fifth Avenue in New York.

	On August 14, 1924, McCoy/Selby shot and killed Mrs. Theresa Mors, with whom he had been living as Mr. & Mrs. N. Shields in Los Angeles. (The murder is often incorrectly reported as occurring December 29.) The police theorized that she had been on the verge of a reconciliation with her former husband, Albert Mors, a wealthy antiques dealer. Several hours after killing Mrs. Mors, Selby entered the Mors Antique Shop and the next-door Schapp millinery establishment, looking for Albert Mors, who wasn't present. While waiting for Mors, Selby lined up the employees and patrons and robbed them. He also began to shoot up the place and wounded three people, including Samuel Schapp. He was later charged and convicted of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and manslaughter. He started to serve his sentence at California's San Quentin Prison April 11, 1925.		On August 14, 1924, McCoy/Selby shot and killed Mrs. Theresa Mors, with whom he had been living as Mr. & Mrs. N. Shields in Los Angeles. (The murder is often incorrectly reported as occurring December 29.) The police theorized that she had been on the verge of a reconciliation with her former husband, Albert Mors, a wealthy antiques dealer. Several hours after killing Mrs. Mors, Selby entered the Mors Antique Shop and the next-door Schapp millinery establishment, looking for Albert Mors, who wasn't present. While waiting for Mors, Selby lined up the employees and patrons and robbed them. He also began to shoot up the place and wounded three people, including Samuel Schapp. He was later charged and convicted of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and manslaughter. He started to serve his sentence at California's San Quentin Prison April 11, 1925.

Wouter at 09:02, 10 August 2009

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	McCoy/Selby committed suicide in 1940. Death was attributed by the coroner to either an overdose of sleeping pills or poison. He left a note saying that, at age 66, he could no longer endure "this world's madness." Perhaps the growing World War attributed to his decision.		McCoy/Selby committed suicide in 1940. Death was attributed by the coroner to either an overdose of sleeping pills or poison. He left a note saying that, at age 66, he could no longer endure "this world's madness." Perhaps the growing World War attributed to his decision.

	His ring record, spanning 1891 to 1911, is often reported as 75 wins, 6 losses, 9 draws, and 13 no decisions.		His ring record, spanning 1891 to 1911, is often reported as 75 wins, 6 losses, 9 draws, and 13 no decisions. On August 10 1898 McCoy fought two exhibition matches in Saratoga Lake, New York; a 3-rounder with [[James E Payne]] and a 4-rounder with [[Jim Daly]].

	It is said that the popular American phrase "The Real McCoy" refers to him.		It is said that the popular American phrase "The Real McCoy" refers to him.

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	It is said that the popular American phrase "The Real McCoy" refers to him.		It is said that the popular American phrase "The Real McCoy" refers to him.

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	McCoy was a cousin to John W. Lovett, a prominent attorney in eastern Indiana during the late 1800s, and who had unsuccessfully run for state Attorney General a couple of times. ''Tacoma Evening News''		McCoy was a cousin to John W. Lovett, a prominent attorney in eastern Indiana during the late 1800s, and who had unsuccessfully run for state Attorney General a couple of times. ''Tacoma Evening News''
			[[file:McCoy.Kid.jpg\|right\|Kid McCoy]]
	On August 14, 1924, McCoy/Selby shot and killed Mrs. Theresa Mors, with whom he had been living as Mr. & Mrs. N. Shields in Los Angeles. (The murder is often incorrectly reported as occurring December 29.) The police theorized that she had been on the verge of a reconciliation with her former husband, Albert Mors, a wealthy antiques dealer. Several hours after killing Mrs. Mors, Selby entered the Mors Antique Shop and the next-door Schapp millinery establishment, looking for Albert Mors, who wasn't present. While waiting for Mors, Selby lined up the employees and patrons and robbed them. He also began to shoot up the place and wounded three people, including Samuel Schapp. He was later charged and convicted of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and manslaughter. He started to serve his sentence at California's San Quentin Prison April 11, 1925.		On August 14, 1924, McCoy/Selby shot and killed Mrs. Theresa Mors, with whom he had been living as Mr. & Mrs. N. Shields in Los Angeles. (The murder is often incorrectly reported as occurring December 29.) The police theorized that she had been on the verge of a reconciliation with her former husband, Albert Mors, a wealthy antiques dealer. Several hours after killing Mrs. Mors, Selby entered the Mors Antique Shop and the next-door Schapp millinery establishment, looking for Albert Mors, who wasn't present. While waiting for Mors, Selby lined up the employees and patrons and robbed them. He also began to shoot up the place and wounded three people, including Samuel Schapp. He was later charged and convicted of assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and manslaughter. He started to serve his sentence at California's San Quentin Prison April 11, 1925.

Ric: image of McCoy in his later years

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	Oddly enough, Asa Keyes, the Los Angeles district attorney who had prosecuted McCoy for the crimes which had incarcerated the pugilist, wound up himself a fellow San Quentin inmate. In April 1931, Keyes joined with 36 others in recommending to California Governor Rolph a full pardon for McCoy. McCoy had been a model prisoner. Others included Al Smith, U.S. Senators Royal S. Copeland and Robert F. Wagner (New York), New York City Mayor Walker, Governors Albert C. Ritchie (Maryland), John G. Pollard (Virginia), George W. P. Hunt (Arizona), and Fred Green (Michigan).		Oddly enough, Asa Keyes, the Los Angeles district attorney who had prosecuted McCoy for the crimes which had incarcerated the pugilist, wound up himself a fellow San Quentin inmate. In April 1931, Keyes joined with 36 others in recommending to California Governor Rolph a full pardon for McCoy. McCoy had been a model prisoner. Others included Al Smith, U.S. Senators Royal S. Copeland and Robert F. Wagner (New York), New York City Mayor Walker, Governors Albert C. Ritchie (Maryland), John G. Pollard (Virginia), George W. P. Hunt (Arizona), and Fred Green (Michigan).
			[[file:McCoy.Kid2.jpg\|right\|200px\|McCoy in his later years]]
	According to newspaper accounts of August 14, 1931, McCoy was scheduled to be released from prison December 11, 1932--six years early. It was expected that he would be employed as a physical instructor at the Ford Motor plant in Dearborn, Michigan. McCoy was eventually paroled in late August 1932, after serving eight years.		According to newspaper accounts of August 14, 1931, McCoy was scheduled to be released from prison December 11, 1932--six years early. It was expected that he would be employed as a physical instructor at the Ford Motor plant in Dearborn, Michigan. McCoy was eventually paroled in late August 1932, after serving eight years.