Fred (Dummy) Mahan - Revision history

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	Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).		Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).

	See also, [[:File:IBROA3.23-26.pdf\|"The Shattering of a Boxer's Dream"]] by Robert Soderman		See also:
			*[[:File:IBROA3.23-26.pdf\|"The Shattering of a Boxer's Dream"]] by Robert Soderman
			*''Boxing Beat'' article: [https://ibroresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/IBRO86.99-102.pdf]

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	Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).		Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).

			See also, [[:File:IBROA3.23-26.pdf\|"The Shattering of a Boxer's Dream"]] by Robert Soderman


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	[[Category:Deaf Boxers]]		[[Category:Deaf Boxers]]
	[[Category:Mexican American Boxers]]		[[Category:Mexican American Boxers]]

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	According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, '''Fred Mahan''' was a deaf-mute who carried the ~~politically incorrect~~ nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.") He had been born in Brackettville, Texas, in 1906 (exact date unknown). After his father died and his mother remarried, he took on the name of his step-father, William Mahan.		According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, '''Fred Mahan''' was a deaf-mute who carried the nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.") He had been born in Brackettville, Texas, in 1906 (exact date unknown). After his father died and his mother remarried, he took on the name of his step-father, William Mahan.

	The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf (he was eight months old). He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.		The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf (he was eight months old). He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.

Ric: main image replaced: image from David Roake of IBRO

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main image replaced: image from David Roake of IBRO

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	'''Manager:''' [[Fred Winsor\|Fred (Windy) Winsor]]<br>		'''Manager:''' [[Fred Winsor\|Fred (Windy) Winsor]]<br>
	[[:Image:Mahan.Fred.jpg\|Photo #2]], [[:File:Fred Mahan2.JPG\|Photo #3]]		[[:Image:Mahan.Fred.jpg\|Photo #2]], [[:File:Fred Mahan2.JPG\|Photo #3]], [[:File:Fred Mahan.JPG\|Photo #4]]

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	The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf (he was eight months old). He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.		The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf (he was eight months old). He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.

	Mahan became a professional boxer in 1923, and limited his fighting to the Texas area. In 1928 he ventured east to Ohio, then west to California, where he came under the management of Fred Winsor--a former soldier and railroad brakeman. His first match under Winsor was a win over [[Johnny Priston]] on January 9, 1929.		Mahan became a professional boxer in 1923, and limited his fighting to the Texas area. In 1928 he ventured east to Ohio, then west to California, where he came under the management of Fred Winsor--a former soldier and railroad brakeman. His first match under Winsor was a win over [[Johnny Priston]] on January 9, 1929. During his career Mahan fought many notable boxers, including [[Nobe Cervantes]], [[Jackie Fields]], [[Gorilla Jones]], [[Mushy Callahan]], [[Young Corbett III]] and [[Meyer Grace]].

	Per many day-after newspapers, on Feb. 24, 1930, Mahan went parachuting once again--in the hope that he could "cure" his deafness. (After previous parachuting falls, he had regained his hearing for a few hours at a time, papers had reported.) At Mills Field near San Francisco, Mahan boarded a plane piloted by Colonel Harry Abbott, inventor of the so-called "fool proof" parachute. At 3,200 feet Mahan jumped from the plane. But both the pilot and the main parachutes failed to fully open. He fell into some mudflats below and was killed. It was soon after determined that the shroud lines of the parachute had become entwined about one of his heels soon after he had jumped. The ''New York Times'' reported, however, that only his pilot parachute had opened, but Mahan had failed to heed Abbott's specific instruction to count to six before pulling the ripcord. The chute had struck the stabilizer of the plane and was shredded, and Mahan fell 5,000 feet to his death in a meadow. He was reported to have been 23-years-old when he died.		Per many day-after newspapers, on Feb. 24, 1930, Mahan went parachuting once again--in the hope that he could "cure" his deafness. (After previous parachuting falls, he had regained his hearing for a few hours at a time, papers had reported.) At Mills Field near San Francisco, Mahan boarded a plane piloted by Colonel Harry Abbott, inventor of the so-called "fool proof" parachute. At 3,200 feet Mahan jumped from the plane. But both the pilot and the main parachutes failed to fully open. He fell into some mudflats below and was killed. It was soon after determined that the shroud lines of the parachute had become entwined about one of his heels soon after he had jumped. The ''New York Times'' reported, however, that only his pilot parachute had opened, but Mahan had failed to heed Abbott's specific instruction to count to six before pulling the ripcord. The chute had struck the stabilizer of the plane and was shredded, and Mahan fell 5,000 feet to his death in a meadow. He was reported to have been 23-years-old when he died.

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	According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, ~~Mr.~~ '''Fred Mahan'''~~/Mesa~~ was a deaf-mute who carried the politically incorrect nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.") He had been born in Brackettville, Texas in 1906. After his father died and his mother remarried, he took on the name of his step-father, William Mahan.		According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, '''Fred Mahan''' was a deaf-mute who carried the politically incorrect nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.") He had been born in Brackettville, Texas, in 1906 (exact date unknown). After his father died and his mother remarried, he took on the name of his step-father, William Mahan.

	The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf (he was eight months old). He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.		The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf (he was eight months old). He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.

	Mahan became a professional boxer in 1923, and limited his fighting ~~ton~~ the Texas area. In 1928 he ventured east to Ohio, then west to California, where he came under the management of Fred Winsor--a former soldier and railroad brakeman. His first match under Winsor was a win over [[Johnny Priston]] on January 9, 1929.		Mahan became a professional boxer in 1923, and limited his fighting to the Texas area. In 1928 he ventured east to Ohio, then west to California, where he came under the management of Fred Winsor--a former soldier and railroad brakeman. His first match under Winsor was a win over [[Johnny Priston]] on January 9, 1929.

	Per many day-after newspapers, on Feb. 24, 1930, Mahan went parachuting once again--in the hope that he could "cure" his deafness. (After previous parachuting falls, he had regained his hearing for a few hours at a time, papers had reported.) At Mills Field near San Francisco, Mahan boarded a plane piloted by Colonel Harry Abbott, inventor of the so-called "fool proof" parachute. At 3,200 feet Mahan jumped from the plane. But both the pilot and the main parachutes failed to fully open. He fell into some mudflats below and was killed. It was soon after determined that the shroud lines of the parachute had become entwined about one of his heels soon after he jumped. The ''New York Times'' reported, however, that only his pilot parachute had opened, but Mahan had failed to heed Abbott's specific instruction to count to six before pulling the ripcord. The chute had struck the stabilizer of the plane and was shredded, and Mahan fell 5,000 feet to his death in a meadow.		Per many day-after newspapers, on Feb. 24, 1930, Mahan went parachuting once again--in the hope that he could "cure" his deafness. (After previous parachuting falls, he had regained his hearing for a few hours at a time, papers had reported.) At Mills Field near San Francisco, Mahan boarded a plane piloted by Colonel Harry Abbott, inventor of the so-called "fool proof" parachute. At 3,200 feet Mahan jumped from the plane. But both the pilot and the main parachutes failed to fully open. He fell into some mudflats below and was killed. It was soon after determined that the shroud lines of the parachute had become entwined about one of his heels soon after he had jumped. The ''New York Times'' reported, however, that only his pilot parachute had opened, but Mahan had failed to heed Abbott's specific instruction to count to six before pulling the ripcord. The chute had struck the stabilizer of the plane and was shredded, and Mahan fell 5,000 feet to his death in a meadow. He was reported to have been 23-years-old when he died.

	~~Exact date of birth unknown~~. He was reported to have been 23-years-old when he died.

	Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).		Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).

Ric: NYT has different version of fall; IBRO Annual Journal #3

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NYT has different version of fall; IBRO Annual Journal #3

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	According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, Mr. '''Fred Mahan'''/Mesa was a deaf-mute who carried the politically incorrect nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.")		According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, Mr. '''Fred Mahan'''/Mesa was a deaf-mute who carried the politically incorrect nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.") He had been born in Brackettville, Texas in 1906. After his father died and his mother remarried, he took on the name of his step-father, William Mahan.

	The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf. He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.		The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf (he was eight months old). He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.

	Per many day-after newspapers, on Feb. 24, 1930, Mahan went parachuting once again--in the hope that he could "cure" his deafness. (After previous parachuting falls, he had regained his hearing for a few hours at a time, papers had reported.) At Mills Field near San Francisco, Mahan boarded a plane piloted by Colonel Harry Abbott, inventor of the so-called "fool proof" parachute. At 3,200 feet Mahan jumped from the plane. But both the pilot and the main parachutes failed to fully open. He fell into some mudflats below and was killed. It was soon after determined that the shroud lines of the parachute had become entwined about one of his heels soon after he jumped.		Mahan became a professional boxer in 1923, and limited his fighting ton the Texas area. In 1928 he ventured east to Ohio, then west to California, where he came under the management of Fred Winsor--a former soldier and railroad brakeman. His first match under Winsor was a win over [[Johnny Priston]] on January 9, 1929.

			Per many day-after newspapers, on Feb. 24, 1930, Mahan went parachuting once again--in the hope that he could "cure" his deafness. (After previous parachuting falls, he had regained his hearing for a few hours at a time, papers had reported.) At Mills Field near San Francisco, Mahan boarded a plane piloted by Colonel Harry Abbott, inventor of the so-called "fool proof" parachute. At 3,200 feet Mahan jumped from the plane. But both the pilot and the main parachutes failed to fully open. He fell into some mudflats below and was killed. It was soon after determined that the shroud lines of the parachute had become entwined about one of his heels soon after he jumped. The ''New York Times'' reported, however, that only his pilot parachute had opened, but Mahan had failed to heed Abbott's specific instruction to count to six before pulling the ripcord. The chute had struck the stabilizer of the plane and was shredded, and Mahan fell 5,000 feet to his death in a meadow.

	Exact date of birth unknown. He was reported to have been 23-years-old when he died.		Exact date of birth unknown. He was reported to have been 23-years-old when he died.

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	'''Manager:''' [[Fred Winsor\|Fred (Windy) Winsor]]<br>		'''Manager:''' [[Fred Winsor\|Fred (Windy) Winsor]]<br>
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Ric at 20:31, 3 February 2013

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	'''Manager:''' [[Fred Winsor\|Fred (Windy) Winsor]]<br>		'''Manager:''' [[Fred Winsor\|Fred (Windy) Winsor]]<br>
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	According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, Mr. Mahan/Mesa was a deaf-mute who carried the politically incorrect nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.")		According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, Mr. '''Fred Mahan'''/Mesa was a deaf-mute who carried the politically incorrect nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.")

	The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf. He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.		The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf. He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.

Matt at 17:11, 16 April 2011

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	Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).		Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).

	[[Category:Deaf Boxers~~\|Mahan, Fred~~]]		{{DEFAULTSORT:Mahan, Fred}}
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Ric: updated

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	'''Manager''': [[Fred Winsor\|Fred (Windy) Winsor]]<br>		'''Manager:''' [[Fred Winsor\|Fred (Windy) Winsor]]<br>

	According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, Mr. Mahan/Mesa was a deaf-mute who carried the politically incorrect nickname ~~of the day for such people~~ of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.")		<br clear=all>
			According to the contemporary newspapers of the time, Mr. Mahan/Mesa was a deaf-mute who carried the politically incorrect nickname of "Dummy." (Another sour boxing moniker for boxers lacking vocal speech during these days was "Silent.")

	The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf. He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.		The Sept. 6, 1929 ''Seattle Star'' (Seattle, WA, USA) newspaper featured an article on Mahan. He was of Mexican heritage. Boxing commissions originally would not allow him to fight, because he couldn't hear or talk. His manager, [[Fred Winsor]], convinced them that Fred "was more intelligent than 80 per cent of the fighters who have their five senses." Mahan fell off a high chair when he was a baby and the shock made him deaf. He was unable to hear and develop his voice. His family came from Tombstone, AZ. His started fighting in the bootleg amateur clubs of Los Angeles.
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	Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).		Some of these day-after papers said the young Frederico Mesa was a veteran of some 100 career bouts (with 54 KOs).

	[[Category:Deaf Boxers\|Mahan, ~~Dummy~~]]		[[Category:Deaf Boxers\|Mahan, Fred]]