Fred Winsor - Revision history

Ric at 22:59, 26 May 2025

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	What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.		What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.

	Source for much of the above: ''The Interesting Career of Fred Winsor'', by Chuck Johnston, [[IBRO Journal Issue No. 75]], pp. 15-23		Source for much of the above: ''The Interesting Career of Fred Winsor'', by Chuck Johnston, [[IBRO Journal Issue No. 75]], pp. 15-23. [https://ibroresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/ibro-journal-75.15-23.pdf]


	[[Category:Managers\|Winsor, Fred]]		[[Category:Managers\|Winsor, Fred]]
	[[Category:Promoters\|Winsor, Fred]]		[[Category:Promoters\|Winsor, Fred]]

Ric at 21:27, 27 May 2021

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	[[File:Ridley-Winsor-Dempsey.jpg\|right\|thumb\|230px\|Bud Ridley, Fred Winsor, Jack Dempsey]]		[[File:Ridley-Winsor-Dempsey.jpg\|right\|thumb\|230px\|Bud Ridley, Fred Winsor, Jack Dempsey]]

	By early 1917 Winsor was managing future World Heavyweight Champion [[Jack Dempsey]]. (Winsor had been the promoter for Dempsey’s first bout with [[Fireman Jim Flynn]] at Murray, Utah.) But he was finding it tough getting bouts for Dempsey. In time, Dempsey moved on to be managed by [[Jack Kearns]]. Around this time Winsor also managed boxers [[Frank Barrieau]] of Canada and [[Tommy ~~O’Brien~~]] of Los Angeles. By 1919 Winsor was handling Seattle bantamweight [[Bud Ridley]]–-future Pacific Coast Champion and [[contender]]. By 1920, Winsor, his wife Genevieve, and Ridley were living together at a boarding house in San Francisco.		By early 1917 Winsor was managing future World Heavyweight Champion [[Jack Dempsey]]. (Winsor had been the promoter for Dempsey’s first bout with [[Fireman Jim Flynn]] at Murray, Utah.) But he was finding it tough getting bouts for Dempsey. In time, Dempsey moved on to be managed by [[Jack Kearns]]. Around this time Winsor also managed boxers [[Frank Barrieau]] of Canada and [[Tommy O'Brien]] of Los Angeles. By 1919 Winsor was handling Seattle bantamweight [[Bud Ridley]]–-future Pacific Coast Champion and [[contender]]. By 1920, Winsor, his wife Genevieve, and Ridley were living together at a boarding house in San Francisco.

	While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Jimmy Darcy]].		While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Jimmy Darcy]].

Ric at 03:56, 12 July 2020

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	While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Jimmy Darcy]].		While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Jimmy Darcy]].

	By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[take a dive\|took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.		By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, 1924, Fuente met [[Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[take a dive\|took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.

	Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Fred (Dummy) Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Tiger Johnny Cline]].		Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new [[USA: California Laws\|“Ten-Round Law”]] and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Fred (Dummy) Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Tiger Johnny Cline]].

	During the late 1930s, Winsor was promoting boxing shows in Watsonville, California. As of 1938, he also managing San Francisco Bantamweight Young Joe Roche.		During the late 1930s, Winsor was promoting boxing shows in Watsonville, California. As of 1938, he also managing San Francisco Bantamweight Young Joe Roche.
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	What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.		What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.

	Source: ''The Interesting Career of Fred Winsor'', by Chuck Johnston, [[IBRO Journal Issue No. 75]], pp. 15-23		Source for much of the above: ''The Interesting Career of Fred Winsor'', by Chuck Johnston, [[IBRO Journal Issue No. 75]], pp. 15-23

	[[Category:Managers\|Winsor, Fred]]		[[Category:Managers\|Winsor, Fred]]
	[[Category:Promoters\|Winsor, Fred]]		[[Category:Promoters\|Winsor, Fred]]

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	== Manager & Promoter ==		== Manager & Promoter ==

	'''Fred “Windy” Winsor''' was recognized in California for his ability as a boxing man, but he seemed to be a person who would self-destruct after getting himself into a good position. If he didn’t self-destruct, some things still went awry.		'''Fred “Windy” Winsor''' was recognized in California for his ability as a boxing man, but he seemed to be a person who would self-destruct after getting himself into a good position. If he didn’t self-destruct, some things still went awry.

	Little is known about his birth or youth. By 1915, however, during the Mexican Revolution, he could be found promoting bouts in Juarez, Mexico. Even then Winsor was faced with obstacles. Pancho Villa, the Mexican Revolution leader, ordered the promoter to stage his bouts in bullrings, and made Winsor pay a hefty price. Even under these conditions Winsor was able to bring in some well-known fighters, such as [[Battling Nelson]] and [[Bobby Waugh]].		Little is known about his birth or youth. By 1915, however, during the Mexican Revolution, he could be found promoting bouts in Juarez, Mexico. Even then Winsor was faced with obstacles. Pancho Villa, the Mexican Revolution leader, ordered the promoter to stage his bouts in bullrings, and made Winsor pay a hefty price. Even under these conditions Winsor was able to bring in some well-known fighters, such as [[Battling Nelson]] and [[Bobby Waugh]].
			[[File:Ridley-Winsor-Dempsey.jpg\|right\|thumb\|230px\|Bud Ridley, Fred Winsor, Jack Dempsey]]

	By early 1917 Winsor was managing future World Heavyweight Champion [[Jack Dempsey]]. (Winsor had been the promoter for Dempsey’s first bout with [[Fireman Jim Flynn]] at Murray, Utah.) But he was finding it tough getting bouts for Dempsey. In time, Dempsey moved on to be managed by [[Jack Kearns]]. Around this time Winsor also managed boxers [[Frank Barrieau]] of Canada and [[Tommy O’Brien]] of Los Angeles. By 1919 Winsor was handling Seattle bantamweight [[Bud Ridley]]–-future Pacific Coast Champion and [[contender]]. By 1920, Winsor, his wife Genevieve, and Ridley were living together at a boarding house in San Francisco.		By early 1917 Winsor was managing future World Heavyweight Champion [[Jack Dempsey]]. (Winsor had been the promoter for Dempsey’s first bout with [[Fireman Jim Flynn]] at Murray, Utah.) But he was finding it tough getting bouts for Dempsey. In time, Dempsey moved on to be managed by [[Jack Kearns]]. Around this time Winsor also managed boxers [[Frank Barrieau]] of Canada and [[Tommy O’Brien]] of Los Angeles. By 1919 Winsor was handling Seattle bantamweight [[Bud Ridley]]–-future Pacific Coast Champion and [[contender]]. By 1920, Winsor, his wife Genevieve, and Ridley were living together at a boarding house in San Francisco.

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	== Manager & Promoter ==		== Manager & Promoter ==

	Fred “Windy” Winsor was recognized in California for his ability as a boxing man, but he seemed to be a person who would self-destruct after getting himself into a good position. If he didn’t self-destruct, some things still went awry.		'''Fred “Windy” Winsor''' was recognized in California for his ability as a boxing man, but he seemed to be a person who would self-destruct after getting himself into a good position. If he didn’t self-destruct, some things still went awry.

	Little is known about his birth or youth. By 1915, however, during the Mexican Revolution, he could be found promoting bouts in Juarez, Mexico. Even then Winsor was faced with obstacles. Pancho Villa, the Mexican Revolution leader, ordered the promoter to stage his bouts in bullrings, and made Winsor pay a hefty price. Even under these conditions Winsor was able to bring in some well-known fighters, such as [[Battling Nelson]] and [[Bobby Waugh]].		Little is known about his birth or youth. By 1915, however, during the Mexican Revolution, he could be found promoting bouts in Juarez, Mexico. Even then Winsor was faced with obstacles. Pancho Villa, the Mexican Revolution leader, ordered the promoter to stage his bouts in bullrings, and made Winsor pay a hefty price. Even under these conditions Winsor was able to bring in some well-known fighters, such as [[Battling Nelson]] and [[Bobby Waugh]].

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	What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.		What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.

	Source: ''The Interesting Career of Fred Winsor'', by Chuck Johnston, [~~http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=IBRO_Journal_Issue_No._75~~ IBRO Journal #75], pp. 15-23		Source: ''The Interesting Career of Fred Winsor'', by Chuck Johnston, [[IBRO Journal Issue No. 75]], pp. 15-23

	[[Category:Managers\|Winsor, Fred]]		[[Category:Managers\|Winsor, Fred]]
	[[Category:Promoters\|Winsor, Fred]]		[[Category:Promoters\|Winsor, Fred]]

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	By early 1917 Winsor was managing future World Heavyweight Champion [[Jack Dempsey]]. (Winsor had been the promoter for Dempsey’s first bout with [[Fireman Jim Flynn]] at Murray, Utah.) But he was finding it tough getting bouts for Dempsey. In time, Dempsey moved on to be managed by [[Jack Kearns]]. Around this time Winsor also managed boxers [[Frank Barrieau]] of Canada and [[Tommy O’Brien]] of Los Angeles. By 1919 Winsor was handling Seattle bantamweight [[Bud Ridley]]–-future Pacific Coast Champion and [[contender]]. By 1920, Winsor, his wife Genevieve, and Ridley were living together at a boarding house in San Francisco.		By early 1917 Winsor was managing future World Heavyweight Champion [[Jack Dempsey]]. (Winsor had been the promoter for Dempsey’s first bout with [[Fireman Jim Flynn]] at Murray, Utah.) But he was finding it tough getting bouts for Dempsey. In time, Dempsey moved on to be managed by [[Jack Kearns]]. Around this time Winsor also managed boxers [[Frank Barrieau]] of Canada and [[Tommy O’Brien]] of Los Angeles. By 1919 Winsor was handling Seattle bantamweight [[Bud Ridley]]–-future Pacific Coast Champion and [[contender]]. By 1920, Winsor, his wife Genevieve, and Ridley were living together at a boarding house in San Francisco.

	While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[~~Boxer:Frankie Farren:058112\|~~Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Jimmy Darcy]].		While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Jimmy Darcy]].

	By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[take a dive\|took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.		By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[take a dive\|took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.

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	Fred “Windy” Winsor was recognized in California for his ability as a boxing man, but he seemed to be a person who would self-destruct after getting himself into a good position. If he didn’t self-destruct, some things still went awry.		Fred “Windy” Winsor was recognized in California for his ability as a boxing man, but he seemed to be a person who would self-destruct after getting himself into a good position. If he didn’t self-destruct, some things still went awry.

	Little is known about his birth or youth. By 1915, however, during the Mexican Revolution, he could be found promoting bouts in Juarez, Mexico. Even then Winsor was faced with obstacles. Pancho Villa, the Mexican Revolution leader, ordered the promoter to stage his bouts in bullrings, and made Winsor pay a hefty price. Even under these conditions Winsor was able to bring in some well-known fighters, such as [[~~Boxer:Battling Nelson:008998\|~~Battling Nelson]] and [[~~Boxer:Bobby Waugh:045500\|~~Bobby Waugh]].		Little is known about his birth or youth. By 1915, however, during the Mexican Revolution, he could be found promoting bouts in Juarez, Mexico. Even then Winsor was faced with obstacles. Pancho Villa, the Mexican Revolution leader, ordered the promoter to stage his bouts in bullrings, and made Winsor pay a hefty price. Even under these conditions Winsor was able to bring in some well-known fighters, such as [[Battling Nelson]] and [[Bobby Waugh]].

	By early 1917 Winsor was managing future World Heavyweight Champion [[~~Boxer:Jack_Dempsey:009009\|~~Jack Dempsey]]. (Winsor had been the promoter for Dempsey’s first bout with [[~~Boxer:Fireman_Jim_Flynn:011641\|~~Fireman Jim Flynn]] at Murray, Utah.) But he was finding it tough getting bouts for Dempsey. In time, Dempsey moved on to be managed by [[Jack Kearns]]. Around this time Winsor also managed boxers [[~~Boxer:Frank Barrieau:026161\|~~Frank Barrieau]] of Canada and [[~~Boxer:Tommy O'Brien:096344\|~~Tommy O’Brien]] of Los Angeles. By 1919 Winsor was handling Seattle bantamweight [[~~Boxer:Bud_Ridley:028588\|~~Bud Ridley]]–-future Pacific Coast Champion and [[contender]]. By 1920, Winsor, his wife Genevieve, and Ridley were living together at a boarding house in San Francisco.		By early 1917 Winsor was managing future World Heavyweight Champion [[Jack Dempsey]]. (Winsor had been the promoter for Dempsey’s first bout with [[Fireman Jim Flynn]] at Murray, Utah.) But he was finding it tough getting bouts for Dempsey. In time, Dempsey moved on to be managed by [[Jack Kearns]]. Around this time Winsor also managed boxers [[Frank Barrieau]] of Canada and [[Tommy O’Brien]] of Los Angeles. By 1919 Winsor was handling Seattle bantamweight [[Bud Ridley]]–-future Pacific Coast Champion and [[contender]]. By 1920, Winsor, his wife Genevieve, and Ridley were living together at a boarding house in San Francisco.

	While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Boxer:Frankie Farren:058112\|Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[~~Boxer:Al Walker:056977\|~~Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[~~Boxer:Oakland Jimmy Duffy:056827\|~~Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[~~Boxer:Jimmy Darcy:011317\|~~Jimmy Darcy]].		While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Boxer:Frankie Farren:058112\|Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Jimmy Darcy]].

	By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[~~Boxer:Tony Fuente:028099\|~~Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[~~Boxer:Fred Fulton:010596\|~~Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[take a dive\|took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.		By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[take a dive\|took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.

	Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[~~Boxer:Johnny McCoy:009888\|~~Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[~~Boxer:Tony Randolph:186328\|~~Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[~~Boxer:~~Fred (Dummy) ~~Mahan:050742\|Fred “Dummy”~~ Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[~~Boxer:Tiger Johnny Cline:013699\|~~Tiger Johnny Cline]].		Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Fred (Dummy) Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Tiger Johnny Cline]].

	During the late 1930s, Winsor was promoting boxing shows in Watsonville, California. As of 1938, he also managing San Francisco Bantamweight Young Joe Roche.		During the late 1930s, Winsor was promoting boxing shows in Watsonville, California. As of 1938, he also managing San Francisco Bantamweight Young Joe Roche.

	What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[~~Boxer:Billy Sullivan:060481\|~~Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.		What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.

	Source: ''The Interesting Career of Fred Winsor'', by Chuck Johnston, [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=IBRO_Journal_Issue_No._75 IBRO Journal #75], pp. 15-23		Source: ''The Interesting Career of Fred Winsor'', by Chuck Johnston, [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=IBRO_Journal_Issue_No._75 IBRO Journal #75], pp. 15-23

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	Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Boxer:Johnny McCoy:009888\|Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Boxer:Tony Randolph:186328\|Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Boxer:Fred (Dummy) Mahan:050742\|Fred “Dummy” Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Boxer:Tiger Johnny Cline:013699\|Tiger Johnny Cline]].		Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Boxer:Johnny McCoy:009888\|Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Boxer:Tony Randolph:186328\|Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Boxer:Fred (Dummy) Mahan:050742\|Fred “Dummy” Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Boxer:Tiger Johnny Cline:013699\|Tiger Johnny Cline]].

	During the late 1930s, Winsor was promoting boxing shows in Watsonville, California.		During the late 1930s, Winsor was promoting boxing shows in Watsonville, California. As of 1938, he also managing San Francisco Bantamweight Young Joe Roche.

	What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Boxer:Billy Sullivan:060481\|Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.		What happened to Fred Winsor after the late 1930s is largely unknown. In 1944 he was managing African-American Heavyweight [[Boxer:Billy Sullivan:060481\|Billy Sullivan]]. There was a Fred Winsor who died in San Mateo County December 9, 1955, according to the Rootsweb website. He had been born November 14, 1892 in New York.

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	While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Boxer:Frankie Farren:058112\|Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Boxer:Al Walker:056977\|Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Boxer:Oakland Jimmy Duffy:056827\|Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Boxer:Jimmy Darcy:011317\|Jimmy Darcy]].		While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Boxer:Frankie Farren:058112\|Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Boxer:Al Walker:056977\|Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Boxer:Oakland Jimmy Duffy:056827\|Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Boxer:Jimmy Darcy:011317\|Jimmy Darcy]].

	By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Boxer:Tony Fuente:028099\|Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[Boxer:Fred Fulton:010596\|Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.		By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Boxer:Tony Fuente:028099\|Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[Boxer:Fred Fulton:010596\|Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[take a dive\|took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.

	Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Boxer:Johnny McCoy:009888\|Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Boxer:Tony Randolph:186328\|Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Boxer:Fred (Dummy) Mahan:050742\|Fred “Dummy” Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Boxer:Tiger Johnny Cline:013699\|Tiger Johnny Cline]].		Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Boxer:Johnny McCoy:009888\|Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Boxer:Tony Randolph:186328\|Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Boxer:Fred (Dummy) Mahan:050742\|Fred “Dummy” Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Boxer:Tiger Johnny Cline:013699\|Tiger Johnny Cline]].

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	While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Boxer:Frankie Farren:058112\|Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Boxer:Al Walker:056977\|Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Boxer:Oakland Jimmy Duffy:056827\|Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Boxer:Jimmy Darcy:011317\|Jimmy Darcy]].		While most people seemed to like Ridley, Winsor rubbed people the wrong way. Soon Ridley was barred from boxing in a certain Sacramento ring because of an alleged prank Winsor had pulled. But this ban did not last long. Then, by July 1920, Ridley was barred in his own hometown of Seattle from boxing there so long as Winsor managed him. And ''San Francisco Chronicle'' Sports Editor [[Harry B. Smith]] criticized Winsor for “over-working” Ridley. Ridley abruptly left Winsor. Left without a fighter, Winsor tried to get San Francisco lightweight [[Boxer:Frankie Farren:058112\|Frankie Farren]], but Farren refused. But [[Boxer:Al Walker:056977\|Al Walker]], a capable California bantamweight, answered the call. So did [[Boxer:Oakland Jimmy Duffy:056827\|Oakland Jimmy Duffy]] and, for a brief period, [[Boxer:Jimmy Darcy:011317\|Jimmy Darcy]].

	By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Boxer:Tony Fuente:028099\|Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[Boxer:Fred Fulton:010596\|Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.		By 1923 Winsor was the promoter for the [[Madison Square Garden Club]] in Los Angeles, and by late 1924 the [[Culver City American Legion Post]] boxing club. He was also handling heavyweight [[Boxer:Tony Fuente:028099\|Tony Fuente]]. On November 17, Fuente met [[Boxer:Fred Fulton:010596\|Fred Fulton]] in the Culver City American Legion ring. Fulton "[[take a dive\|took a dive]]" 35 seconds after the opening bell. The crowd rioted and threw storms of cushions into the ring. It was later alleged Fulton had taken an extra $7,500 to "lie down." His manager, [[Jack Reddy]], admitted to investigating boxing officials that Fulton had warned his friends to refrain from betting on him. Fuente, Winsor, Fulton and Reddy all were arrested eventually. Fuente dumped Winsor as his manager.

	Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Boxer:Johnny McCoy:009888\|Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Boxer:Tony Randolph:186328\|Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Boxer:Fred (Dummy) Mahan:050742\|Fred “Dummy” Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Boxer:Tiger Johnny Cline:013699\|Tiger Johnny Cline]].		Winsor was unable to get a manager’s license in California for over a year once California’s new “Ten-Round Law” and governing state athletic commission went into effect at the beginning of 1925. He had to wait until April 1926. By 1927 he was handling [[Boxer:Johnny McCoy:009888\|Johnny McCoy]] when he won the California state version of the Vacant World Flyweight Title. By 1928 Winsor had [[Boxer:Tony Randolph:186328\|Tony Randolph]] in his stable; then [[Boxer:Fred (Dummy) Mahan:050742\|Fred “Dummy” Mahan]]; and, by 1930, [[Boxer:Tiger Johnny Cline:013699\|Tiger Johnny Cline]].