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Emaster: updated

2012-03-21T01:12:09Z

updated

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	The [[special:Allpages\|All pages special]] lists [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Boxer%3AAbel_Cachaz%FA%3A045376 some pages] which do not exist (any more), with all page titles containing special characters except for two: [[Boxer:Umberto Magliocchetti (Maggi):123978]] (See [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Boxer%3AUmberto_Magliocchetti__%28Maggi%29%3A123978 here].) and [[Steve Conway vs. Mihaly Kotai (1st. meeting)]] (See [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Steve_Conway_vs._Mihaly_Kotai_%281st._meeting%29 here].). Some of them are even included in categories:		The [[special:Allpages\|All pages special]] lists [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Boxer%3AAbel_Cachaz%FA%3A045376 some pages] which do not exist (any more), with all page titles containing special characters except for two: [[Boxer:Umberto Magliocchetti (Maggi):123978]] (See [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Boxer%3AUmberto_Magliocchetti__%28Maggi%29%3A123978 here].) and [[Steve Conway vs. Mihaly Kotai (1st. meeting)]] (See [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Steve_Conway_vs._Mihaly_Kotai_%281st._meeting%29 here].). Some of them are even included in categories:
	*[[Boxer:Pascual ~~P?rez~~:009037]]:		*[[Boxer:Pascual Pérez:009037]]:
	**[[:Category:World Flyweight Champions\|World Flyweight Champions category]]		**[[:Category:World Flyweight Champions\|World Flyweight Champions category]]
	**[[:Category:Argentine World Champions]]		**[[:Category:Argentine World Champions]]
	**[[:Category:Olympic Gold Medalists]]		**[[:Category:Olympic Gold Medalists]]
	**[[:Category:IBHOF Members]]		**[[:Category:IBHOF Members]]
	*[[Boxer:Luis Manuel ~~Rodr?guez~~:008046]]		*[[Boxer:Luis Manuel Rodríguez:008046]]
	**[[:Category:Cuban World Champions]]		**[[:Category:Cuban World Champions]]
	*[[Boxer:~~V?ctor Avenda?o~~:151254]]		*[[Boxer:Víctor Avendaño:151254]]
	**[[:Category:Olympic Gold Medalists]]		**[[:Category:Olympic Gold Medalists]]
	*[[Boxer:~~Istv?n Kov?cs~~:007490]]		*[[Boxer:István Kovács:007490]]
	**[[:Category:Olympic Gold Medalists]]		**[[:Category:Olympic Gold Medalists]]

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	The fact that IDs belonging to deleted records still work when embedded in human code (<nowiki><human></nowiki>''ID''<nowiki></human></nowiki>) may be related to the fact that the death code (<nowiki><deaths></nowiki>''year''</deaths>) even generates internal links to humans' wiki pages which belong to deleted records if the respective humans' death dates had been inserted into the now-deleted BoxRec profiles when they were still existing (see [[:Category:2010 Deaths\|Temuzin Rambing's entries]] on 2010-07-24). To fix that the death dates need to be removed from deleted profiles, which are still editable.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 10:39, 20 January 2012 (CST)		The fact that IDs belonging to deleted records still work when embedded in human code (<nowiki><human></nowiki>''ID''<nowiki></human></nowiki>) may be related to the fact that the death code (<nowiki><deaths></nowiki>''year''</deaths>) even generates internal links to humans' wiki pages which belong to deleted records if the respective humans' death dates had been inserted into the now-deleted BoxRec profiles when they were still existing (see [[:Category:2010 Deaths\|Temuzin Rambing's entries]] on 2010-07-24). To fix that the death dates need to be removed from deleted profiles, which are still editable.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 10:39, 20 January 2012 (CST)

			The death code does not generate unspecified January dates: [[Jackie Scott]] is not listed among the [[:Category:2012 Deaths\|deaths in 2012]] although 2012-01-00 has been entered as his death date.

	The boxer/human code does not generate the names of certain countries in the Birthplace, Nationality, or Hometown fields:		The boxer/human code does not generate the names of certain countries in the Birthplace, Nationality, or Hometown fields:
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	Human code-generated '''Supervising Record''' links should link to URLs including "bouts" instead of "shows" (<nowiki>http://boxrec.com/list_</nowiki>'''bouts'''.php?human_id=403588&cat=supervisor instead of <nowiki>http://boxrec.com/list_</nowiki>'''shows'''.php?human_id=403588&cat=supervisor)		Human code-generated '''Supervising Record''' links should link to URLs including "bouts" instead of "shows" (<nowiki>http://boxrec.com/list_</nowiki>'''bouts'''.php?human_id=403588&cat=supervisor instead of <nowiki>http://boxrec.com/list_</nowiki>'''shows'''.php?human_id=403588&cat=supervisor)

	If no country is shown on a nonboxer's profile, the human code generates a blank country field on the corresponding wiki page instead of omitting the field (see, for instance, the ~~pages~~ of ~~manager~~ [[~~Sebastian Revetria~~]]~~, promoter~~ [[~~Gus Robinson~~]] ~~or supervisor~~ [[~~Shigeru Kojima~~]]).--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 10:39, 20 ~~January~~ 2012 (~~CST~~)		If no country is shown on a nonboxer's profile, the human code generates a blank country field on the corresponding wiki page instead of omitting the field (see, for instance, the page of promoter [[Gus Robinson]]).--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 10:39, 20 January 2012 (CST)

			An [[:Category:Photo Gallery\|image gallery]] bug has been discussed [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=136165 here].--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:12, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

	==Code and resulting data==		==Code and resulting data==
	===Human code===		===Human code===
	~~Some fields should be shown on all kinds of BoxRec profiles:~~		The human code should generate links to the records of inspectors ('''Inspecting Record''') and the BoxRec pages of managers.

	*name
	*Global ID
	*sex
	*birth date
	*death date including age at death
	*alias/alternative spellings
	*nationality
	*residence
	*birth place
	*birth name

	~~All of the above-mentioned fields should be generated by the~~ human code ~~on human pages, maybe except for~~ the ~~"Global ID." As explained in the fourth paragraph~~ of ~~[[Help talk:Contents#Boxer Pages\|this section]], all of a human~~'~~s aliases and alternative spellings should be listed on their BoxRec profiles~~ and ~~generated by~~ the ~~human code.~~

	~~Other fields should only be displayed on~~ BoxRec ~~profiles~~ of ~~boxers:~~

	*suspensions
	*manager/agent
	*division
	*rating
	*stance
	*height
	*reach
	*US ID
	*alias

	Only some of the above-mentioned fields are generated by the human code on boxer pages: the "alias", the "stance", the "height", and the "reach". Maybe others should be created, too, even if their content changes frequently. A fighter's record could also be generated on his boxer page.

	~~The "Company Name" is displayed on~~ the ~~BoxRec profiles of promoters and managers but not generated by the human code~~.		It could also create the career range.

	~~The human code~~ should ~~also create links to~~ the ~~records of inspectors ('''Inspecting Record''') and managers' BoxRec pages~~.		"Hometown" should be renamed "Residence" as that location is not necessarily entered as specific as the town/city.

	===Fight code===		===Fight code===
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	In any case the qualities could be prioritized (e.g. alias > function > weight division > residence/origin > era), i.e of the known qualities of a boxer that which is assigned the highest priority should be added. Its representation could be defined as well (e.g. in case of residence/origin: (of) city, (abbreviated) state, country).		In any case the qualities could be prioritized (e.g. alias > function > weight division > residence/origin > era), i.e of the known qualities of a boxer that which is assigned the highest priority should be added. Its representation could be defined as well (e.g. in case of residence/origin: (of) city, (abbreviated) state, country).

	Sometimes a boxer is known under more than one name or his name can be spelt in various ways. ~~In these cases redirect~~ pages should be created ~~and each version of the name ought to be listed~~ in ~~the boxer's BoxRec profile as well. All alternative spellings should also be generated by the human code. Otherwise editors do not know whether~~ a ~~redirect includes a typo and should be deleted or has been created deliberately. In the~~ case ~~of a pure amateur, the different name spellings should be added at the top of the page manually~~.		Sometimes a boxer is known under more than one name or his name can be spelt in various ways. Redirect pages should be created in such a case.

	If a boxer has altered his name during his career, this is reflected in title fights lists, title lineages, or title succession boxes on boxer pages: For instance, Eddie Gregory has changed his name to [[Eddie Mustafa Muhammad]] after winning the WBA light heavyweight championship from [[Marvin Johnson]]. Later, he lost his title to [[Michael Spinks]]. On Johnson's boxer page the name Eddie Gregory appears in a succession box as Johnson's successor. The name Eddie Mustafa Muhammad appears in a succession box on Michael Spinks's boxer page as Spinks's predecessor.		If a boxer has altered his name during his career, this is reflected in title fights lists, title lineages, or title succession boxes on boxer pages: For instance, Eddie Gregory has changed his name to [[Eddie Mustafa Muhammad]] after winning the WBA light heavyweight championship from [[Marvin Johnson]]. Later, he lost his title to [[Michael Spinks]]. On Johnson's boxer page the name Eddie Gregory appears in a succession box as Johnson's successor. The name Eddie Mustafa Muhammad appears in a succession box on Michael Spinks's boxer page as Spinks's predecessor.
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	\| bgcolor=#ffdead colspan="5" align="center" \| '''CURRENT TITLE HOLDERS'''		\| bgcolor=#ffdead colspan="5" align="center" \| '''CURRENT TITLE HOLDERS'''
	\|-		\|-
	\| align="center" \| Super Middleweight \|\| align="center" \| [[Joe Calzaghe]]<br>[[Mikkel Kessler]] \|\| align="center" \| 2007 Nov 3<sup><font color="red">SC</font></sup><br>2008 Jun 21 \|\| align="center" \| [[WBA Super Middleweight Champion\|Title Lineage]] \|\| align="center" \| [[WBA Super Middleweight Title Fights\|Title Fights]]		\| align="center" \| Super Middleweight \|\| align="center" \| [[Joe Calzaghe]]<br>[[Mikkel Kessler]] \|\| align="center" \| 2007 Nov 3 <sup><font color="red">SC</font></sup><br>2008 Jun 21 \|\| align="center" \| [[WBA Super Middleweight Champion\|Title Lineage]] \|\| align="center" \| [[WBA Super Middleweight Title Fights\|Title Fights]]
	\|}		\|}
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Emaster: suggested expansion of deaths by year categories and expanded on BoxRec vs. wiki user conflict in connection with death code-generated links

2012-03-01T01:46:54Z

suggested expansion of deaths by year categories and expanded on BoxRec vs. wiki user conflict in connection with death code-generated links

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	--[[User:Ric\|Ric]] 19:29, 15 Aug 2005 (CDT)		--[[User:Ric\|Ric]] 19:29, 15 Aug 2005 (CDT)

	==Deleting certain fight pages?==		==Deleting certain fight/human pages?==
	Some fight pages do not provide ~~more~~ information ~~than~~ the BoxRec database: Only the fight code ~~is inserted~~ or ~~only~~ details are given which have been inserted into ~~the~~ BoxRec ~~database~~, too~~. Thus clicking on these fight pages does not provide users with any further information~~ (assuming they are entering the fight page from the BoxRec database, which should be the usual case) so that deleting them would save users time. On the other hand, editors might want to add more information to these pages in the future.		Some fight or human pages do not provide additional information in comparison with the BoxRec database: Only the fight or human code has been entered or merely details are given which have been inserted into BoxRec, too (see [[Wladimir Klitschko vs. Fabio Eduardo Moli\|here]], for instance). Thus, clicking on such fight or human pages is a waste of time for BoxRec users.

	~~Example:~~

	~~[[Ricky Hatton vs. Colin McAuley]] to be compared with [http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=7946 the same fight in the BoxRec database]~~

	~~or even:~~

	[[Wladimir Klitschko vs. Fabio Eduardo Moli]] ~~to be compared with [http://boxrec~~.~~com/show_display.php?show_id=323678 the same~~ fight ~~in the~~ BoxRec ~~database]~~

	Deleting or keeping them?		Deleting or keeping them?
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	It's probably too late, as I see that you've been implementing the policy above, but I wanted to share my thoughts on the matter.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 19:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)		It's probably too late, as I see that you've been implementing the policy above, but I wanted to share my thoughts on the matter.--[[User:Reenthelawman\|Reenthelawman]] 19:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

	Users ~~who are~~ watching BoxRec boxer pages do not benefit from links to boxer or fight wiki pages which merely show code-generated information as these data are already shown on the BoxRec boxer pages themselves. If such users click on open blue book icons, they don't gain further information but lose time instead.		Users watching BoxRec boxer pages do not benefit from links to boxer or fight wiki pages which merely show code-generated information as these data are already shown on the BoxRec boxer pages themselves. If such users click on open blue book icons, they don't gain further information but lose time instead.

	On the other hand, users who are reading in the encyclopaedia benefit from links to those pages as even code-generated data are additional information from their perspective.		On the other hand, users who are reading in the encyclopaedia benefit from links to those pages as even code-generated data are additional information from their perspective.

	How can this conflict of interests be resolved? ~~Assuming that~~ fight ~~and boxer~~ pages have been moved to proper titles, pages ~~whose~~ titles ~~look~~ like "Fight:12345" or "Human:12345" have become redirect pages connecting the fight ~~and boxer~~ pages to which they redirect to BoxRec. ~~These~~ redirects ~~ought to~~ be deleted so that the blue book icons close. Thus BoxRec users would not open ~~encyclopaedia~~ pages with no additional data any more while ~~encyclopaedia~~ users ~~would~~ still ~~be provided with links to boxer and~~ fight pages which only show code-generated information.		How can this conflict of interests be resolved? If fight or human pages have been moved to proper titles, pages with titles like "Fight:12345" or "Human:12345" have become redirect pages connecting the fight or human pages to which they redirect to BoxRec. Those redirects could be deleted so that the blue book icons close. Thus, BoxRec users would not open wiki pages with no additional data any more while wiki users could still access human or fight pages which only show code-generated information.

	This ~~procedure~~ would bring the danger of duplicate pages though. ~~If editors see a~~ closed blue book ~~icon~~, ~~they~~ might start editing ~~it and create a duplicate page~~. If they then tried to move the newly created page to a title which exactly agrees with the title of ~~the already existing~~ duplicate page, there would be a notification and the editors ~~would probably~~ merge the pages. But reorganization would still be required and some bits of information entered on the newer page, for instance the fight or human code, might be the same which had already been ~~shown on~~ the older page so that unnecessary work ~~would~~ would have been done. To save editors such trouble there could be ~~guidelines on~~ the ~~[[Help:Contents\|Help page]]~~ telling editors to first find out if the fight or ~~boxer~~ page they want to work on already exists by using the search box. If that is the case, a redirect page, which will open the blue book icon, should be created. Then, the already existing page could be edited.		This would bring about the danger of creating duplicate pages, though. When encountering closed blue book icons, editors might just start editing the corresponding wiki pages, possibly creating duplicates. If they then tried to move the newly created page to a title which exactly agrees with the title of a duplicate page, there would be a notification and the editors could merge the pages. But reorganization would still be required and some bits of information entered on the newer page, for instance the fight or human code, might be the same which had already been entered into the older page so that unnecessary work would have been done. To save editors such trouble there could be another warning below the editing window, telling editors to first find out if the fight or human page they want to work on already exists by using the search box. If that is the case, a redirect page, which will open the blue book icon, should be created. Then, the already existing page could be edited.

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 01:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 01:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
			:Deleting redirects is not a solution to the same problem in connection with [[:Category:Deaths By Year\|death code-generated links]], though. The death code generates internal links to the wiki pages of humans into whose BoxRec profiles their death dates have been inserted. Like blue books linking to human wiki pages, death code-generated links link to pages with titles like "Human:12345," which become redirect pages after being moved to proper titles. Deleting the redirects on behalf of BoxRec users, which seems to be appropriate if the wiki pages the redirects link to do not provide additional information in comparison with BoxRec, would not only close the blue books belonging to them but also disable death code-generated links. Thus, BoxRec user and wiki user interests cannot be conciliated by deleting redirects.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 19:46, 29 February 2012 (CST)

	I'm more opposed to the PetePod (Red) edits that seem to be done for no apparent purpose. Edits that are for a constructive purpose such as yours are fine, if they are in the context of a project such as yours.--[[User:Matt Tegen\|Matt Tegen]] 05:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)		I'm more opposed to the PetePod (Red) edits that seem to be done for no apparent purpose. Edits that are for a constructive purpose such as yours are fine, if they are in the context of a project such as yours.--[[User:Matt Tegen\|Matt Tegen]] 05:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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	In which order should categories be placed on wiki pages? Couldn't they be sorted automatically irrespective of the order in which they've been entered?		In which order should categories be placed on wiki pages? Couldn't they be sorted automatically irrespective of the order in which they've been entered?

	~~Shouldn~~'t the [[:Category:~~Officials~~\|~~Officials category~~]] ~~just list subcategories such as~~ [[:Category:~~Judges~~\|~~Judges~~]] ~~and [[:~~Category:~~Referees\|Referees]]~~? Supervisors, inspectors, time-keepers and other groups of officials could be included in their own specific categories ~~instead of~~ being listed in the generic Officials category.		The death code ("<nowiki><deaths></nowiki>''year''</deaths>"), which lists the deaths of boxing-related people in a calendar year in chronological order, has been inserted into [[:Category:Deaths By Year\|the deaths by year categories]], which begin with [[:Category:2005 Deaths\|the year 2005]]. The categories also list those pages in alphabetical order the respective category code ("Category:''year'' Deaths") has been entered into.

			How about creating deaths by year categories for previous years, too?

			Supervisors, inspectors, time-keepers and other groups of officials could also be included in their own specific categories besides being listed in the generic [[:Category:Officials\|Officials category]].

	Possible further categories: Category:World Champions who lost/did not win their professional ~~debut~~; Category:Living World Champions; Categories containing World Title Fights:		Possible further categories: "Category:World Champions who lost/did not win their professional debuts"; "Category:Living World Champions"; Categories containing World Title Fights:

	===Title fights sorted by year or country?===		===Title fights sorted by year or country?===
	The [[Title Fights in 2006]] and [[World Title Fights Held in Canada]] lists could be further developed and taken as examples for lists representing world title fights sorted by year or country respectively~~. Category codes~~ inserted into fight pages ~~could be used~~ instead (Category:World Title Fights in ''Year''; Category:World Title Fights held in ''Country'').--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)		The [[Title Fights in 2006]] and [[World Title Fights Held in Canada]] lists could be further developed and taken as examples for lists representing world title fights sorted by year or country respectively or category code could be inserted into fight pages instead ("Category:World Title Fights in ''Year''"; "Category:World Title Fights held in ''Country''").--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

	In the case of the USA subcategories could be created for states (Category:World Title Fights held in ''State'').--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)		In the case of the USA subcategories could be created for states ("Category:World Title Fights held in ''State''").--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

	==The Ring Magazine/Lineal Title==		==The Ring Magazine/Lineal Title==

Emaster: made suggestions on "categories", added link to discussion on succession boxes and removed fixed bug

2012-01-31T20:25:22Z

made suggestions on "categories", added link to discussion on succession boxes and removed fixed bug

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	The fact that IDs belonging to deleted records still work when embedded in human code (<nowiki><human></nowiki>''ID''<nowiki></human></nowiki>) may be related to the fact that the death code (<nowiki><deaths></nowiki>''year''</deaths>) even generates internal links to humans' wiki pages which belong to deleted records if the respective humans' death dates had been inserted into the now-deleted BoxRec profiles when they were still existing (see [[:Category:2010 Deaths\|Temuzin Rambing's entries]] on 2010-07-24). To fix that the death dates need to be removed from deleted profiles, which are still editable.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 10:39, 20 January 2012 (CST)		The fact that IDs belonging to deleted records still work when embedded in human code (<nowiki><human></nowiki>''ID''<nowiki></human></nowiki>) may be related to the fact that the death code (<nowiki><deaths></nowiki>''year''</deaths>) even generates internal links to humans' wiki pages which belong to deleted records if the respective humans' death dates had been inserted into the now-deleted BoxRec profiles when they were still existing (see [[:Category:2010 Deaths\|Temuzin Rambing's entries]] on 2010-07-24). To fix that the death dates need to be removed from deleted profiles, which are still editable.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 10:39, 20 January 2012 (CST)

	~~The death code does not generate [[Brian Curvis\|Brian Curvis's name]] among the [[:Category:2012 Deaths\|deaths in 2012]] although 2012-01-00 has been entered as his death date.~~

	The boxer/human code does not generate the names of certain countries in the Birthplace, Nationality, or Hometown fields:		The boxer/human code does not generate the names of certain countries in the Birthplace, Nationality, or Hometown fields:
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	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

	==~~Title fights sorted by year or country?~~==		==Categories==
	~~The [[Title Fights in 2006]] and [[World Title Fights Held in Canada]] lists could~~ be ~~further developed and taken as examples for lists representing world title fights sorted by year or country respectively. Category codes~~ placed on ~~fight~~ pages ~~would accomplish that as well (Category:World Title Fights in~~ '~~'Year''; Category:World Title Fights held~~ in '~~'Country'').--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)~~		In which order should categories be placed on wiki pages? Couldn't they be sorted automatically irrespective of the order in which they've been entered?

	In case of the USA subcategories could be created for states (Category:World Title Fights held in ''State'').--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)		Shouldn't the [[:Category:Officials\|Officials category]] just list subcategories such as [[:Category:Judges\|Judges]] and [[:Category:Referees\|Referees]]? Supervisors, inspectors, time-keepers and other groups of officials could be included in their own specific categories instead of being listed in the generic Officials category.

			Possible further categories: Category:World Champions who lost/did not win their professional debut; Category:Living World Champions; Categories containing World Title Fights:

			===Title fights sorted by year or country?===
			The [[Title Fights in 2006]] and [[World Title Fights Held in Canada]] lists could be further developed and taken as examples for lists representing world title fights sorted by year or country respectively. Category codes inserted into fight pages could be used instead (Category:World Title Fights in ''Year''; Category:World Title Fights held in ''Country'').--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

			In the case of the USA subcategories could be created for states (Category:World Title Fights held in ''State'').--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 00:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

	==The Ring Magazine/Lineal Title==		==The Ring Magazine/Lineal Title==
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	==Content of succession boxes==		==Content of succession boxes==
	Both title and fight succession boxes should either only be created for world titles awarded by major sanctioning bodies or, if the successions of minor (world) titles, other distinctions such as ''The Ring's'' awards or amateur accomplishments ~~can~~ be displayed in boxes, too, they should be kept separate from those ~~presenting~~ major world titles as is the case with the boxes on [[Billy Costello\|Billy Costello's wiki page]]. The IBO title boxes [[Special:Contributions/David-golota\|which have been inserted]] should be separated, too.		Both title and title fight succession boxes should either only be created for world titles awarded by major sanctioning bodies or, if the successions of minor (world) titles, other distinctions such as ''The Ring's'' awards or amateur accomplishments are to be displayed in boxes, too, they should be kept separate from those boxes which represent major world titles as is the case with the boxes on [[Billy Costello\|Billy Costello's wiki page]]. The IBO title boxes [[Special:Contributions/David-golota\|which have been inserted]] should be separated, too.

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 21:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 21:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

			The matter is also being discussed [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=148039 here].--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 14:25, 31 January 2012 (CST)

Emaster: updated/revamped/clarified

2012-01-20T16:39:50Z

updated/revamped/clarified

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Emaster: tweaked "Code and resulting data" and "Naming boxer and fight pages"

2010-03-16T23:03:48Z

tweaked "Code and resulting data" and "Naming boxer and fight pages"

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Emaster: updated bugs/issues

2010-03-16T11:53:42Z

updated bugs/issues

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	==Bugs and issues==		==Bugs and issues==
	The [[special:Allpages\|All pages special]] lists [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Boxer%3AAbel_Cachaz%FA%3A045376 some pages] which do not exist (any more), with all page titles containing ~~foreign~~ characters except for two: [[Boxer:Umberto Magliocchetti (Maggi):123978]] (Look [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Boxer%3AUmberto_Magliocchetti__%28Maggi%29%3A123978 here].) and [[Steve Conway vs. Mihaly Kotai (1st. meeting)]] (Look [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Steve_Conway_vs._Mihaly_Kotai_%281st._meeting%29 here].). Some of them are even included in categories:		The [[special:Allpages\|All pages special]] lists [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Boxer%3AAbel_Cachaz%FA%3A045376 some pages] which do not exist (any more), with all page titles containing special characters except for two: [[Boxer:Umberto Magliocchetti (Maggi):123978]] (Look [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Boxer%3AUmberto_Magliocchetti__%28Maggi%29%3A123978 here].) and [[Steve Conway vs. Mihaly Kotai (1st. meeting)]] (Look [http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Steve_Conway_vs._Mihaly_Kotai_%281st._meeting%29 here].). Some of them are even included in categories:
	*[[Boxer:Pascual P�rez:009037]]:		*[[Boxer:Pascual P�rez:009037]]:
	**[[:Category:World Flyweight Champions\|World Flyweight Champions category]]		**[[:Category:World Flyweight Champions\|World Flyweight Champions category]]
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	**[[:Category:Olympic Gold Medalists]]		**[[:Category:Olympic Gold Medalists]]

	Special characters in an internal link prevent pages on which ~~boxer~~ code~~-generated data are shown~~ from working at all or presenting the internal link in blue color.		Special characters in an internal link prevent pages into which human or fight code has been inserted from working at all or presenting the internal link in blue color.

	If, for instance, "?" (Krzysztof W?odarczyk), "?" (Andrzej R?any), "?" (Rudolf Gaven?iak), "?" (Peter Hriv?�k), or "?" (Adam ?witek) is included in an internal link, the page is knocked out in case ~~a boxer~~ code has also been inserted.		If, for instance, "?" (Krzysztof W?odarczyk), "?" (Andrzej R?any), "?" (Rudolf Gaven?iak), "?" (Peter Hriv?�k), or "?" (Adam ?witek) is included in an internal link, the page is knocked out in case code has also been inserted.

	If, for instance, "�" (B�rge Krogh), "�", "�" (J�rgen Br�hmer), "�" (Sebastian K�ber), "�" (Cengiz Ko�), "�", "�" (Omar Andr�s Narv�ez), "�" (Adolfo Dionisio R�os), or "�" (J�r�me Thomas) is included in an internal link, it is represented in red color in case ~~a boxer~~ code has also been inserted.		:The characters above are replaced with question marks or other characters on pages into which code has been inserted. If these characters are included in the titles of pages into which code has been inserted, the pages will be knocked out.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 11:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

			If, for instance, "�" (B�rge Krogh), "�", "�" (J�rgen Br�hmer), "�" (Sebastian K�ber), "�" (Cengiz Ko�), "�", "�" (Omar Andr�s Narv�ez), "�" (Adolfo Dionisio R�os), "�" (V�ctor Avenda�o), or "�" (J�r�me Thomas) is included in an internal link, it is represented in red color in case code has also been inserted.

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 03:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 03:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

	As also elaborated [http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100123 in this thread], [[Pekka Maeki\|Pekka Maeki's]] former manager ID (422594) still works if embedded in a ~~boxer~~ code (<nowiki><~~boxer~~>422594</~~boxer~~></nowiki>):		As also elaborated [http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100123 in this thread], [[Pekka Maeki\|Pekka Maeki's]] former manager ID (422594) still works if embedded in a human code (<nowiki><human>422594</human></nowiki>):

	<~~boxer~~>422594</~~boxer~~>		<human>422594</human>

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 01:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 01:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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	[[Slobodan Kacar\|Slobodan Kacar's]] boxer code does not generate an entry for his nationality although his [http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=583&cat=boxer BoxRec profile] shows that he's Serbian:		[[Slobodan Kacar\|Slobodan Kacar's]] boxer code does not generate an entry for his nationality although his [http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=583&cat=boxer BoxRec profile] shows that he's Serbian:

	<~~boxer~~>583</~~boxer~~>		<human>583</human>

	~~If the boxer code is inserted onto a page whose title includes a certain foreign character, the page is knocked out.~~

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 22:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 22:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

	~~Some of the~~ image files whose titles include ~~foreign~~ characters ~~may need to be reuploaded under titles without foreign characters if~~ pages into which ~~boxer~~ code has been inserted ~~link to~~ them~~. Otherwise some of the images~~ may ~~not be displayed~~. ~~The editor~~ [[User:Aldo\|Aldo]], for instance, has uploaded a lot of [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&contribs=user&target=Aldo&namespace=6&year=&month= image files under titles including ~~foreign~~ characters]. Only on pages ~~containing boxer code the~~ display ~~of some of them may~~ not work, mind you. It may be a temporary issue though.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 22:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)		The image files whose titles include special characters are not displayed on pages into which code has been inserted. Reuploading them under titles without special characters may solve that. [[User:Aldo\|Aldo]], for instance, has uploaded a lot of [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&contribs=user&target=Aldo&namespace=6&year=&month= image files under titles including special characters]. Only on code-containing pages their display does not work, mind you. It may be a temporary issue though.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 22:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

	The automatic update of redirects is not in effect any more.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 23:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)		The automatic update of redirects is not in effect any more.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 23:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Emaster: reentered foreign characters hoping they'll be displayed

2010-03-01T16:34:22Z

reentered foreign characters hoping they'll be displayed

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	If Chagaev beat Valuev again to regain the status as "active" champion, a third box would have to be added on Chagaev's boxer page with Valuev as Chagaev's predecessor. Chagaev would have held the title throughout, though, firstly as "active" champion, then as champion in recess and again as "active" champion. Valuev would have held the same title as the "active" champion for the most part of Chagaev's recess period.		If Chagaev beat Valuev again to regain the status as "active" champion, a third box would have to be added on Chagaev's boxer page with Valuev as Chagaev's predecessor. Chagaev would have held the title throughout, though, firstly as "active" champion, then as champion in recess and again as "active" champion. Valuev would have held the same title as the "active" champion for the most part of Chagaev's recess period.

			--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 02:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

	==Footnoting details on losing titles in noncompetitive fashion==		==Footnoting details on losing titles in noncompetitive fashion==

Emaster: updated, revamped, clarified different sections, above all "Bugs and issues" and "Code and resulting data"

2010-03-01T16:16:59Z

updated, revamped, clarified different sections, above all "Bugs and issues" and "Code and resulting data"

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Emaster: noticed that the automatic update of redirects is not in effect any more while the arrow keys do work again for the selection of pages offered in the search box/altered proposal on fight suc. boxes

2009-11-20T23:22:17Z

noticed that the automatic update of redirects is not in effect any more while the arrow keys do work again for the selection of pages offered in the search box/altered proposal on fight suc. boxes

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	Special characters in an internal link prevent pages on which boxer code-generated data are shown from working at all or presenting the internal link in blue color.		Special characters in an internal link prevent pages on which boxer code-generated data are shown from working at all or presenting the internal link in blue color.

	If, for instance, "?" (Krzysztof ~~W?odarczyk~~), "?" (Andrzej ~~R?any~~), "?" (Rudolf ~~Gaven?iak~~), "?" (Peter ~~Hriv?�k~~), or "?" (Adam ~~?witek~~) is included in an internal link, the page is knocked out in case a boxer code has also been inserted.		If, for instance, "ł" (Krzysztof Włodarczyk), "ż" (Andrzej Rżany), "č" (Rudolf Gavenčiak), "ň" (Peter Hrivňák), or "ś" (Adam Świtek) is included in an internal link, the page is knocked out in case a boxer code has also been inserted.

	If, for instance, "�" (~~B�rge~~ Krogh), "�", "�" (~~J�rgen Br�hmer~~), "�" (Sebastian ~~K�ber~~), "�" (Cengiz ~~Ko�~~), "�", "�" (Omar ~~Andr�s Narv�ez~~), "�" (Adolfo Dionisio ~~R�os~~), or "�" (~~J�r�me~~ Thomas) is included in an internal link, it is represented in red color in case a boxer code has also been inserted.		If, for instance, "ø" (Børge Krogh), "ü", "ä" (Jürgen Brähmer), "ö" (Sebastian Köber), "ç" (Cengiz Koç), "é", "á" (Omar Andrés Narváez), "í" (Adolfo Dionisio Ríos), or "ô" (Jérôme Thomas) is included in an internal link, it is represented in red color in case a boxer code has also been inserted.

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 20:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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	If pages into which boxer code has been inserted contain images whose titles include foreign characters, those images need to be reuploaded under titles without foreign characters. Otherwise the images are not displayed (example: [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Image:Miguel_%C3%81ngel_Cuello.jpg "Image:Miguel ?ngel Cuello.jpg"] not displayed on Miguel Angel Cuello's [[Miguel Angel Cuello\|boxer page]]). The editor [[User:Aldo\|Aldo]], for instance, has uploaded a lot of [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&contribs=user&target=Aldo&namespace=6&year=&month= images under titles including foreign characters]. Only on pages containing boxer code their display does not work, mind you.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 22:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)		If pages into which boxer code has been inserted contain images whose titles include foreign characters, those images need to be reuploaded under titles without foreign characters. Otherwise the images are not displayed (example: [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Image:Miguel_%C3%81ngel_Cuello.jpg "Image:Miguel ?ngel Cuello.jpg"] not displayed on Miguel Angel Cuello's [[Miguel Angel Cuello\|boxer page]]). The editor [[User:Aldo\|Aldo]], for instance, has uploaded a lot of [http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&contribs=user&target=Aldo&namespace=6&year=&month= images under titles including foreign characters]. Only on pages containing boxer code their display does not work, mind you.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 22:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

	The ~~arrow keys do~~ not ~~work~~ any more ~~to select pages displayed in the search box~~.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 11:47, ~~14 October~~ 2009 (UTC)		The automatic update of redirects implemented in case a page has been moved is not in effect any more.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 23:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

	==Code and resulting data==		==Code and resulting data==
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	<font size = 3>'''2006-07-28: [[Sultan Ibragimov]] drew with [[Ray Austin]] by PTS in round 12 of 12'''</font><br>		<font size = 3>'''2006-07-28: [[Sultan Ibragimov]] drew with [[Ray Austin]] by PTS in round 12 of 12'''</font><br>
	'''Location:''' Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, Hollywood, Florida, USA<br>		'''Location:''' Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, Hollywood, Florida, USA<br>
	'''Weights:''' Ibragimov: ~~231�~~ lbs, Austin: ~~245�~~ lbs<br>		'''Weights:''' Ibragimov: 231,75 lbs, Austin: 245,5 lbs<br>
	'''Referee:''' [[Tommy Kimmons]]<br>		'''Referee:''' [[Tommy Kimmons]]<br>
	'''Judge:''' [[Peter Trematerra]] 115-111 (Ibragimov)<br>		'''Judge:''' [[Peter Trematerra]] 115-111 (Ibragimov)<br>
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	Fight pages dealing with title fights can have fight succession boxes.		Fight pages dealing with title fights can have fight succession boxes.

	~~Current version (excerpt from [[Bernard Hopkins vs. Oscar De La Hoya]]):~~		A boxer's first name or an abbreviation of it should only be shown in the succession boxes if he shares his surname with other holders of the title the succession boxes refer to.
	~~{{start box}}~~
	~~{{Fight Succession Box\|~~
	~~before=[[Bernard Hopkins vs. Robert Allen (3rd meeting)\|Hopkins vs. Allen III]]\|~~
	title=[[IBF Middleweight Title Fights\|IBF Middleweight Title Fight]]<br># 44<br>[[WBA Middleweight Title Fights\|WBA Middleweight Title Fight]]<br># 92<br>[[WBC Middleweight Title Fights\|WBC Middleweight Title Fight]]<br># 81\|
	~~after=[[Bernard Hopkins vs. Howard Eastman\|Hopkins vs. Eastman]]\|~~
	}}
	~~{{Fight Succession Box\|~~
	~~before=[[Felix Sturm vs. Oscar De La Hoya\|Sturm vs. De La Hoya]]\|~~
	~~title=[[WBO Middleweight Title Fights\|WBO Middleweight Title Fight]]<br># 36\|~~
	~~after=[[Bernard Hopkins vs. Howard Eastman\|Hopkins vs. Eastman]]\|~~
	}}
	~~{{end box}}~~

	~~Proposal:~~
	~~{{start box}}~~
	~~{{Fight Succession Box\|~~
	~~before=[[Bernard Hopkins vs. Robert Allen (3rd meeting)]]\|~~
	title=[[WBA Middleweight Title Fights\|WBA Middleweight Title Fight]]<br>Super Championship<br>#92<br>[[WBC Middleweight Title Fights\|WBC Middleweight Title Fight]]<br>#81<br>[[IBF Middleweight Title Fights\|IBF Middleweight Title Fight]]<br>#44\|
	~~after=[[Bernard Hopkins vs. Howard Eastman]]\|~~
	}}
	~~{{Fight Succession Box\|~~
	~~before=[[Felix Sturm vs. Oscar De La Hoya]]\|~~
	~~title=[[WBO Middleweight Title Fights\|WBO Middleweight Title Fight]]<br>#36\|~~
	~~after=[[Bernard Hopkins vs. Howard Eastman]]\|~~
	}}
	~~{{end box}}~~

	~~Most~~ of the ~~current fight~~ succession boxes ~~only show the fighters' family names and use roman numerals~~ if the ~~contestants have met more than once. This demands renaming the links in~~ the boxes~~, which causes extra work which the proposal would save us~~.

	~~When~~ a WBA super championship ~~was~~ at stake, it should be indicated. The same applies to interim championships.		If a WBA super championship has been at stake, it should be indicated as such. The same applies to interim championships.

	I think no space should be between a number sign and a number: #1 (not # 1).		I think no space should be between a number sign and a number: #1 (not # 1).

Emaster: expanded on which data fight code should create

2009-11-10T11:58:07Z

expanded on which data fight code should create

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	----		----

	The fight code generates various data from the database on fight pages in the encyclopaedia, that is the date of the contest, the fighters' names, their official weights, the result, the location, the referee's and judges' names, and the official scores. What is not generated is the fighters' records from before the fight, the "last 6" diagrams, the title(s) at stake and the free text BoxRec editors have inserted into the database. Encyclopaedia editors often add the title(s) at stake, the knockdowns ruled, and the points deducted manually. The time they spend adding those bits of information could be safed if they were also generated by ~~entering~~ the fight code. That would mean that the whole BoxRec information pertaining to a fight would have to be generated on the corresponding encyclopaedia page ~~(as it includes the knockdowns and point deductions)~~. ~~Maybe~~ the prefight records or, if possible, ~~even~~ the "last 6" diagrams should be generated on fight pages as well. Furthermore, the weights should be put in parentheses or even moved below the line giving the fight's location.		The fight code generates various data from the database on fight pages in the encyclopaedia, that is the date of the contest, the fighters' names, their official weights, the result, the location, the referee's and judges' names, and the official scores. What is not generated is the fighters' records from before the fight, the "last 6" diagrams, the title(s) at stake and the free text BoxRec editors have inserted into the database. Encyclopaedia editors often add the title(s) at stake, the knockdowns ruled, and the points deducted manually. The time they spend adding those bits of information could be safed if they were also generated by the fight code. That would mean that the whole BoxRec information pertaining to a fight would have to be generated on the corresponding encyclopaedia page. Besides, the prefight records and, if possible, the "last 6" diagrams should be generated on fight pages as well as the names of the doctor(s), the supervisor(s), the promoter(s), the matchmaker(s), the competent commission, and a link to the BoxRec page of the card. Furthermore, the weights should be put in parentheses or even moved below the line giving the fight's location.

	The representation of the score totals on fight pages could be amended: At the moment, the order of the fighters' names as given by the fight code has to be considered to attribute the scores correctly. Instead, I suggest that that fighter who is ahead on the first (second, third) scorecard be ~~named~~ after the corresponding score total in parentheses.		The representation of the score totals on fight pages could be amended: At the moment, the order of the fighters' names as given by the fight code has to be considered to attribute the scores correctly. Instead, I suggest that that fighter who is ahead on the first (second, third) scorecard be mentioned after the corresponding score total in parentheses.

	Names generated by code always appear in the color representing existing pages in the encyclopaedia (blue by default). The names for which corresponding pages have not yet been created, should instead be represented in the color intended for that case (red by default).		Names generated by code always appear in the color representing existing pages in the encyclopaedia (blue by default). The names for which corresponding pages have not yet been created, should instead be represented in the color intended for that case (red by default).

	Example illustrating the above suggestions:		Example illustrating some of the above suggestions:

	Current representation:		Current representation:
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	<font size = 3>'''2006-07-28: [[Sultan Ibragimov]] drew with [[Ray Austin]] by PTS in round 12 of 12'''</font><br>		<font size = 3>'''2006-07-28: [[Sultan Ibragimov]] drew with [[Ray Austin]] by PTS in round 12 of 12'''</font><br>
	'''Location:''' Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, Hollywood, Florida, USA<br>		'''Location:''' Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, Hollywood, Florida, USA<br>
	'''Weights:''' Ibragimov: ~~231?~~ lbs, Austin: ~~245?~~ lbs<br>		'''Weights:''' Ibragimov: 231� lbs, Austin: 245� lbs<br>
	'''Referee:''' [[Tommy Kimmons]]<br>		'''Referee:''' [[Tommy Kimmons]]<br>
	'''Judge:''' [[Peter Trematerra]] 115-111 (Ibragimov)<br>		'''Judge:''' [[Peter Trematerra]] 115-111 (Ibragimov)<br>