Humberto Arce - Revision history

Wouter at 15:57, 16 June 2024

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Wouter at 12:27, 17 April 2010

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	The folllowing fights should be ommitted from Arce's record until verified by a contemporary source:<br><br>		The folllowing fights should be ommitted from Arce's record until verified by a contemporary source:<br><br>
	~~1930-11-16 W8 Lou Bogash Bridgeport, Connecticut, United States. It is shown in Arce's published record, from which it was transferred to Bogash's published record.<br>~~
	1930-10-04 W6 Bert Paxton New York, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on October 4 in New York, according to Arce's published record. However, it was not on either of the three programs in New York held that night. It is unverified and its location is uncertain, if it occurred.<br>		1930-10-04 W6 Bert Paxton New York, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on October 4 in New York, according to Arce's published record. However, it was not on either of the three programs in New York held that night. It is unverified and its location is uncertain, if it occurred.<br>
	1930-09-19 W10 Teddy Jackson New Haven, Connecticut, United States. This fight does not belong to Unknown Winston, as previously shown here. Arce, if the fight occurred at all, probably met Teddy Jackson of New Jersey, who had some fights in Connecticut as "Tut Jackson" of New Jersey.<br>		1930-09-19 W10 Teddy Jackson New Haven, Connecticut, United States. This fight does not belong to Unknown Winston, as previously shown here. Arce, if the fight occurred at all, probably met Teddy Jackson of New Jersey, who had some fights in Connecticut as "Tut Jackson" of New Jersey.<br>

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Wouter at 10:01, 7 January 2008

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	George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.		George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.

	Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930. However, these fights are almost all unverified from newspaper sources~~, raising~~ the suspicion that the 1930 record is partly or entirely a fabrication, or at least inaccurate:<br><br>		Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930 (see list below; comments by boxing historian Luckett V. Davis). However, despite the well-known fighters Arce supposedly beat, these fights are almost all unverified from newspaper sources. This raises the suspicion that the 1930 record is partly or entirely a fabrication, or at least inaccurate. The <i>Massillon Evening Independent</i>, which reported extensively on the 1930-12-15 fight of Arce with Patsy Perroni, does not mention any of these fights and reported Arce as 'just beginning to make his way in these United States after a highly succesful career with the gloves in his native island.'<br>

			The folllowing fights should be ommitted from Arce's record until verified by a contemporary source:<br><br>
	1930-11-16 W8 Lou Bogash Bridgeport, Connecticut, United States. It is shown in Arce's published record, from which it was transferred to Bogash's published record.<br>		1930-11-16 W8 Lou Bogash Bridgeport, Connecticut, United States. It is shown in Arce's published record, from which it was transferred to Bogash's published record.<br>
	1930-10-04 W6 Bert Paxton New York, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on October 4 in New York, according to Arce's published record. However, it was not on either of the three programs in New York held that night. It is unverified and its location is uncertain, if it occurred.<br>		1930-10-04 W6 Bert Paxton New York, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on October 4 in New York, according to Arce's published record. However, it was not on either of the three programs in New York held that night. It is unverified and its location is uncertain, if it occurred.<br>

Wouter at 09:51, 7 January 2008

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	George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.		George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.

	Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930 ~~(see link)~~. However, these fights are almost all unverified from newspaper sources, raising the suspicion that the 1930 record is partly or entirely a fabrication, or at least inaccurate.		Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930. However, these fights are almost all unverified from newspaper sources, raising the suspicion that the 1930 record is partly or entirely a fabrication, or at least inaccurate:<br><br>
			1930-11-16 W8 Lou Bogash Bridgeport, Connecticut, United States. It is shown in Arce's published record, from which it was transferred to Bogash's published record.<br>
			1930-10-04 W6 Bert Paxton New York, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on October 4 in New York, according to Arce's published record. However, it was not on either of the three programs in New York held that night. It is unverified and its location is uncertain, if it occurred.<br>
			1930-09-19 W10 Teddy Jackson New Haven, Connecticut, United States. This fight does not belong to Unknown Winston, as previously shown here. Arce, if the fight occurred at all, probably met Teddy Jackson of New Jersey, who had some fights in Connecticut as "Tut Jackson" of New Jersey.<br>
			1930-09-10 KO3 Sam Holmes Albany, New York, United States. This result, date, and location is given in Arce's published record. However, it has not even been verified that there was a program on this date in Albany.<br>
			1930-07-15 KO2 Jack Donovan Long Island, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on Long Island on July 15 (Arce's record). However, it did not take place on the only program held there that night and is unverified.<br>
			1930-06-18 W6 Jack Saunders New Yotrk, New York. According to Arce's published record, this fight occurred on June 18 in New York. However, it did not take place on either of the programs that occurred in that city on that night and is unverified.<br>
			1930-06-09 KO4 Joe Brown Long Island, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on June 9 on Long Island (in Arce's published record), but full results are available from the only program that occurred there on this date. This fight is unverified.<br>
			1930-05-30 KO1 Art Wilson Long Island, New York. Listed as occurring on May 30 on Long Island in Arce's published record. However, no programs are known to have occurred there on this date and the fight has not been verified.<br>
			1930-05-20 KO2 Charley Hanson Long Island, New York. Shown as occurring on May 20 on Long Island in Arce's published record. However, there were no programs on Long Island on this date and the entry as it was given is not verified.<br>
			1930-04-06 KO1 Frankie DeAngelo New York, New York. Listed as occurring on April 6 in New York in Arce's record. However, April 6 was a Sunday and professional boxing was not permitted on Sundays.<br>
			1930-03-14 W6 Leonard Neblett Brooklyn New York. In Arce's published record, this fight is listed as occurring on March 14 in Brooklyn. However, newspapers do not show it as occurring on either of the New York programs.<br>
			1930-03-03 W8 Stanley Poreda Jersey City, New Jersey. This fight is listed in Arce's published record as occurring in Jersey City on March 8, but it is not in Poreda's. The date, location, and even the occurrence of this fight are unverified.<br>
			1930-02-11 W8 Harry Hassell Brooklyn, New York. This fight is listed in Arce's published record as occurring in Brooklyn. However, the full results are known from the only Brooklyn program on this date and this fight did not occur.<br>
			1930-01-27 KO1 Jack Stanley New York, New York. Listed as occurring in New York City on this date, in Arce's published record. However, this fight did not occur on either of the two programs that took place, and for which full results are known.<br>
			1930-01-08 KO2 Gus Rodenberg Long Island, New York. Listed as occurring on Long Island on this date in Arce's published record, but there is no evidence that there were programs there on this date.

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2007-08-17T22:21:17Z

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Luckett at 23:38, 21 April 2006

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	George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.		George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.

	Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930 (see link). However, these fights are almost all unverified from newspaper sources, raising the suspicion that the 1930 record is partly or entirely a fabrication.		Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930 (see link). However, these fights are almost all unverified from newspaper sources, raising the suspicion that the 1930 record is partly or entirely a fabrication, or at least inaccurate.

Luckett at 23:37, 21 April 2006

2006-04-21T23:37:42Z

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The only published record for Arce appeared in the <i>Everlast Boxing Record</i>, 1931 edition, page 157. This record listed the following fights (without dates or locatios) for 1929:

George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.

Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930 (see link). However, these fights are almost all unverified from newspaper sources, raising the suspicion that the 1930 record is partly or entirely a fabrication.

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	George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.		George Burns, W ko 2; Pete Martinez, W ko 1; Juan Cruze, W ko 2; Sailor Burton, W ko 4; Sailor Burton, W Pts 8; John Colombe, W Pts 10.

	Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930 (see list below~~; comments by boxing historian Luckett V~~. ~~Davis). However~~, ~~despite~~ the ~~well-known fighters Arce supposedly beat, these fights are almost all unverified from newspaper sources. This raises~~ the ~~suspicion that the 1930~~ record ~~is partly or entirely a fabrication, or at least inaccurate~~. ~~The <i>Massillon Evening Independent</i>, which reported extensively on the 1930-12-15 fight of Arce with Patsy Perroni, does not mention any of these~~ fights ~~and reported~~ Arce ~~as 'just beginning to make his way in~~ these ~~United States after a highly succesful career with~~ the ~~gloves in his native island~~.~~'<br>~~		Sixteen fights are listed for Arce in 1930, see the list below. Some of these bouts have been verified, but the details given in the published record were incorrect. Other fights still need verification. Arce fought these bouts under the name of Jack Livingston.<br><br>
			1930-10-04 W6 Bert Paxton New York, New York. This fight was held on 1930-11-18.<br>
	~~The folllowing fights should be ommitted from Arce's record until verified by a contemporary source:~~<br><br>		1930-09-19 W10 Teddy Jackson New Haven, Connecticut, United States. This fight has not been verified yet<br>
	1930-10-04 W6 Bert Paxton New York, New York. This fight ~~is supposed to have occurred on October 4 in New York, according to Arce's published record. However, it~~ was ~~not~~ on ~~either of the three programs in New York held that night. It is unverified and its location is uncertain, if it occurred~~.<br>
	1930-09-19 W10 Teddy Jackson New Haven, Connecticut, United States. This fight ~~does~~ not ~~belong to Unknown Winston, as previously shown here. Arce, if the fight occurred at all, probably met Teddy Jackson of New Jersey, who had some fights in Connecticut as "Tut Jackson" of New Jersey.~~<br>
	1930-09-10 KO3 Sam Holmes Albany, New York, United States. This result, date, and location is given in Arce's published record. However, it has not even been verified that there was a program on this date in Albany.<br>		1930-09-10 KO3 Sam Holmes Albany, New York, United States. This result, date, and location is given in Arce's published record. However, it has not even been verified that there was a program on this date in Albany.<br>
	1930-07-15 KO2 Jack Donovan Long Island, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on Long Island on July 15 (Arce's record). However, it did not take place on the only program held there that night and is unverified.<br>		1930-07-15 KO2 Jack Donovan Long Island, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on Long Island on July 15 (Arce's record). However, it did not take place on the only program held there that night and is unverified.<br>
	1930-06-18 W6 Jack Saunders New Yotrk, New York. ~~According to Arce's published record, this~~ fight ~~occurred on June 18 in New York. However, it did not take~~ place ~~on either of the programs that occurred in that city on that night and is unverified~~.<br>		1930-06-18 W6 Jack Saunders New Yotrk, New York. This fight took place 1929-8-12.<br>
	1930-06-09 KO4 Joe Brown Long Island, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on June 9 on Long Island (in Arce's published record), but full results are available from the only program that occurred there on this date. This fight is unverified.<br>		1930-06-09 KO4 Joe Brown Long Island, New York. This fight is supposed to have occurred on June 9 on Long Island (in Arce's published record), but full results are available from the only program that occurred there on this date. This fight is unverified.<br>
	1930-05-30 KO1 Art Wilson Long Island, New York. Listed as occurring on May 30 on Long Island in Arce's published record. However, no programs are known to have occurred there on this date and the fight has not been verified.<br>		1930-05-30 KO1 Art Wilson Long Island, New York. Listed as occurring on May 30 on Long Island in Arce's published record. However, no programs are known to have occurred there on this date and the fight has not been verified.<br>
	1930-05-20 KO2 Charley Hanson Long Island, New York. ~~Shown as occurring on May 20 on Long Island in Arce's published record. However, there were no programs on Long Island on this date and the entry as it~~ was ~~given is not verified~~.<br>		1930-05-20 KO2 Charley Hanson Long Island, New York. This bout was held 1930-8-8.<br>
	1930-04-06 KO1 Frankie DeAngelo New York, New York. ~~Listed as occurring on April 6 in New York in Arce's record. However, April 6~~ was ~~a Sunday and professional boxing was not permitted on Sundays~~.<br>		1930-04-06 KO1 Frankie DeAngelo New York, New York. This bout was held 1930-10-8.<br>
	1930-03-14 W6 Leonard Neblett Brooklyn New York. ~~In Arce's published record, this fight is listed as occurring~~ on ~~March 14 in Brooklyn. However, newspapers do not show it as occurring on either of the New York programs~~.<br>		1930-03-14 W6 Leonard Neblett Brooklyn New York. This was a 4-round draw on 1930-7-12.<br>
	1930-03-03 W8 Stanley Poreda Jersey City, New Jersey. This ~~fight is listed in Arce's published record as occurring in Jersey City~~ on ~~March 8, but it is not in Poreda's. The date, location, and even the occurrence of this fight are unverified~~.<br>		1930-03-03 W8 Stanley Poreda Jersey City, New Jersey. This was a 6-round points loss on 1930-4-28.<br>
	1930-02-11 W8 Harry Hassell Brooklyn, New York. This fight ~~is listed in Arce's published record as occurring in Brooklyn. However, the full results are known from the only Brooklyn program on this date~~ and ~~this fight did not occur~~.<br>		1930-02-11 W8 Harry Hassell Brooklyn, New York. This fight was held 1929-8-29 and was a 6-rounder.<br>
	1930-01-27 KO1 Jack Stanley New York, New York. ~~Listed as occurring in New York City on this date, in Arce's published record. However, this~~ fight ~~did not occur on either of the two programs that took place,~~ and ~~for which full results are known~~.<br>		1930-01-27 KO1 Jack Stanley New York, New York. This fight was against Sam Stanley and was held 1929-7-25.<br>
	1930-01-08 KO2 Gus Rodenberg Long Island, New York. ~~Listed as occurring~~ on ~~Long Island on this date in Arce's published record, but there is no evidence that there were programs there on this date~~.		1930-01-08 KO2 Gus Rodenberg Long Island, New York.Tus fight was a 5-round DQ win on 1929-8-5.