Joe Louis vs. Abe Simon (2nd meeting) - Revision history

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh ~~(June issue; rankings as of April 11)~~, while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh, while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.
	*On June 9 and June 17 Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] (11-8-1, 4 KOs) nor [[James D. Turner]] (23-18-4, 14 KOs) were rated by the National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.		*On June 9 and June 17 Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] (11-8-1, 4 KOs) nor [[James D. Turner]] (23-18-4, 14 KOs) were rated by the National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.
	*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.		*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.
	*On June 9 and June 17 Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] (11-8-1, 4 KOs) nor [[James D. Turner]] (23-18-4) were rated by the National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.		*On June 9 and June 17 Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] (11-8-1, 4 KOs) nor [[James D. Turner]] (23-18-4, 14 KOs) were rated by the National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.
	*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.		*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.
	*Simon [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later. As a result, he was further dropped to sixth in the Q4 rankings released January 3, 1942.		*Simon [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later. As a result, he was further dropped to sixth in the Q4 rankings released January 3, 1942.

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.
	*On June 9 and June 17 Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ~~ranked~~ by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.		*On June 9 and June 17 Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] (11-8-1, 4 KOs) nor [[James D. Turner]] (23-18-4) were rated by the National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.
	*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.		*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.
	*Simon [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later. As a result, he was further dropped to sixth in the Q4 rankings released January 3, 1942.		*Simon [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later. As a result, he was further dropped to sixth in the Q4 rankings released January 3, 1942.

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.
	*~~Between the two fights,~~ Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.		*On June 9 and June 17 Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.
	*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.		*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.
	*Simon [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later. As a result, he was further dropped to sixth in the Q4 rankings released January 3, 1942.		*Simon [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later. As a result, he was further dropped to sixth in the Q4 rankings released January 3, 1942.

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its ~~quarterly~~ rankings.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its Q2 rankings released June 27.
	*Between the two fights, Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. ~~He then~~ [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.		*Between the two fights, Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine.
	*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released ~~September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on~~ January 3, 1942~~, as a result of the loss to Franklin~~.		*In its Q3 rankings published September 9, NBA dropped Simon to fifth, placing Lem Franklin ahead of him.
			*Simon [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later. As a result, he was further dropped to sixth in the Q4 rankings released January 3, 1942.
	*On April 15, NBA moved Simon back to fifth.		*On April 15, NBA moved Simon back to fifth.

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its quarterly rankings.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its quarterly rankings.
	*Between the two fights, Simon scored two victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. He then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.		*Between the two fights, Simon scored two stoppage victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. He then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.
	*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on January 3, 1942, as a result of the loss to Franklin.		*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on January 3, 1942, as a result of the loss to Franklin.
	*On April 15, NBA moved Simon back to fifth.		*On April 15, NBA moved Simon back to fifth.

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh as of April 11~~, 1941 (June issue~~), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its quarterly rankings.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh (June issue; rankings as of April 11), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its quarterly rankings.
	*Between the two fights, Simon scored two victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. He then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.		*Between the two fights, Simon scored two victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. He then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.
	*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on January 3, 1942, as a result of the loss to Franklin.		*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on January 3, 1942, as a result of the loss to Franklin.

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh as of April 11 (June issue), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its quarterly rankings.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh as of April 11, 1941 (June issue), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its quarterly rankings.
	*Between the two fights, Simon scored two victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. He then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.		*Between the two fights, Simon scored two victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. He then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.
	*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on January 3, 1942, as a result of the loss to Franklin.		*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on January 3, 1942, as a result of the loss to Franklin.

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	*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh as of April 11 (June issue), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its quarterly rankings.		*After their first fight, Ring Magazine promoted previously unranked Simon to seventh as of April 11 (June issue), while National Boxing Association (NBA) moved him from "honorable mentions" to "outsdanding boxers" in its quarterly rankings.
	*Between the two fights, Simon scored two victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. He then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.		*Between the two fights, Simon scored two victories, though neither [[Pete Tamalonis]] nor [[James D. Turner]] were ranked by National Boxing Association or The Ring Magazine. He then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6, 1941 and [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] 14 days later.
	*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on January 3, 1942, as a result of the ~~fifth-round TKO~~ loss to ~~Lem~~ Franklin.		*Simon ranked fifth by the National Boxing Association in the rankings released September 9, 1941, dropped to sixth on January 3, 1942, as a result of the loss to Franklin.
	*On April 15, NBA moved Simon back to fifth.		*On April 15, NBA moved Simon back to fifth.

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
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	*Since his first encounter with Louis, Simon went 2-1-1, 2 KOs. ~~He scored two victories against [[Pete Tamalonis]] and [[James D. Turner]], then [[Turkey Thompson vs. Abe Simon\|drew with Turkey Thompson]] on October 6~~, ~~1941 and~~ [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] ~~14 days later~~.		*Since his first encounter with Louis, Simon went 2-1-1, 2 KOs. In his last fight, he [[Abe Simon vs. Lem Franklin (2nd meeting)\|was stopped in the fifth by Lem Franklin]] on October 20, 1941.
	*In an interview with NEA Service on December 31, 1941, Simon called Louis overrated and downplayed his punching power: "Louis caught me clean with a right in the third... It was one of his best shots but I was positively not hurt... On one knee, I couldn't help laughing up at Joe, and I thought to myself: 'So that's the best you've got'."[https://www.newspapers.com/image/479534233/]		*In an interview with NEA Service on December 31, 1941, Simon called Louis overrated and downplayed his punching power: "Louis caught me clean with a right in the third... It was one of his best shots but I was positively not hurt... On one knee, I couldn't help laughing up at Joe, and I thought to myself: 'So that's the best you've got'."[https://www.newspapers.com/image/479534233/]
	*On January 6, manager James J. Johnston named [[Bob Pastor]] and Simon, both managed by him[https://www.newspapers.com/image/1142219616/], as most worthy challengers for Louis' title.[https://www.newspapers.com/image/380773284/][https://www.newspapers.com/image/447344349/]		*On January 6, manager James J. Johnston named [[Bob Pastor]] and Simon, both managed by him[https://www.newspapers.com/image/1142219616/], as most worthy challengers for Louis' title.[https://www.newspapers.com/image/380773284/][https://www.newspapers.com/image/447344349/]