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Emaster: added champions whose statuses have been "under review"

2012-03-20T20:02:39Z

added champions whose statuses have been "under review"

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	The WBA ratings from January 2000 on are listed [http://wbanews.com/cgi-bin/artman/search.cgi?action=search&page=1&perpage=1000&template=articleLists/categoryIndex.html&includeSubcats=1&categoryNum=34 here].		The WBA ratings from January 2000 on are listed [http://wbanews.com/cgi-bin/artman/search.cgi?action=search&page=1&perpage=1000&template=articleLists/categoryIndex.html&includeSubcats=1&categoryNum=34 here].

	1. ~~Did~~ [[~~Bryan Vazquez~~]] ~~really capture~~ the ~~vacant (?)~~ WBA ~~super featherweight~~ interim ~~title on November 3, 2011 given the fact that [[Jorge Solis]] was still listed as~~ champion ~~in the~~ ratings as of ~~October 2011? If so, was Solis still recognized~~ as the ~~holder of that title at that time so that there were two~~ interim champions in the same weight class being recognized at the same time? Or had Solis lost his title prior to Vazquez's fight, which could indeed be the case as he had already been scheduled to meet the full champion~~, [[Takashi Uchiyama]], anyway?~~		1. The ratings as of January 2012 show [[Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam\|Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam's]] status as the WBA middleweight interim champion to be "under review." The ratings as of February 2012 do not list him as the interim champion any more.

	~~2. Have [[Anselmo Moreno]]~~ and [[~~Juan Carlos Reveco~~]] ~~really been declared WBA bantamweight super champion in recess [http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/moreno-now-wba-champ-in-recess-94011] or~~ WBA ~~flyweight~~ interim champion ~~in recess [http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/reveco-also-wba-champ-in-recess-94013] respectively? If so, as of which date? The ratings as of September 2011, which were the first~~ to be ~~released after the two title holders were reportedly made champions in recess, do not label them as such~~.		The ratings as of January and February 2012 show [[Paipharob Kokietgym\|Paipharob Kokietgym's]] status as the WBA minimumweight interim champion to be "under review."

	3. ~~The ratings as of June and July 2011 show~~ [[~~Robert Guerrero\|Robert Guerrero's~~]] ~~status as~~ the WBA ~~lightweight~~ interim champion ~~to be "under review." The~~ ratings as of ~~August~~ 2011 ~~do not list him~~ as the interim ~~champion any more. Guerrero may have~~ lost his ~~interim~~ title ~~because of his~~ scheduled ~~fight against~~ the ~~WBA light welterweight regular~~ champion, ~~which was later canceled.~~		2. Did [[Bryan Vazquez]] really capture the vacant (?) WBA super featherweight interim title on November 3, 2011 given the fact that [[Jorge Solis]] was still listed as champion in the ratings as of October 2011? If so, was Solis still recognized as the holder of that title at that time so that there were two interim champions in the same weight class being recognized at the same time? Or had Solis lost his title prior to Vazquez's fight, which could indeed be the case as he had already been scheduled to meet the full champion, [[Takashi Uchiyama]], anyway?

	4. In [http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/~~campbell~~-~~vacates~~-wba-~~title~~-~~840 this statement~~]~~, which was published on January 10, 2009,~~ [~~[Nate Campbell]] had announced he would relinquish his WBA lightweight super title~~: ~~"I decided to just go ahead and vacate the WBA title now~~.~~" But according to the~~ ratings as of ~~December 2008/January 2009~~, the title ~~was at stake~~ in ~~his next fight against [[Ali Funeka]] on February 14~~, ~~2009. The title had only become vacant "during [the] weight ceremony"~~ as ~~Campbell was unable to make the lightweight limit. Thus, only Funeka was eligible to win the vacant belt~~.		3. Have [[Anselmo Moreno]] and [[Juan Carlos Reveco]] really been declared WBA bantamweight super champion in recess [http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/moreno-now-wba-champ-in-recess-94011] or WBA flyweight interim champion in recess [http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/reveco-also-wba-champ-in-recess-94013] respectively? If so, as of which date? The ratings as of September 2011, which were the first to be released after the two title holders were reportedly made champions in recess, do not label them as such.

	5. [[~~Virgil Hill~~]] ~~was champion in recess at the end of his second reign~~ as the WBA ~~cruiserweight regular~~ champion~~, according~~ to ~~[http://boxrec~~.~~com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=815068#p815068 this WBA resolution]. But Hill is not marked as champion in recess in the~~ ratings as of ~~September 2007,~~ the ~~last to be published before he~~ lost his title.		4. The ratings as of June and July 2011 show [[Robert Guerrero\|Robert Guerrero's]] status as the WBA lightweight interim champion to be "under review." The ratings as of August 2011 do not list him as the interim champion any more. Guerrero may have lost his interim title because of his scheduled fight against the WBA light welterweight regular champion, which was later canceled.

	6. ~~Is it true that~~ [[~~Jermain Taylor\|Jermain Taylor's~~]] WBA ~~middleweight~~ super title was ~~not~~ at stake ~~when drawing with~~ [[~~Ronald (Winky) Wright\|Ronald Wright~~]] on ~~June 17~~, ~~2006 and beating [~~[~~Kassim Ouma~~]~~] on December 9~~, ~~2006?~~		5. In [http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/campbell-vacates-wba-title-840 this statement], which was published on January 10, 2009, [[Nate Campbell]] had announced he would relinquish his WBA lightweight super title: "I decided to just go ahead and vacate the WBA title now." But according to the ratings as of December 2008/January 2009, the title was at stake in his next fight against [[Ali Funeka]] on February 14, 2009. The title had only become vacant "during [the] weight ceremony" as Campbell was unable to make the lightweight limit. Thus, only Funeka was eligible to win the vacant belt.

	7. ~~On which date was~~ [[~~Travis Simms~~]] ~~declared~~ champion in recess at ~~super welterweight~~? Or is ~~he retroactively considered~~ champion in recess ~~from~~ the ~~day~~ he ~~was stripped of~~ his ~~regular~~ title ~~in 2005? On which date had he been stripped?~~		6. [[Virgil Hill]] was champion in recess at the end of his second reign as the WBA cruiserweight regular champion, according to [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=815068#p815068 this WBA resolution]. But Hill is not marked as champion in recess in the ratings as of September 2007, the last to be published before he lost his title.

	8. ~~According to the~~ [[~~Zab Judah vs. Carlos Manuel Baldomir~~\|~~wiki page on Judah vs. Baldomir~~]]~~, a bout which~~ was ~~held on [http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=478934 this show], "~~[[~~Zab Judah~~\|~~Judah's~~]] ~~IBF~~ and ~~WBA titles were not at stake since~~ [[~~Carlos Manuel Baldomir\|Baldomir~~]] did not pay their sanctioning fees." Were those titles not even at stake for Judah as would probably have been the case if Baldomir had not made the weight? Wouldn't Judah have been credited with a successful title defense had he not lost the bout? The WBA ratings as of December ~~2005/January~~ 2006 ~~list the contest as a title fight.~~		7. Is it true that [[Jermain Taylor\|Jermain Taylor's]] WBA middleweight super title was not at stake when drawing with [[Ronald (Winky) Wright\|Ronald Wright]] on June 17, 2006 and beating [[Kassim Ouma]] on December 9, 2006?

	9. [[~~Roy Jones Jr.~~]] ~~won the vacant WBA light heavyweight~~ super ~~title on November 8, 2003. Still,~~ he ~~is not listed as~~ champion in the ~~following two ratings, the ratings as~~ of ~~November/December 2003,~~ in which ~~the title fight is listed as such, and those as of January 2004. Only from the ratings as of February 2004 on is Jones Jr. listed as champion.~~		8. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date had he been stripped?

	10. [[Roy Jones Jr.]], [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA titlists to be recognized super champions. ("Super champion" is used as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the following.)		9. According to the [[Zab Judah vs. Carlos Manuel Baldomir\|wiki page on Judah vs. Baldomir]], a bout which was held on [http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=478934 this show], "[[Zab Judah\|Judah's]] IBF and WBA titles were not at stake since [[Carlos Manuel Baldomir\|Baldomir]] did not pay their sanctioning fees." Were those titles not even at stake for Judah as would probably have been the case if Baldomir had not made the weight? Wouldn't Judah have been credited with a successful title defense had he not lost the bout? The WBA ratings as of December 2005/January 2006 list the contest as a title fight.

			10. [[Roy Jones Jr.]] won the vacant WBA light heavyweight super title on November 8, 2003. Still, he is not listed as champion in the following two ratings, the ratings as of November/December 2003, in which the title fight is listed as such, and those as of January 2004. Only from the ratings as of February 2004 on is Jones Jr. listed as champion.

			11. [[Roy Jones Jr.]], [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA titlists to be recognized super champions. ("Super champion" is used as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the following.)

	On which date was Roy Jones Jr. upgraded to super champion at light heavyweight? In the ratings from December 2000 until March 2001 he is listed as both regular and super champion. Does that mean that Jones Jr. still held the regular title during the first months of his super championship? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Jones Jr. lost the regular title the day he became super champion?		On which date was Roy Jones Jr. upgraded to super champion at light heavyweight? In the ratings from December 2000 until March 2001 he is listed as both regular and super champion. Does that mean that Jones Jr. still held the regular title during the first months of his super championship? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Jones Jr. lost the regular title the day he became super champion?
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	Kostya Tszyu unified his WBC super lightweight title on February 3, 2001 with [[Sharmba Mitchell\|Sharmba Mitchell's]] WBA super lightweight title. In the ratings as of February 2001 he is merely listed as regular champion. Did he not become super champion the day he unified the titles or are the ratings wrong? Like Jones Jr. and Trinidad, Tszyu is listed as both regular and super champion in the ratings as of March 2001. Does that mean that Tszyu still held the regular title after becoming super champion? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Tszyu lost the regular title the day he became super champion?		Kostya Tszyu unified his WBC super lightweight title on February 3, 2001 with [[Sharmba Mitchell\|Sharmba Mitchell's]] WBA super lightweight title. In the ratings as of February 2001 he is merely listed as regular champion. Did he not become super champion the day he unified the titles or are the ratings wrong? Like Jones Jr. and Trinidad, Tszyu is listed as both regular and super champion in the ratings as of March 2001. Does that mean that Tszyu still held the regular title after becoming super champion? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Tszyu lost the regular title the day he became super champion?

	11. On which date did [[Victor Callejas\|Victor Callejas's]] WBA super bantamweight title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA? According to [[Victor Callejas vs. Loris Stecca (2nd meeting)\|this fight page]], "Callejas is stripped of the title in November 1986 for failing to defend it."		12. On which date did [[Victor Callejas\|Victor Callejas's]] WBA super bantamweight title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA? According to [[Victor Callejas vs. Loris Stecca (2nd meeting)\|this fight page]], "Callejas is stripped of the title in November 1986 for failing to defend it."

	12. Were the following fights for the WBA heavyweight title?		13. Were the following fights for the WBA heavyweight title?

	[[Sonny Liston]] vs. [[Floyd Patterson]] on September 25, 1962		[[Sonny Liston]] vs. [[Floyd Patterson]] on September 25, 1962
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	The [http://www.boxrec.com/title_search.php?title=WBA&division=Heavyweight&SUBMIT=Go WBA title page] does not list them.		The [http://www.boxrec.com/title_search.php?title=WBA&division=Heavyweight&SUBMIT=Go WBA title page] does not list them.

	13. Universally recognized world champions usually participated in the inaugural fights for WBA titles. Had those world champions been named WBA champions before the inaugural WBA title fights took place? If so, on which date(s)? Or did they compete for vacant titles? Here is a list of the inaugural title fights:		14. Universally recognized world champions usually participated in the inaugural fights for WBA titles. Had those world champions been named WBA champions before the inaugural WBA title fights took place? If so, on which date(s)? Or did they compete for vacant titles? Here is a list of the inaugural title fights:

	Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston competed for the vacant (?) WBA heavyweight title on September 25, 1962 assuming it was the inaugural bout for this title.		Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston competed for the vacant (?) WBA heavyweight title on September 25, 1962 assuming it was the inaugural bout for this title.

Emaster: added another issue: Was Judah vs. Baldomir really a nontitle fight according to the WBA and IBF?

2012-01-23T18:36:27Z

added another issue: Was Judah vs. Baldomir really a nontitle fight according to the WBA and IBF?

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	7. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date had he been stripped?		7. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date had he been stripped?

	8. [[~~Roy Jones Jr~~.]] ~~won the vacant WBA light heavyweight super championship~~ on ~~November 8~~, ~~2003~~. ~~Still, he is~~ not ~~listed~~ as ~~champion in~~ the ~~following two ratings,~~ the ratings as of ~~November~~/~~December 2003, in which~~ the title fight ~~is at least listed as such, and those as of January 2004. Only from the ratings as of February 2004 on is Jones Jr. listed as champion again~~.		8. According to the [[Zab Judah vs. Carlos Manuel Baldomir\|wiki page on Judah vs. Baldomir]], a bout which was held on [http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=478934 this show], "[[Zab Judah\|Judah's]] IBF and WBA titles were not at stake since [[Carlos Manuel Baldomir\|Baldomir]] did not pay their sanctioning fees." Were those titles not even at stake for Judah as would probably have been the case if Baldomir had not made the weight? Wouldn't Judah have been credited with a successful title defense had he not lost the bout? The WBA ratings as of December 2005/January 2006 list the contest as a title fight.

	9. [[Roy Jones Jr.]]~~, [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were~~ the ~~first~~ WBA ~~world champions to be recognized~~ super ~~champions~~. ~~("Super~~ champion" is ~~used~~ as ~~a generic term for unified~~, ~~undisputed~~ and ~~super champions in~~ the ~~following~~.)		9. [[Roy Jones Jr.]] won the vacant WBA light heavyweight super title on November 8, 2003. Still, he is not listed as champion in the following two ratings, the ratings as of November/December 2003, in which the title fight is listed as such, and those as of January 2004. Only from the ratings as of February 2004 on is Jones Jr. listed as champion.

	~~On which date was~~ Roy Jones Jr. ~~upgraded~~ to super champion ~~at light heavyweight? In the WBA ratings from December 2000 until March 2001 he~~ is ~~listed~~ as ~~both regular~~ and super ~~champion. Does that mean that Jones Jr. still held~~ the ~~regular title during the first months of his super championship? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Jones Jr~~. ~~lost the regular title the day he became super champion?~~		10. [[Roy Jones Jr.]], [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA titlists to be recognized super champions. ("Super champion" is used as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the following.)

	~~Felix Trinidad unified his WBA~~ super ~~welterweight world title on~~ December 2, 2000 ~~with [[Fernando Vargas\|Fernando Vargas's]] IBF super welterweight world title. Like Jones Jr., Trinidad~~ is listed as both regular and super champion ~~from December 2000 until March 2001 in the WBA ratings~~. Does that mean that ~~Trinidad~~ still held the regular title during the first months of his super championship? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and ~~Trinidad~~ lost the regular title the day he became super champion?		On which date was Roy Jones Jr. upgraded to super champion at light heavyweight? In the ratings from December 2000 until March 2001 he is listed as both regular and super champion. Does that mean that Jones Jr. still held the regular title during the first months of his super championship? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Jones Jr. lost the regular title the day he became super champion?

	~~Kostya Tszyu~~ unified his ~~WBC~~ super ~~lightweight world~~ title on ~~February 3~~, ~~2001~~ with [[~~Sharmba Mitchell~~\|~~Sharmba Mitchell~~'s]] ~~WBA~~ super ~~lightweight world~~ title. ~~In the WBA ratings as of February 2001 he is merely listed as regular champion. Did he not become super champion the day he unified the titles or are the ratings wrong?~~ Like Jones Jr. ~~and~~ Trinidad~~, Tszyu~~ is listed as both regular and super champion in the ~~WBA~~ ratings ~~as of March 2001~~. Does that mean that ~~Tszyu~~ still held the regular title ~~after becoming~~ super ~~champion~~? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and ~~Tszyu~~ lost the regular title the day he became super champion?		Felix Trinidad unified his WBA super welterweight title on December 2, 2000 with [[Fernando Vargas\|Fernando Vargas's]] IBF super welterweight title. Like Jones Jr., Trinidad is listed as both regular and super champion from December 2000 until March 2001 in the ratings. Does that mean that Trinidad still held the regular title during the first months of his super championship? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Trinidad lost the regular title the day he became super champion?

	~~10. On which date did~~ [[~~Victor Callejas~~\|~~Victor Callejas~~'s]] WBA super ~~bantamweight world~~ title become ~~vacant? Did~~ he ~~abandon his title~~ or ~~was he stripped of it by~~ the ~~WBA~~? ~~According to [[Victor Callejas vs~~. ~~Loris Stecca (2nd meeting)\|this fight page]]~~, ~~"Callejas~~ is ~~stripped~~ of the title ~~in November 1986 for failing to defend it."~~		Kostya Tszyu unified his WBC super lightweight title on February 3, 2001 with [[Sharmba Mitchell\|Sharmba Mitchell's]] WBA super lightweight title. In the ratings as of February 2001 he is merely listed as regular champion. Did he not become super champion the day he unified the titles or are the ratings wrong? Like Jones Jr. and Trinidad, Tszyu is listed as both regular and super champion in the ratings as of March 2001. Does that mean that Tszyu still held the regular title after becoming super champion? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Tszyu lost the regular title the day he became super champion?

	11. Were the following fights for the WBA heavyweight ~~world~~ title?		11. On which date did [[Victor Callejas\|Victor Callejas's]] WBA super bantamweight title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA? According to [[Victor Callejas vs. Loris Stecca (2nd meeting)\|this fight page]], "Callejas is stripped of the title in November 1986 for failing to defend it."

			12. Were the following fights for the WBA heavyweight title?

	[[Sonny Liston]] vs. [[Floyd Patterson]] on September 25, 1962		[[Sonny Liston]] vs. [[Floyd Patterson]] on September 25, 1962
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	The [http://www.boxrec.com/title_search.php?title=WBA&division=Heavyweight&SUBMIT=Go WBA title page] does not list them.		The [http://www.boxrec.com/title_search.php?title=WBA&division=Heavyweight&SUBMIT=Go WBA title page] does not list them.

	12. Universally recognized world champions usually participated in the inaugural fights for WBA ~~world~~ titles. Had those world champions been named WBA ~~world~~ champions before the inaugural WBA title fights took place? If so, on which date(s)? Or did they compete for vacant titles? Here is a list of the inaugural ~~world~~ title fights:		13. Universally recognized world champions usually participated in the inaugural fights for WBA titles. Had those world champions been named WBA champions before the inaugural WBA title fights took place? If so, on which date(s)? Or did they compete for vacant titles? Here is a list of the inaugural title fights:

	Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston competed for the vacant (?) WBA heavyweight ~~world~~ title on September 25, 1962 assuming it was the inaugural bout for this title.		Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston competed for the vacant (?) WBA heavyweight title on September 25, 1962 assuming it was the inaugural bout for this title.

	[[Harold Johnson]] and [[Willie Pastrano]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA light heavyweight ~~world~~ title on June 1, 1963.		[[Harold Johnson]] and [[Willie Pastrano]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA light heavyweight title on June 1, 1963.

	[[Gene Fullmer]] and [[Dick Tiger]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA middleweight ~~world~~ title on October 23, 1962.		[[Gene Fullmer]] and [[Dick Tiger]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA middleweight title on October 23, 1962.

	[[Denny Moyer]] and [[Joey Giambra]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA super welterweight ~~world~~ title on October 20, 1962.		[[Denny Moyer]] and [[Joey Giambra]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA super welterweight title on October 20, 1962.

	[[Emile Griffith]] and [[Jorge Jose Fernandez]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA welterweight ~~world~~ title on December 8, 1962.		[[Emile Griffith]] and [[Jorge Jose Fernandez]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA welterweight title on December 8, 1962.

	[[Duilio Loi]] and [[Eddie Perkins]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA super lightweight ~~world~~ title on September 14, 1962.		[[Duilio Loi]] and [[Eddie Perkins]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA super lightweight title on September 14, 1962.

	[[Joe Brown]] and [[Carlos Ortiz]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA lightweight ~~world~~ title on April 21, 1962.		[[Joe Brown]] and [[Carlos Ortiz]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA lightweight title on April 21, 1962.

	[[Flash Elorde]] and [[Johnny Bizzarro]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA super featherweight ~~world~~ title on February 16, 1963.		[[Flash Elorde]] and [[Johnny Bizzarro]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA super featherweight title on February 16, 1963.

	[[Davey Moore (Featherweight)\|Davey Moore]] and [[Sugar Ramos]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA featherweight ~~world~~ title on March 21, 1963.		[[Davey Moore (Featherweight)\|Davey Moore]] and [[Sugar Ramos]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA featherweight title on March 21, 1963.

	[[Eder Jofre]] and [[Jose Medel]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA bantamweight ~~world~~ title on September 11, 1962.		[[Eder Jofre]] and [[Jose Medel]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA bantamweight title on September 11, 1962.

	[[Pone Kingpetch]] and [[Fighting Harada]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA flyweight ~~world~~ title on October 10, 1962.		[[Pone Kingpetch]] and [[Fighting Harada]] competed for the vacant (?) WBA flyweight title on October 10, 1962.

	==See also==		==See also==

Emaster: updated

2012-01-20T17:08:13Z

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Emaster: added question whether cruiserweight title was at stake in Holyfield vs. Qawi II

2010-04-06T23:01:26Z

added question whether cruiserweight title was at stake in Holyfield vs. Qawi II

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	Kostya Tszyu unified his WBC super lightweight world title on February 3, 2001 with [[Sharmba Mitchell\|Sharmba Mitchell's]] WBA super lightweight world title. In the WBA ratings from February 2001 he is merely listed as regular champion. Did he not become super champion the day he unified the titles or are the ratings wrong? Like Jones Jr. and Trinidad, Tszyu is listed as super and regular champion in the WBA ratings from March 2001. Does that mean that Tszyu still held the regular title after becoming super champion? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Tszyu lost the regular title the day he became super champion?		Kostya Tszyu unified his WBC super lightweight world title on February 3, 2001 with [[Sharmba Mitchell\|Sharmba Mitchell's]] WBA super lightweight world title. In the WBA ratings from February 2001 he is merely listed as regular champion. Did he not become super champion the day he unified the titles or are the ratings wrong? Like Jones Jr. and Trinidad, Tszyu is listed as super and regular champion in the WBA ratings from March 2001. Does that mean that Tszyu still held the regular title after becoming super champion? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Tszyu lost the regular title the day he became super champion?

	9. ~~On which date did~~ [[~~Victor Callejas~~\|~~Victor Callejas's~~]] ~~WBA super bantamweight world title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA~~?		9. Was the WBA cruiserweight title really at stake in the [[Evander Holyfield vs. Dwight Muhammad Qawi (2nd meeting)\|Holyfield vs. Qawi rematch]] on December 5, 1987?

	10. Were the following fights for the WBA heavyweight world title?		10. On which date did [[Victor Callejas\|Victor Callejas's]] WBA super bantamweight world title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA?

			11. Were the following fights for the WBA heavyweight world title?

	[[Sonny Liston]] vs. [[Floyd Patterson]] on September 25, 1962		[[Sonny Liston]] vs. [[Floyd Patterson]] on September 25, 1962
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	[[Muhammad Ali]] vs. Sonny Liston on February 25, 1964		[[Muhammad Ali]] vs. Sonny Liston on February 25, 1964

	11. Before the WBA began to recognize world champions in the 1960s, the universally recognized world champions were usually allowed to compete in the inaugural fights for the WBA world titles. Had those world champions been named WBA world champions before the inaugural fights for the WBA world titles took place, if yes on which dates? Or did they compete for the vacant WBA world titles? Here is a list of the inaugural world title fights in the 1960s:		12. Before the WBA began to recognize world champions in the 1960s, the universally recognized world champions were usually allowed to compete in the inaugural fights for the WBA world titles. Had those world champions been named WBA world champions before the inaugural fights for the WBA world titles took place, if yes on which dates? Or did they compete for the vacant WBA world titles? Here is a list of the inaugural world title fights in the 1960s:

	Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson competed for the vacant (?) WBA heavyweight world title on September 25, 1962 assuming it was the inaugural bout for this title.		Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson competed for the vacant (?) WBA heavyweight world title on September 25, 1962 assuming it was the inaugural bout for this title.
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	*[[Category talk:World Champions By Weight Class#Inconsistent treatment of inaugural title fights by BoxRec and title lineage listings]]		*[[Category talk:World Champions By Weight Class#Inconsistent treatment of inaugural title fights by BoxRec and title lineage listings]]
	*[[Talk:WBA Heavyweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBA Heavyweight Champion]]
			*[http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24590 Holyfield-Qawi II]
	*[[Talk:WBA Middleweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBA Middleweight Champion]]
	*[[Talk:Victor Callejas]]		*[[Talk:Victor Callejas]]

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	==Catalogue of questions regarding the WBA==		==Catalogue of questions regarding the WBA==
	1. On which date was [[Giovanni Segura]] upgraded from interim to full WBA light flyweight champion? The [http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/1WBA_Official_Ratings_as_of_May_2009.pdf WBA ratings as of May 2009] allege it was on March 14, 2009, the day Segura captured the interim title from [[Cesar Canchila]] according to [http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=181623&cat=boxer Segura's BoxRec ~~boxer~~ page].		1. On which date was [[Giovanni Segura]] upgraded from interim to full WBA light flyweight champion? The [http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/1WBA_Official_Ratings_as_of_May_2009.pdf WBA ratings as of May 2009] allege it was on March 14, 2009, the day Segura captured the interim title from [[Cesar Canchila]] according to [http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=181623&cat=boxer Segura's BoxRec page].

	2. On which date was [[Ricardo Cordoba]] upgraded from WBA super bantamweight interim to regular titlist? Was it on the same day that [[Celestino Caballero]] won the WBA super bantamweight super championship?		2. On which date was [[Ricardo Cordoba]] upgraded from WBA super bantamweight interim to regular titlist? Was it on the same day that [[Celestino Caballero]] won the WBA super bantamweight super championship?
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	3. On which date did [[David Haye]]'s WBA cruiserweight super championship become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA?		3. On which date did [[David Haye]]'s WBA cruiserweight super championship become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA?

	4. I remember [[Virgil Hill]] being champion in recess at the end of his second reign as the WBA cruiserweight regular champion~~. This claim~~ is confirmed by [http://~~www.fightnews~~.com/~~fightnews_2~~/~~headlines/EElllVVlVpknSAsuhc~~.~~html~~ this ~~article~~]. Hill is not marked as champion in recess in the last issue of the [http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/wba0907.pdf WBA ratings] ~~showing~~ him as champion ~~(in recess?),~~ though.		4. I remember [[Virgil Hill]] being champion in recess at the end of his second reign as the WBA cruiserweight regular champion, which is confirmed by [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=815068#p815068 this WBA resolution]. Hill is not marked as champion in recess in the last issue of the [http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/wba0907.pdf WBA ratings] to show him as champion though.

	5. Is it true that [[Jermain Taylor\|Jermain Taylor's]] WBA middleweight super title was not at stake when drawing with [[Ronald (Winky) Wright\|Ronald Wright]] on June 17, 2006 and beating [[Kassim Ouma]] on December 9, 2006?		5. Is it true that [[Jermain Taylor\|Jermain Taylor's]] WBA middleweight super title was not at stake when drawing with [[Ronald (Winky) Wright\|Ronald Wright]] on June 17, 2006 and beating [[Kassim Ouma]] on December 9, 2006?

Emaster: clarified the Jones Jr. super championshp situation

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	6. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date was he stripped of it?		6. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date was he stripped of it?

	7. In the [http://wbanews.com/artman/publish/ratingsRecords/index.shtml WBA ratings] from March/April 2003 until January 2004, [[Roy Jones Jr.]] is not entered as WBA super champion at light heavyweight. When Jones regained the WBC light heavyweight world title on November 8, 2003, the WBA light heavyweight super championship is not ~~deemed to have been~~ at stake ~~as seemingly none of the contestants had held it prior~~ to ~~their bout~~. Why has Jones Jr. been reentered as super champion from February 2004 until his loss to [[Antonio Tarver]] in their rematch on May 15, 2004? -- Probably because he was reinstated as WBA super champion at light heavyweight after giving up his WBA heavyweight title. But has Jones in this case also retroactively gained recognition as the WBA light heavyweight super champion for the ~~time~~ the ratings only show him to be the WBA heavyweight champion or ~~should~~ the WBA super championship even be considered at stake in ~~Jones's~~ fight ~~with Antonio Tarver on~~ November 8, 2003?		7. In the [http://wbanews.com/artman/publish/ratingsRecords/index.shtml WBA ratings] from March/April 2003 until January 2004, [[Roy Jones Jr.]] is not entered as WBA super champion at light heavyweight. When Jones regained the WBC light heavyweight world title on November 8, 2003, the WBA light heavyweight super championship was not at stake according to BoxRec. Why has Jones Jr. been reentered as super champion from February 2004 until April 2004, the last ratings before his loss to [[Antonio Tarver]] in their rematch on May 15, 2004? -- Probably because he was reinstated as WBA super champion at light heavyweight after giving up his WBA heavyweight title. But has Jones in this case also retroactively gained recognition as the WBA light heavyweight super champion for the period the ratings only show him to be the WBA heavyweight champion or at least for the period since his fight with Antonio Tarver on November 8, 2003? Should the WBA super championship even be considered at stake in that fight? (The ratings from February 2004 until April 2004 state November 8, 2003 as the date on which Jones won his title.)

	8. Roy Jones Jr., [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA world champions to be considered super champions. (I use "super champion" as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the WBA.)		8. Roy Jones Jr., [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA world champions to be considered super champions. (I use "super champion" as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the WBA.)

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	Kostya Tszyu unified his WBC super lightweight world title on February 3, 2001 with [[Sharmba Mitchell\|Sharmba Mitchell's]] WBA super lightweight world title. In the WBA ratings from February 2001 he is merely listed as regular champion. Did he not become super champion the day he unified the titles or are the ratings wrong? Like Jones Jr. and Trinidad, Tszyu is listed as super and regular champion in the WBA ratings from March 2001. Does that mean that Tszyu still held the regular title after becoming super champion? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Tszyu lost the regular title the day he became super champion?		Kostya Tszyu unified his WBC super lightweight world title on February 3, 2001 with [[Sharmba Mitchell\|Sharmba Mitchell's]] WBA super lightweight world title. In the WBA ratings from February 2001 he is merely listed as regular champion. Did he not become super champion the day he unified the titles or are the ratings wrong? Like Jones Jr. and Trinidad, Tszyu is listed as super and regular champion in the WBA ratings from March 2001. Does that mean that Tszyu still held the regular title after becoming super champion? On which date was the regular title declared vacant? Or are the ratings wrong and Tszyu lost the regular title the day he became super champion?

	9. On ~~July 29, 1988, then WBA welterweight world champion~~ [[~~Marlon Starling~~]] ~~lost to [[Tomas Molinares]], but the result~~ was ~~later changed to a No Contest~~ by ~~the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board. Did~~ the WBA ~~nevertheless consider Molinares its champion, which would mean that he had dethroned Starling via an NC~~?		9. On which date did [[Victor Callejas\|Victor Callejas's]] WBA super bantamweight world title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA?

	10~~. On which date did [[Victor Callejas\|Victor Callejas's]] WBA super bantamweight world title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBA?~~		10. Were the following fights for the WBA heavyweight world title?

	11. Were the following fights for the WBA heavyweight world title?

	[[Sonny Liston]] vs. [[Floyd Patterson]] on September 25, 1962		[[Sonny Liston]] vs. [[Floyd Patterson]] on September 25, 1962
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	[[Muhammad Ali]] vs. Sonny Liston on February 25, 1964		[[Muhammad Ali]] vs. Sonny Liston on February 25, 1964

	12. Before the WBA began to recognize world champions in the 1960s, the universally recognized world champions were usually allowed to compete in the inaugural fights for the WBA world titles. Had those world champions been named WBA world champions before the inaugural fights for the WBA world titles took place, if yes on which dates? Or did they compete for the vacant WBA world titles? Here is a list of the inaugural world title fights in the 1960s:		11. Before the WBA began to recognize world champions in the 1960s, the universally recognized world champions were usually allowed to compete in the inaugural fights for the WBA world titles. Had those world champions been named WBA world champions before the inaugural fights for the WBA world titles took place, if yes on which dates? Or did they compete for the vacant WBA world titles? Here is a list of the inaugural world title fights in the 1960s:

	Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson competed for the vacant (?) WBA heavyweight world title on September 25, 1962 assuming it was the inaugural bout for this title.		Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson competed for the vacant (?) WBA heavyweight world title on September 25, 1962 assuming it was the inaugural bout for this title.
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	*[[Talk:WBA Heavyweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBA Heavyweight Champion]]
	*[[Talk:WBA Middleweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBA Middleweight Champion]]
	*[[Talk:WBA Welterweight Champion]]
	*[[Talk:Victor Callejas]]		*[[Talk:Victor Callejas]]

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	6. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date was he stripped of it?		6. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date was he stripped of it?

	7. In the [http://wbanews.com/artman/publish/ratingsRecords/index.shtml WBA ratings] from March/April 2003 until January 2004, [[Roy Jones Jr.]] is not entered as WBA super champion at light heavyweight. When Jones regained the WBC light heavyweight world title on November 8, 2003, the WBA light heavyweight super championship ~~was~~ not at stake as none of the contestants had held it prior to their bout. Why has Jones Jr. been reentered as super champion from February 2004 until his loss to [[Antonio Tarver]] in their rematch on May 15, 2004? -- Probably because he was reinstated as WBA super champion at light heavyweight after giving up his WBA heavyweight title. ~~Has~~ Jones in this case also retroactively gained recognition as the WBA light heavyweight super champion for the time the ratings only show him to be the WBA heavyweight champion?		7. In the [http://wbanews.com/artman/publish/ratingsRecords/index.shtml WBA ratings] from March/April 2003 until January 2004, [[Roy Jones Jr.]] is not entered as WBA super champion at light heavyweight. When Jones regained the WBC light heavyweight world title on November 8, 2003, the WBA light heavyweight super championship is not deemed to have been at stake as seemingly none of the contestants had held it prior to their bout. Why has Jones Jr. been reentered as super champion from February 2004 until his loss to [[Antonio Tarver]] in their rematch on May 15, 2004? -- Probably because he was reinstated as WBA super champion at light heavyweight after giving up his WBA heavyweight title. But has Jones in this case also retroactively gained recognition as the WBA light heavyweight super champion for the time the ratings only show him to be the WBA heavyweight champion or should the WBA super championship even be considered at stake in Jones's fight with Antonio Tarver on November 8, 2003?

	8. Roy Jones Jr., [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA world champions to be considered super champions. (I use "super champion" as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the WBA.)		8. Roy Jones Jr., [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA world champions to be considered super champions. (I use "super champion" as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the WBA.)

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	*[[Category talk:World Champions By Weight Class#Inconsistent treatment of inaugural title fights by BoxRec and title lineage listings]]		*[[Category talk:World Champions By Weight Class#Inconsistent treatment of inaugural title fights by BoxRec and title lineage listings]]
	*[[Talk:WBA Heavyweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBA Heavyweight Champion]]
	*[[Talk:Antonio Tarver vs. Roy Jones Jr. (1st meeting)]]
	*[[Talk:WBA Middleweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBA Middleweight Champion]]
	*[[Talk:WBA Welterweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBA Welterweight Champion]]

Emaster: clarified

2009-10-31T04:25:04Z

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	== Catalogue of questions regarding the WBA ==		==Catalogue of questions regarding the WBA==

	1. On which date was [[Giovanni Segura]] upgraded from interim to full WBA light flyweight champion? The [http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/1WBA_Official_Ratings_as_of_May_2009.pdf WBA ratings as of May 2009] allege it was on March 14, 2009, the day Segura captured the interim title from [[Cesar Canchila]] according to [http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=181623&cat=boxer Segura's BoxRec boxer page].		1. On which date was [[Giovanni Segura]] upgraded from interim to full WBA light flyweight champion? The [http://wbanews.com/artman/uploads/1/1WBA_Official_Ratings_as_of_May_2009.pdf WBA ratings as of May 2009] allege it was on March 14, 2009, the day Segura captured the interim title from [[Cesar Canchila]] according to [http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=181623&cat=boxer Segura's BoxRec boxer page].

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	6. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date was he stripped of it?		6. On which date was [[Travis Simms]] declared champion in recess at super welterweight? Or is he retroactively considered champion in recess from the day he was stripped of his regular title in 2005? On which date was he stripped of it?

	7. In the [http://wbanews.com/artman/publish/ratingsRecords/index.shtml WBA ratings] from March/April 2003 until January 2004, [[Roy Jones Jr.]] is not entered as super champion at light heavyweight~~, possibly because he had lost his WBC and IBF light heavyweight world titles on March 1, 2003 so that his WBA light heavyweight super championship might have become vacant automatically~~. When Jones regained the WBC light heavyweight world title on November 8, 2003, the WBA light heavyweight super championship was not at stake~~, maybe because~~ none of the contestants had held it prior to their bout. Why has Jones Jr. been reentered as super champion from February 2004 until his loss to [[Antonio Tarver]] in their rematch on May 15, 2004 ~~and how could the super championship be at stake in that fight~~? ~~Or are the~~ WBA ~~ratings wrong and Jones Jr. had been~~ super champion ~~throughout in spite of~~ his ~~holding no other major~~ title ~~from March 1, 2003 until November 8, 2003? And if he had indeed be considered~~ super champion ~~all the time, why was his super championship not at stake on November 8, 2003 when Jones Jr. met Tarver~~ for the ~~first~~ time?		7. In the [http://wbanews.com/artman/publish/ratingsRecords/index.shtml WBA ratings] from March/April 2003 until January 2004, [[Roy Jones Jr.]] is not entered as WBA super champion at light heavyweight. When Jones regained the WBC light heavyweight world title on November 8, 2003, the WBA light heavyweight super championship was not at stake as none of the contestants had held it prior to their bout. Why has Jones Jr. been reentered as super champion from February 2004 until his loss to [[Antonio Tarver]] in their rematch on May 15, 2004? -- Probably because he was reinstated as WBA super champion at light heavyweight after giving up his WBA heavyweight title. Has Jones in this case also retroactively gained recognition as the WBA light heavyweight super champion for the time the ratings only show him to be the WBA heavyweight champion?

	~~An answer for~~ the ~~possible case that Jones Jr. was in fact super champion throughout is that~~ the WBA ~~can recognize fighters as their super champions who do not hold another major belt (e.g. [[Antonio Margarito]], who was upgraded to super~~ champion ~~in 2008).~~

	8. Roy Jones Jr., [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA world champions to be considered super champions. (I use "super champion" as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the WBA.)		8. Roy Jones Jr., [[Felix Trinidad]], and [[Kostya Tszyu]] were the first WBA world champions to be considered super champions. (I use "super champion" as a generic term for unified, undisputed and super champions in the WBA.)