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2012-03-20T22:48:09Z

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	*[[Hozumi Hasegawa vs. Fernando Montiel\|Montiel vs. Hasegawa]] for WBO title? [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2502924#p2502924] (and later posts)		*[[Hozumi Hasegawa vs. Fernando Montiel\|Montiel vs. Hasegawa]] for WBO title? [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2502924#p2502924] (and later posts)
	*WBO light flyweight title situation [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=129819]		*WBO light flyweight title situation [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=129819]
			*WBO super championship [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=149990]
	*Fights for vacant or nonvacant (interim) world titles? [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=84097]		*Fights for vacant or nonvacant (interim) world titles? [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=84097]
	*Title or nontitle fight if one contestant is overweight? [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=102837]		*Title or nontitle fight if one contestant is overweight? [http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=102837]

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]]		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]]

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2012-01-20T17:08:22Z

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Emaster: I fear their own data are inaccurate

2009-03-04T22:24:34Z

I fear their own data are inaccurate

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	Emaster, when I started adding the sortable tables to these wikis I just took the information that was already there. I'm not sure if it came from the main wikipedia site or from peoples best guesses as to if somebody vacated or was stripped of the title and when. If you consider the WBO Convention Magazine more accurate and reliable, feel free to use their dates. I would think that the WBO Convention Magazines dates are probably more accurate than what's already here. The info comes from the WBO, how more accurate and reliable can you get. As for the number of defenses some champions had, a little more research should be done. I would ask that question in the records section in the BoxRec forum. Apparently some title fights are not marked in the database.--[[User:Rowdytimothy\|Rowdytimothy]] 21:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)		Emaster, when I started adding the sortable tables to these wikis I just took the information that was already there. I'm not sure if it came from the main wikipedia site or from peoples best guesses as to if somebody vacated or was stripped of the title and when. If you consider the WBO Convention Magazine more accurate and reliable, feel free to use their dates. I would think that the WBO Convention Magazines dates are probably more accurate than what's already here. The info comes from the WBO, how more accurate and reliable can you get. As for the number of defenses some champions had, a little more research should be done. I would ask that question in the records section in the BoxRec forum. Apparently some title fights are not marked in the database.--[[User:Rowdytimothy\|Rowdytimothy]] 21:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

			:I just wanted to give everyone the opportunity to see where the WBO's official data disagree with data already entered into the encyclopaedia. Having scrutinized the crucial pages in their Convention Magazine I must say, though, that its presentation of the data looks rather sloppy; thus their own information is likely to be inaccurate and unreliable.--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 22:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Rowdytimothy at 21:47, 4 March 2009

2009-03-04T21:47:49Z

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	On which date did [[Fernando Montiel]] lose the WBO super flyweight title? Did he vacate his title or was he stripped of it?--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 21:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)		On which date did [[Fernando Montiel]] lose the WBO super flyweight title? Did he vacate his title or was he stripped of it?--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 21:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

			Emaster, when I started adding the sortable tables to these wikis I just took the information that was already there. I'm not sure if it came from the main wikipedia site or from peoples best guesses as to if somebody vacated or was stripped of the title and when. If you consider the WBO Convention Magazine more accurate and reliable, feel free to use their dates. I would think that the WBO Convention Magazines dates are probably more accurate than what's already here. The info comes from the WBO, how more accurate and reliable can you get. As for the number of defenses some champions had, a little more research should be done. I would ask that question in the records section in the BoxRec forum. Apparently some title fights are not marked in the database.--[[User:Rowdytimothy\|Rowdytimothy]] 21:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Emaster: When did Fernando Montiel lose his WBO super flyweight title?

2009-03-04T21:02:36Z

When did Fernando Montiel lose his WBO super flyweight title?

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	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 21:41, 9 February 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 21:41, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

			On which date did [[Fernando Montiel]] lose the WBO super flyweight title? Did he vacate his title or was he stripped of it?--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 21:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Emaster: added question on Greg Haugen's reign as WBO light welterweight titlist and contradictions between data in encyclopaedia and in the WBO's Convention Magazine

2009-02-09T21:41:25Z

added question on Greg Haugen's reign as WBO light welterweight titlist and contradictions between data in encyclopaedia and in the WBO's Convention Magazine

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	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 13:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 13:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

			8. According to page 72 of the [http://www.wbo-int.com/fpdb/pdf/WBO2008_52-80.pdf WBO Convention Magazine], [[Greg Haugen]] was "stripped of [his WBO junior welterweight] Title for Failure to Pass Drug Test." If this is true, it must have happened after his first bout with then titlist [[Hector Camacho]] on February 23, 1991 so that the vacant title may have been at stake in their rematch on May 18, 1991. Or had the title been reawarded to Camacho? In BoxRec, it is not marked vacant. If Camacho had been given his title back, mightn't the first fight with Haugen have been declared an NC and Haugen's reign void?

			9. Some data in this encyclopaedia differ from those given on pages 70 - 74 in the [http://www.wbo-int.com/fpdb/pdf/WBO2008_52-80.pdf WBO Convention Magazine].

			As to the dates on which reigns began or ended:

			Cruiserweight champion [[Dariusz Michalczewski]]'s reign ended in Jan 1995 according to this encyclopaedia, in Dec 1994 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Cruiserweight champion [[Johnny Nelson]]'s reign ended on Sep 22, 2006 according to this encyclopaedia, in Oct 2006 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Cruiserweight champion [[Enzo Maccarinelli]]'s reign began on Jul 8, 2006 according to this encyclopaedia, in Oct 2006 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Light Heavyweight champion [[Michael Moorer]]'s reign ended on May 9, 1991 according to this encyclopaedia, on Jan 1, 1991 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Middleweight champion [[Thomas Hearns]]'s reign ended on Apr 28, 1990 according to this encyclopaedia, on Apr 4, 1991 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Middleweight champion [[Steve Collins]]'s reign ended on Jul 5, 1997 according to this encyclopaedia, on Oct 2, 1997 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Middleweight champion [[Joe Calzaghe]]'s reign ended on Sep 26, 2008 according to this encyclopaedia, on Sep 24, 2008 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Middleweight champion [[Otis Grant]]'s reign ended in 1998 according to this encyclopaedia, on Oct 19, 1997 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Light Middleweight champion [[John David Jackson]]'s reign ended on Oct 30, 1993 according to this encyclopaedia, on Oct 1, 1993 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Light Welterweight champion [[Hector Camacho]]'s second reign ended in 1992 according to this encyclopaedia, on Sep 12, 1992 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Light Welterweight champion [[Miguel Angel Cotto]]'s reign ended on Oct 27, 2006 according to this encyclopaedia, in Jul 2006 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Featherweight champion [[Acelino Freitas]]'s reign ended on Jan 15, 2004 according to this encyclopaedia, on Apr 9, 2003 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Featherweight champion [[Joan Guzman]]'s reign ended on May 15, 2008 according to this encyclopaedia, on May 12, 2008 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Featherweight champion [[Alex Arthur]]'s reign began on May 15, 2008 according to this encyclopaedia, on May 12, 2008 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Featherweight champion [[Jorge Paez]]'s reign ended in 1991 according to this encyclopaedia, on Sep 22, 1990 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Featherweight champion [[Naseem Hamed]]'s reign ended on Sep 30, 2000 according to this encyclopaedia, on Oct 1, 2000 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Featherweight champion [[Scott Harrison]]'s second reign ended in Jun 2006 according to this encyclopaedia, on Dec 6, 2006 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Featherweight champion [[Juan Manuel Marquez]]'s reign ended on Apr 1, 2007 according to this encyclopaedia, in Jan 2007 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Bantamweight champion [[Joan Guzman]]'s reign ended in Jul 2005 according to this encyclopaedia, on Aug 26, 2005 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Bantamweight champion [[Johnny Tapia]]'s reign ended in Sep 2000 according to this encyclopaedia, on Jun 1, 2000 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Minimumweight champion [[Rafael Torres]]'s reign ended in 1993 according to this encyclopaedia, in Dec 1990 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Minimumweight champion [[Ivan Calderon]]'s reign ended in Sep, 2007 according to this encyclopaedia, in Aug 2007 according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			As to the way reigns ended:

			Heavyweight champion [[Ray Mercer]] was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Heavyweight champion [[Riddick Bowe]] was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Middleweight champion [[Harry Simon]] retired according to the [[WBO Middleweight Champion\|WBO middleweight champion lineage]], but merely vacated his title according his boxer page and the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Welterweight champion [[Genaro Leon]] vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but was stripped of it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Welterweight champion [[Gert Bo Jacobsen]] vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but was stripped of it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Welterweight champion [[Jose Luis Lopez (Maestrito)\|Jose Luis Lopez]] vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but was stripped of it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Welterweight champion [[Michael Loewe]] merely vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but retired according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Light Welterweight champion [[Ener Julio]] was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Featherweight champion [[Regilio Tuur]] merely vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but retired according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Bantamweight champion [[Robbie Regan]] vacated his title according to this encyclopaedia, but was stripped of it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Light Flyweight champion [[Michael Carbajal]] was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Light Flyweight champion [[Masibulele Makepula]] was stripped of his title according to this encyclopaedia, but vacated it according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			As to the number of title defenses accomplished:

			Welterweight champion [[Gert Bo Jacobsen]] never defended his title according to this encyclopaedia, but six times according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Light Welterweight champion [[Zack Padilla]] defended his title four times according to this encyclopaedia, but five times according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Bantamweight champion [[Israel Contreras]] defended his title once according to this encyclopaedia, but three times according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			Super Flyweight champion [[Johnny Tapia]] defended his title 13 times according to this encyclopaedia, but twelve times according to the WBO's Convention Magazine.

			--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 21:41, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Emaster: removed solved issue

2009-02-02T21:35:17Z

removed solved issue

Rowdytimothy: Talk:WBO moved to Talk:World Boxing Organization

2009-01-19T01:11:27Z

Talk:WBO moved to Talk:World Boxing Organization

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Emaster: added question pertaining David Haye's vacating of the cruiserweight title

2008-10-26T02:35:37Z

added question pertaining David Haye's vacating of the cruiserweight title

Emaster: /* Catalogue of questions regarding the WBO */ added two links

2008-08-13T13:38:39Z

Catalogue of questions regarding the WBO: added two links

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	Some of the questions above had already been presented on the following pages:		Some of the questions above had already been presented on the following pages:
			*[http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=84097 Fights for vacant or nonvacant world titles?]
	*[[Talk:WBO Middleweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBO Middleweight Champion]]
	*[[Talk:WBO Super Bantamweight Champion]]		*[[Talk:WBO Super Bantamweight Champion]]
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	*[[Talk:Ricardo Lopez vs. Rosendo Alvarez (1st meeting)]]		*[[Talk:Ricardo Lopez vs. Rosendo Alvarez (1st meeting)]]

	--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 13:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)		See also:
			*[http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=87475 Contacting sanctioning bodies]

			--[[User:Emaster\|Emaster]] 13:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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	== Catalogue of questions regarding the WBO ==		== Catalogue of questions regarding the WBO ==

	1~~. On which date did David Haye's WBO cruiserweight title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBO?~~		1. The following bouts pitted overweight former champions who had lost their titles on the scales against challengers who won the following fights and the titles which had been at stake for the challengers only. Are these fights considered title fights? Are the titles at stake deemed to have been vacant prior to the bouts? Had the former champions been stripped of their titles one day before their fights?

	2. The following bouts pitted overweight former champions who had lost their titles on the scales against challengers who won the following fights and the titles which had been at stake for the challengers only. Are these fights considered title fights? Are the titles at stake deemed to have been vacant prior to the bouts? Had the former champions been stripped of their titles one day before their fights?

	[[Mike Anchondo]] and [[Jorge Rodrigo Barrios]] competed for the vacant (?) WBO super featherweight title (?) on April 8, 2005.		[[Mike Anchondo]] and [[Jorge Rodrigo Barrios]] competed for the vacant (?) WBO super featherweight title (?) on April 8, 2005.
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	Jorge Rodrigo Barrios and [[Joan Guzman]] competed for the vacant (?) WBO super featherweight title (?) on September 16, 2006.		Jorge Rodrigo Barrios and [[Joan Guzman]] competed for the vacant (?) WBO super featherweight title (?) on September 16, 2006.

	3. On which date was [[Hector Javier Velazco]] upgraded from WBO middleweight interim world champion to full WBO middleweight world champion? And on which date did [[Harry Simon]], Velazco's predecessor, abandon the title?		2. On which date was [[Hector Javier Velazco]] upgraded from WBO middleweight interim world champion to full WBO middleweight world champion? And on which date did [[Harry Simon]], Velazco's predecessor, abandon the title?

	4. Is it true that [[Adonis Rivas]] won only the interim version of the WBO flyweight world title on May 4, 2002 although the full version of the title was vacant at that time? On which date was Rivas upgraded to full champion?		3. Is it true that [[Adonis Rivas]] won only the interim version of the WBO flyweight world title on May 4, 2002 although the full version of the title was vacant at that time? On which date was Rivas upgraded to full champion?

	5. Is [[Armand Krajnc\|Armand Krajnc's]] reign split? He abandoned his WBO middleweight world title in 2001, but was later reappointed champion by the WBO. If his reign is split as a result, on which date did he relinquish his title and on which date did he get it back? Or is the reign not split and Krajnc's vacating of the title was declared void after he had got the title back?		4. Is [[Armand Krajnc\|Armand Krajnc's]] reign split? He abandoned his WBO middleweight world title in 2001, but was later reappointed champion by the WBO. If his reign is split as a result, on which date did he relinquish his title and on which date did he get it back? Or is the reign not split and Krajnc's vacating of the title was declared void after he had got the title back?

	6. After [[Erik Morales]] defeated then WBO super bantamweight champion [[Marco Antonio Barrera]] on February 19, 2000 he was refused Barrera's title by the WBO. Furthermore, Barrera was given the title back.		5. After [[Erik Morales]] defeated then WBO super bantamweight champion [[Marco Antonio Barrera]] on February 19, 2000 he was refused Barrera's title by the WBO. Furthermore, Barrera was given the title back.

	Does that mean that Morales dethroned Barrera, was stripped immediately and Barrera was reawarded the title without having to regain it in the ring? If this is true, on which date was Morales stripped of the title and on which date was Barrera reappointed champion?		Does that mean that Morales dethroned Barrera, was stripped immediately and Barrera was reawarded the title without having to regain it in the ring? If this is true, on which date was Morales stripped of the title and on which date was Barrera reappointed champion?
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	Or did the fight even count as a successful title defense for Barrera although he had lost the fight?		Or did the fight even count as a successful title defense for Barrera although he had lost the fight?

	7. Is it correct that [[Ricardo Lopez]] relinquished his WBO minimumweight world title on March 6, 1998?		6. Is it correct that [[Ricardo Lopez]] relinquished his WBO minimumweight world title on March 6, 1998?

	8. [[Eric Jamili]] won a version of the WBO minimumweight world title on December 19, 1997. Was it the interim title?		7. [[Eric Jamili]] won a version of the WBO minimumweight world title on December 19, 1997. Was it the interim title?

	Some of the questions above had already been presented on the following pages:		Some of the questions above had already been presented on the following pages:

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	== Catalogue of questions regarding the WBO ==		== Catalogue of questions regarding the WBO ==

	1. The following bouts pitted overweight former champions who had lost their titles on the scales against challengers who won the following fights and the titles which had been at stake for the challengers only. Are these fights considered title fights? Are the titles at stake deemed to have been vacant prior to the bouts? Had the former champions been stripped of their titles one day before their fights?		1. On which date did David Haye's WBO cruiserweight title become vacant? Did he abandon his title or was he stripped of it by the WBO?

			2. The following bouts pitted overweight former champions who had lost their titles on the scales against challengers who won the following fights and the titles which had been at stake for the challengers only. Are these fights considered title fights? Are the titles at stake deemed to have been vacant prior to the bouts? Had the former champions been stripped of their titles one day before their fights?

	[[Mike Anchondo]] and [[Jorge Rodrigo Barrios]] competed for the vacant (?) WBO super featherweight title (?) on April 8, 2005.		[[Mike Anchondo]] and [[Jorge Rodrigo Barrios]] competed for the vacant (?) WBO super featherweight title (?) on April 8, 2005.
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	Jorge Rodrigo Barrios and [[Joan Guzman]] competed for the vacant (?) WBO super featherweight title (?) on September 16, 2006.		Jorge Rodrigo Barrios and [[Joan Guzman]] competed for the vacant (?) WBO super featherweight title (?) on September 16, 2006.

	2. On which date was [[Hector Javier Velazco]] upgraded from WBO middleweight interim world champion to full WBO middleweight world champion? And on which date did [[Harry Simon]], Velazco's predecessor, abandon the title?		3. On which date was [[Hector Javier Velazco]] upgraded from WBO middleweight interim world champion to full WBO middleweight world champion? And on which date did [[Harry Simon]], Velazco's predecessor, abandon the title?

	3. Is it true that [[Adonis Rivas]] won only the interim version of the WBO flyweight world title on May 4, 2002 although the full version of the title was vacant at that time? On which date was Rivas upgraded to full champion?		4. Is it true that [[Adonis Rivas]] won only the interim version of the WBO flyweight world title on May 4, 2002 although the full version of the title was vacant at that time? On which date was Rivas upgraded to full champion?

	4. Is [[Armand Krajnc\|Armand Krajnc's]] reign split? He abandoned his WBO middleweight world title in 2001, but was later reappointed champion by the WBO. If his reign is split as a result, on which date did he relinquish his title and on which date did he get it back? Or is the reign not split and Krajnc's vacating of the title was declared void after he had got the title back?		5. Is [[Armand Krajnc\|Armand Krajnc's]] reign split? He abandoned his WBO middleweight world title in 2001, but was later reappointed champion by the WBO. If his reign is split as a result, on which date did he relinquish his title and on which date did he get it back? Or is the reign not split and Krajnc's vacating of the title was declared void after he had got the title back?

	5. After [[Erik Morales]] defeated then WBO super bantamweight champion [[Marco Antonio Barrera]] on February 19, 2000 he was refused Barrera's title by the WBO. Furthermore, Barrera was given the title back.		6. After [[Erik Morales]] defeated then WBO super bantamweight champion [[Marco Antonio Barrera]] on February 19, 2000 he was refused Barrera's title by the WBO. Furthermore, Barrera was given the title back.

	Does that mean that Morales dethroned Barrera, was stripped immediately and Barrera was reawarded the title without having to regain it in the ring? If this is true, on which date was Morales stripped of the title and on which date was Barrera reappointed champion?		Does that mean that Morales dethroned Barrera, was stripped immediately and Barrera was reawarded the title without having to regain it in the ring? If this is true, on which date was Morales stripped of the title and on which date was Barrera reappointed champion?
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	Or did the fight even count as a successful title defense for Barrera although he had lost the fight?		Or did the fight even count as a successful title defense for Barrera although he had lost the fight?

	6. Is it correct that [[Ricardo Lopez]] relinquished his WBO minimumweight world title on March 6, 1998?		7. Is it correct that [[Ricardo Lopez]] relinquished his WBO minimumweight world title on March 6, 1998?

	7. [[Eric Jamili]] won a version of the WBO minimumweight world title on December 19, 1997. Was it the interim title?		8. [[Eric Jamili]] won a version of the WBO minimumweight world title on December 19, 1997. Was it the interim title?

	Some of the questions above had already been presented on the following pages:		Some of the questions above had already been presented on the following pages: