Gerry Cooney vs. Joe Frazier

[drunkenpiper36]

Bonavena...he was down twice.

Far as I know Bonavena is the only guy that ever put Joe down other than Foreman.

yeah as far as I know, Bonavena is the only non-conqueror of Joe who decked him in a fight. In all seriousness Frazier needs to be a heavy favorite, and yes I believe he will win. But no way does Cooney get creamed as badly or as early as some of these guys are claiming that he would. Joe's bobbing, weaving, and swarming was the exact kind of approach that made him susceptible to hooks and uppercuts and make no mistake, he's gonna get tagged by his fair share of them against Cooney. And some of Frazier's own left hooks are going to lose power on the way up, as Cooney had so much more height. I think Joe takes some hard shots in this one before wearing down the gentleman, and I wouldn't be surprised if Cooney makes #2 on the list of guys who Smoke had to rise off the canvas to beat.[/quote]


And Cooney had a great left uppercut to go with that hook. Did Frazier ever beat anyone that big?[/quote]
Mathis was heavier but not really in great shape and certainly not as tall or hard punching. Incidentally the historical trend of fraziers career shows that the bigger the men got the more trouble he had with them.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No possible way Joe Frazier could cream Gerry Cooney? Replace Ali in MSG and we have a war?

You're one sick bastard.

[drunkenpiper36]

No possible way Joe Frazier could cream Gerry Cooney? Replace Ali in MSG and we have a war?

You're one sick bastard.

Here's my exact quote, Cletus. And try not to sleep when reading people's posts.


But no way does Cooney get creamed as badly or as early as some of these guys are claiming that he would

[drunkenpiper36]

Depending on the Year,

But, if Tom Prater could back up Gerry Cooney {June 29, 1979} with punches, just imagine what 'Smokin Joe' could do.

I agree, Frazier beats him down eventually. But the guy wasn't Dave Ziglewicz.

[raylawpc]

S* * * * * * *dick doesn't like my Cooney threads.

Why the obscenity? Children can read these threads.

[drunkenpiper36]

S* * * * * * *dick doesn't like my Cooney threads.

Why the obscenity? Children can read these threads.

I'll edit it, and ask that he deletes my quote from his end.. But you should read his sometime.

[raylawpc]

S* * * * * * *dick doesn't like my Cooney threads.

Why the obscenity? Children can read these threads.

I'll edit it, and ask that he deletes my quote from his end.. But you should read his sometime.

I have read his, and I have complained.

[drunkenpiper36]

I don't think its necessary to go to the mods if that's what you did. Lot's of guys around here use foul language, ( not that its right ), but snitching isn't the way to make friends. You told me you didn't like it, so I erased it.. That's all that needs to be done..

[Bobbyptsd]

While I don't agree with the vulgar insult he originally threw out there, it's more than a little silly to get up on a soapbox and yell: "I'm going to the mods, we need to think of the children!"

If kids are on Boxrec, they would be hard pressed to open any random thread and not see vulgarity, let's not get carried away here.

[drunkenpiper36]

While I don't agree with the vulgar insult he originally threw out there, it's more than a little silly to get up on a soapbox and yell: "I'm going to the mods, we need to think of the children!"

If kids are on Boxrec, they would be hard pressed to open any random thread and not see vulgarity, let's not get carried away here.

He never specified if he went to the mods. He just said that he complained, meaning he could have just as easily sent Saad a private message. But Just in case he did otherwise, i reminded him that this is for the most part an adult man's forum, which basically means profanity will be used from time to time. I deleted my distasteful comment to appease him.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No possible way Joe Frazier could cream Gerry Cooney? Replace Ali in MSG and we have a war?

You're one sick bastard.

Here's my exact quote, Cletus. And try not to sleep when reading people's posts.


But no way does Cooney get creamed as badly or as early as some of these guys are claiming that he would

[Bobbyptsd]

While I don't agree with the vulgar insult he originally threw out there, it's more than a little silly to get up on a soapbox and yell: "I'm going to the mods, we need to think of the children!"

If kids are on Boxrec, they would be hard pressed to open any random thread and not see vulgarity, let's not get carried away here.

He never specified if he went to the mods. He just said that he complained, meaning he could have just as easily sent Saad a private message. But Just in case he did otherwise, i reminded him that this is for the most part an adult man's forum, which basically means profanity will be used from time to time. I deleted my distasteful comment to appease him.

Yeah it's not a great idea to even bring the mods into it, or at least announce that one might be inclined to, as Rover found out.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yeah, Pipilongstocking is certainly as vulgar as demeaning the great Saad Muhammad. Cooney boy is falling deeper and deeper into the abyss. Just another useless troll.

[drunkenpiper36]

Yeah, Pipilongstocking is certainly as vulgar as demeaning the great Saad Muhammad. Cooney boy is falling deeper and deeper into the abyss. Just another useless troll.

You can put me on ignore anytime you like.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yeah, Pipilongstocking is certainly as vulgar as demeaning the great Saad Muhammad. Cooney boy is falling deeper and deeper into the abyss. Just another useless troll.

You can put me on ignore anytime you like.

[raylawpc]

While I don't agree with the vulgar insult he originally threw out there, it's more than a little silly to get up on a soapbox and yell: "I'm going to the mods, we need to think of the children!"

If kids are on Boxrec, they would be hard pressed to open any random thread and not see vulgarity, let's not get carried away here.

And that means we shouldn't tone it down? Don't you think it would be nice if they were hard pressed to see it here? Lots of times, if you google a boxer's name, etc. these threads appear. This isn't a "gentlemen's club." It is a public forum.

[Bobbyptsd]

While I don't agree with the vulgar insult he originally threw out there, it's more than a little silly to get up on a soapbox and yell: "I'm going to the mods, we need to think of the children!"

If kids are on Boxrec, they would be hard pressed to open any random thread and not see vulgarity, let's not get carried away here.

And that means we shouldn't tone it down? Don't you think it would be nice if they were hard pressed to see it here? Lots of times, if you google a boxer's name, etc. these threads appear. This isn't a "gentlemen's club." It is a public forum.

If you want to ameliorate the level of discourse, you might want to do the part you can by keeping to a certain standard yourself. I'm not saying you aren't, but you'll be hard pressed to have an effect on others, especially going the mod route.

And I know it's a public forum. A public forum frequented mostly by men, based around the topic of a violent sport. Again, a little perspective goes a long way. We could try to not be too vulgar, sure. But I think it's important not to get carried away, considering the above.

[BoxBuzz]

when is civility NOT a good thing?

I'm a fan of it myself.

Expletives are slothful and shiftless. Lazy, non creative, bone headed. etc.

[Dart340]

Depending on the Year,

But, if Tom Prater could back up Gerry Cooney {June 29, 1979} with punches, just imagine what 'Smokin Joe' could do.

To be fair here, I knew Tom Prater personally as he was my coach at Indy PAL and remember when he came back from New York. He admitted he was overmatched against Cooney and both he and his trainer, Colin Chaney, acknowledged that Tom didn't perform well and saw it as a major setback. I can tell you that Tom didn't feel he "had Cooney in trouble". I watched the fight on YouTube numerous times since it was posted and I didn't see Prater seriously hurt Cooney at any point.

Young Cooney tended to back up straight and freeze a bit under an opponent's barrage instead of counterpunch and stay in pocket, as he very noticeably did against S.T Gordon. If we're going "Best of Cooney" verses "Best of Frazier", then he would've outgrown that habit. He surely didn't do it against Holmes.

Myself, I think Frazier gets overrated a bit and Cooney underrated a bit and that it would be a more dangerous fight for Smokin' Joe than others do.

[drunkenpiper36]

Myself, I think Frazier gets overrated a bit and Cooney underrated a bit and that it would be a more dangerous fight for Smokin' Joe than others do.

I've been frequenting boxing forums for the better part of 10 years now, and I've encountered posters who have actually picked obscure fringe types and journeyman to beat him.. So I have to agree with you.

[Jaywheel]

On the other hand, I've encountered posters who actually think he could have given fits to Joe Frazier. Guess it all evens out.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

On the other hand, I've encountered posters who actually think he could have given fits to Joe Frazier. Guess it all evens out.

[drunkenpiper36]

On the other hand, I've encountered posters who actually think he could have given fits to Joe Frazier. Guess it all evens out.

I think "fits" is an exaggeration. But if you think that Gerry Cooney was so much worse than some of the ones who gave a galant effort against him, then run with it.

[raylawpc]

While I don't agree with the vulgar insult he originally threw out there, it's more than a little silly to get up on a soapbox and yell: "I'm going to the mods, we need to think of the children!"

If kids are on Boxrec, they would be hard pressed to open any random thread and not see vulgarity, let's not get carried away here.

And that means we shouldn't tone it down? Don't you think it would be nice if they were hard pressed to see it here? Lots of times, if you google a boxer's name, etc. these threads appear. This isn't a "gentlemen's club." It is a public forum.

If you want to ameliorate the level of discourse, you might want to do the part you can by keeping to a certain standard yourself. I'm not saying you aren't, but you'll be hard pressed to have an effect on others, especially going the mod route.

And I know it's a public forum. A public forum frequented mostly by men, based around the topic of a violent sport. Again, a little perspective goes a long way. We could try to not be too vulgar, sure. But I think it's important not to get carried away, considering the above.

Who said I "went to the mods?" When did I say that? And, even if I did, how is "going to the mods" about vulgar comments the equivalent or worse than the vulgar comment itself?

[drunkenpiper36]

Who said I "went to the mods?" When did I say that? And, even if I did, how is "going to the mods" about vulgar comments the equivalent or worse than the vulgar comment itself?

Nobody said you did. I started the whole thing by telling you " that it wasn't a good idea", after you chastised me for my comment to Saad, and said that you had made a complaint. Other's may have misconstrued and thought you actually DID go to the mods. In either case, I deleted my comment to appease you, and will try to be more careful in the future. But as others have already mentioned, this is a forum that is most commonly frequented by grown men, who are discussing a contact sport. Every once in a while guys are going to get on each other's nerves, throw around a few insults, and yes even drop the "F" bomb. While I agree that its not ideally appropriate, its going to happen.. While children sometimes do land on these boards, it is also the responsibility of their PARENTS to monitor what they are doing, and if need be, limit their internet privilages. Its not worth starting a campaign over.