"It Wasn't Kosher" Said Chickie Ferrara

[granberry]

"It Wasn't Kosher" Said Chickie Ferrara

Chickie Ferrara was interviewed immediately after the disputed stoppage of the Ali-Lyle title fight.

When he said "It wasn't kosher," Chickie Ferrara was not referring to the hot dogs they were selling at ringside that night.


WHO is Chickie Ferrara?

Here are a some quick grabs from Google:

http://www.rateitall.com/i-92582-chickie-ferrara.aspx

Chickie Ferrara was one of the greatest trainers & cutmen of all-time, and one of many who mentored trainers such as Angelo Dundee, and was used by Dundee as a cutman when he was available.

Ferrara trained many champions during his career including Dick Tiger and many others.


http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... -new-book/

Dundee, 84, recently co-wrote a book with Bert Sugar of his adventures in the world of pugilism called “My View from The Corner” . . .

“I learned from the best,” said Dundee who worked as a gopher in the beginning. “Chickie Ferrara was my teacher from day one.”

[granberry]

That was just one example of the farcical officiating favoring Ali which took place throughout Ali's career.

[BoxBuzz]

so there you have it....Lyle was comin' back, and winnin that fight, Believe it! He was "sandbaggin" and the ref got sucked in! Now that's one bad day at the office for Lyle, and a lucky break for the other guy!

I'm sold!

[granberry]

so there you have it....Lyle was comin' back, and winnin that fight, Believe it! He was "sandbaggin" and the ref got sucked in! Now that's one bad day at the office for Lyle, and a lucky break for the other guy!

I'm sold!

Buz, the boxrec 'moderator,' obviously knows more than Chickie Ferrara.

[BoxBuzz]

C'mon Gran, I'm not tryin' to be a jerk here. I just look at the film and have my own opinion. If Chickie's got it right, fine. I just don't see on that film where Lyle is coming back. If Chckie sees it more power to him. Maybe he's right and I'm wrong. He obviously has more "cred" than me. I'm nobody special, just a man with an opinion. I'm not right everytime....heck you'd go so far as to say I was wrong everytime. Nobody has hits 100% either way.

How long was the ref supposed to wait? It's got to be hard for those guys, if they are attempting to look out for someone who has apparently lost the ability to defend.

[granberry]

Being an Ali worshipper is agony, ain't it buz.

So many holes and leaks to shore up in you hero's "story."

[ThatOne]

Being an Ali worshipper is agony, ain't it buz.

So many holes and leaks to shore up in you hero's "story."

At least Ali fans don't have to LIE to bolster his credentials. Remember this gem:

YOU LIE, milky.

Folley was quoted in Sports Illustrated the week after that fight.

He said specifically that Ali was not a good puncher.

He gave Liston as the example of a real puncher. "But that was ten years ago," Folley said, referring to his fight with Liston.

WHAT ARE YOU SELLING, milky?


WHY DO YOU LIE?

-granberry

"I went to New York to win the championship. I wouldn't have gone if I did not think I could win. I was confident. But Ali beat me at my own game. He did the same thing to Liston (knocked him out with a right hand, didn't he); Williams, another big puncher, Ali knocked him out in short order. Terrell, the great jabber, what happened to him? He got outjabbed. And Patterson, the guy with superspeed hands, couldn't match Ali and just stood around and got punched to pieces.

"The right hands Ali hit me with just had no business landing—but they did. They came from nowhere. Many times he was in the wrong position but he hit me anyway. Blatt! and the punch connected. I've never seen anyone who could do that. The knockdown punch was so fast that I never saw it. He has lots of snap, and when the punches land they dizzy your head; they fuzz up your mind.

"The first time I went down, I wasn't hurt, but I didn't know what had happened. Suddenly I became aware of the noise and then I saw Ali standing over me, and I figured I was down. So I wheeled around to look at my corner, to find out the count. I kept thinking, was that a right hand he hit me with? So what did he do but hit me with the same punch again in the seventh round and knock me out. I can't believe it, but that's what he did.

"He's smart. The trickiest fighter I've seen. He's had 29 fights and acts like he's had a hundred. He could write the book on boxing, and anyone that fights him should be made to read it first.

"I did things to Ali that have never been done before. He missed more punches and landed fewer than with all of those other guys he's been in with. I also cut the ring on him, reduced it so consistently that he chose to stand and fight. He's a safety-first fighter, no matter how foolish he looks. And I made him fight. That could have been my worst mistake, making him fight. I hurt him to the body, but he's tough. You can tell from the way he's put together that he's got pride. The man's a real fighter. Look at the way he acts out of the ring and you can see that. In the ring the guy doesn't show when he's been hurt. Not even the smallest sign, the way most fighters do. He beat me good, but he didn't beat me bad.

"There's just no way to train yourself for what he does: the moves, the speed, the punches and the way he changes style every time you think you got him figured. Wendell Newton, my sparring partner, jumped around and he was awkward, but he wasn't Ali. Ali is something else. I fought middleweights, even smaller men and they weren't as fast. This guy has a style all of his own. It's far ahead of any fighter's around today, so how could those oldtime fighters, you know, Dempsey, Tunney or any of them keep up? Louis wouldn't have a chance—he was too slow. Marciano couldn't get to him, and he would never get away from Ali's jab. The only one who would have a good chance was Ezzard Charles, a real fast heavyweight who was smart and was perhaps the best combination puncher of them all."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm


The truth is Granberry's kryptonite.

[ThatOne]

so there you have it....Lyle was comin' back, and winnin that fight, Believe it! He was "sandbaggin" and the ref got sucked in! Now that's one bad day at the office for Lyle, and a lucky break for the other guy!

I'm sold!

Ali hit him some forty to fifty times without an answer. There was still a lot of time left in the round. Does the ref let Ali hit him in the head another fifty times? Emile Griffith was a great fighter but wasn't known as a big hitter either.Here's the video. The action starts at the 40 second mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9-7Qrr759o 7:17 mark

The ref was ex boxer Ferd Hernandez. I think he knew what was going on. Ali would have killed him. A two hundred twenty five pound man is not going to hit someone in the head one hundred times without scrambling their brains or killing them.

[yancey]

C'mon Gran, I'm not tryin' to be a jerk here. I just look at the film and have my own opinion. If Chickie's got it right, fine. I just don't see on that film where Lyle is coming back. If Chckie sees it more power to him. Maybe he's right and I'm wrong. He obviously has more "cred" than me. I'm nobody special, just a man with an opinion. I'm not right everytime....heck you'd go so far as to say I was wrong everytime. Nobody has hits 100% either way.

How long was the ref supposed to wait? It's got to be hard for those guys, if they are attempting to look out for someone who has apparently lost the ability to defend.

BB,

Think the ref would have stopped it that soon if the roles were reversed?

[BoxBuzz]

C'mon Gran, I'm not tryin' to be a jerk here. I just look at the film and have my own opinion. If Chickie's got it right, fine. I just don't see on that film where Lyle is coming back. If Chckie sees it more power to him. Maybe he's right and I'm wrong. He obviously has more "cred" than me. I'm nobody special, just a man with an opinion. I'm not right everytime....heck you'd go so far as to say I was wrong everytime. Nobody has hits 100% either way.

How long was the ref supposed to wait? It's got to be hard for those guys, if they are attempting to look out for someone who has apparently lost the ability to defend.

BB,

Think the ref would have stopped it that soon if the roles were reversed?

I think so, and I hope so, and I know the Ali detractors would say no way. The one thing I can add to some of these "Ali got too many breaks" stories is that these guys like Young who stuck his head out of the ring to be silly, and Lyle who was playing possum but never gave the ref a clear sign, is that whether by design or happenstance they were willing partners to the conspiracy. They literally handed the powers that be the reason to do what they did.

This is why Joe Frazier is such a stand out. He NEVER played games, and he may have lost to Ali twice, but I suspect he is right when he claims to have created the most Damage to Ali of anyone. Of all the what ifs that exist out there for Ali "alternate scenarios" is that last round in Manila. I have often argued that Frazier's life was saved by Futch's decision, but maybe it was Ali's.......and maybe it was BOTH. That was one deadly looking fight for those guys. The old saying is you don't hook with a hooker, and Ali was too smart to attempt that. Maybe this lesson is, you don't clown with a clown. So Lyle and Young may have been victim of that bad strategy.

I hope my meaning is not lost in my chosen syntax.

[ThatOne]

The video is there. Twice Ali lays off and Lyle does nothing. Those blows were landing.

It would be interesting to see what other refs would have done in that situatuon.

[BoxBuzz]

The video is there. Twice Ali lays off and Lyle does nothing. Those blows were landing.

It would be interesting to see what other refs would have done in that situatuon.

I think like you or I, they would need to step in. How can you justify not stepping in? If Lyle would have just looked at the Ref and said..."He ain't got nothin'...I'm good, Or just would have let the ref know he was in charge of his own actions, this goes away. Ali would not have missed that trick even if he WAS in trouble....he would have been signaling somehow that "he had his man right where he wanted him". lol (This Even if he was in deep trouble).

So this seems like a shallow argument to my way of thinking.

[ThatOne]

The video is there. Twice Ali lays off and Lyle does nothing. Those blows were landing.

It would be interesting to see what other refs would have done in that situatuon.

I think like you or I, they would need to step in. How can you justify not stepping in? If Lyle would have just looked at the Ref and said..."He ain't got nothin'...I'm good, Or just would have let the ref know he was in charge of his own actions, this goes away. Ali would not have missed that trick even if he WAS in trouble....he would have been signaling somehow that "he had his man right where he wanted him". lol (This Even if he was in deep trouble).

So this seems like a shallow argument to my way of thinking.

Lyle never once punched back or attempted to punch back, didn't initiate a clinch and didn't deomonstrate any real defensive manuevers other than instinctively holding his gloves up.

[raylawpc]

It would be interesting to see what other refs would have done in that situatuon.

Which refs? Refs officiating now would have stopped it. But this was back in the 1970s . . . refs were braver then, as a rule.

[granberry]

All the posts in the world by Ali worshippers buz and TheOne can't change the following facts:

"It Wasn't Kosher" Said Chickie Ferrara

Chickie Ferrara was interviewed immediately after the disputed stoppage of the Ali-Lyle title fight.

When he said "It wasn't kosher," Chickie Ferrara was not referring to the hot dogs they were selling at ringside that night.


WHO is Chickie Ferrara?

Here are a some quick grabs from Google:

http://www.rateitall.com/i-92582-chickie-ferrara.aspx

Chickie Ferrara was one of the greatest trainers & cutmen of all-time, and one of many who mentored trainers such as Angelo Dundee, and was used by Dundee as a cutman when he was available.

Ferrara trained many champions during his career including Dick Tiger and many others.


http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... -new-book/

Dundee, 84, recently co-wrote a book with Bert Sugar of his adventures in the world of pugilism called “My View from The Corner” . . .

“I learned from the best,” said Dundee who worked as a gopher in the beginning. “Chickie Ferrara was my teacher from day one.”

[BoxBuzz]

I think Jake, down at Ace Hardware said the same thing.

[ThatOne]

All the posts in the world by Ali worshippers buz and TheOne can't change the following facts:

"It Wasn't Kosher" Said Chickie Ferrara

Chickie Ferrara was interviewed immediately after the disputed stoppage of the Ali-Lyle title fight.

When he said "It wasn't kosher," Chickie Ferrara was not referring to the hot dogs they were selling at ringside that night.


WHO is Chickie Ferrara?



Here are a some quick grabs from Google:

http://www.rateitall.com/i-92582-chickie-ferrara.aspx

Chickie Ferrara was one of the greatest trainers & cutmen of all-time, and one of many who mentored trainers such as Angelo Dundee, and was used by Dundee as a cutman when he was available.

Ferrara trained many champions during his career including Dick Tiger and many others.


http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... -new-book/

Dundee, 84, recently co-wrote a book with Bert Sugar of his adventures in the world of pugilism called “My View from The Corner” . . .

“I learned from the best,” said Dundee who worked as a gopher in the beginning. “Chickie Ferrara was my teacher from day one.”

As that famed twentieth century philosopher , Larry Flynt, said "opinions are like a--holes, everybody has one."

[granberry]

It's tough being an Ali shill.

And it will get tougher and tougher as time passes and the frantic 24/7 media sell runs out of gas.

Obviously Ali worshippers buzz and TheOne know more than Chickie Ferrara.

After all, they make posts on boxrec.

They would try to get Chickie Ferrara banned from boxrec for being a heretic to their sappy Religion of Ali.

[ThatOne]

Well then take care of it off the forum....there are no lethal words that will get that job done. But I am asking for civility. I'm going to warn the next person that breaks the rules and it's a 3 strikes and your out ball game. I really value everyone here, and I'd rather not have to work at this.

-boxbuzz

Well, buzz , you can start by enforcing your own rules or you are letting a certain poster make a mockery of your site. And this post occurred after your so so called edict. He will only become emboldened if he knows he can disrepect other posters and hide behind the moderators' proverbial skirts.

What are you going to do?


"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends"

-Dr. Martin Luther King

It's tough being an Ali shill.

And it will get tougher and tougher as time passes and the frantic 24/7 media sell runs out of gas.

Obviously Ali worshippers buzz and TheOne know more than Chickie Ferrara.

After all, they make posts on boxrec.

They would try to get Chickie Ferrara banned from boxrec for being a heretic to their sappy Religion of Ali.


-granberry

[Caractacus]

when did Chickie Ferrara pass away ?

[Caractacus]

anyone here know what fight it was that Chickie Ferrara had last seconded ?

[Caractacus]

-1975-

[Caractacus]

anyone know if this is Chickie Ferrara ?

(it looks like it may be him)


https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/11784

[Caractacus]

-1978-

[Caractacus]

This is the last fight I could find anywhere ,that Chickie Ferrara was mentioned as being a Corner Man in.

-1980-