"The heart was there, but the old ability was lacking, and Charlie White knows now that 'they never come back.'... The fight was a pitiful exhibition of a man trying to do what he used to do... Charlie threw his famous left hook, which had such men as Benny Leonard and Freddy Welsh on the floor, at the start of the second, and received for his effort a right cross which knocked him down. Twice more he went down without taking a count, although he was getting up on nerve alone. The fourth time the crowd yelled wildly for him to 'take it' that he stayed down for nine. The fifth time a towel was thrown in from Charlie's corner. In a daze, White wanted to know 'why did you stop it?' - the old heart was still there. It was White's first start since December 18, 1923." (UP)

ref: Frank O'Brien

In the sixth round Barrett swung at White so hard that he sprained his spine, resulting in temporary paralysis. Result from the Philadelphia Inquirer (Jack Kincaid).

2:49    ref: Patsy Haley

On a signal from Dr. William H. Walker, State Athletic Commission physician, who was seated ringside, Referee Haley stopped the bout after White had been floored four times and was in danger of serious injury.

Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post, which reported that Zivic won nine of ten rounds from White in a thriller.

ref: Patsy Haley

2:49    ref: Patsy Haley

Philadelphia Inquirer and the Philadelphia Public Ledger both had White shading Barrett in eight furious rounds.

0:59    ref: Patsy Haley

Hammer won the newspaper decision. White down in ninth.(Appleton Post Crescent)

ref: Sam Hall

Newspaper decision from the Davenport Democrat and Leader

ref: Eddie Kennedy

Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. White won seven rounds, Ray two, and one was even. Ray was down once for a nine-count.

ref: Larry Sweeney   James Fitzpatrick   Herman Nickerson

Date: Saturday, October 1, 1921 Paper: Denver Post (Denver, CO) Page: 8

Date: Tuesday, September 20, 1921 Paper: Denver Post (Denver, CO) Page: 16

The Philadelphia Public Ledger and the Inquirer both called Valger the winner. No information from the Record. Willie Jackson and Johnny Dundee were scheduled to meet on this program, but this fight was cancelled.

ref: Bobby McLaughlin

ref: Walter Houlehan

White was disqualified for stalling

Shannon was better (Chicago Tribune).

White was better. (Chicago Tribune, Evening Gazette)

Moran won the newspaper decision (Chicago Tribune)(Atlanta Constitution).

White claimed he injured his hand in the fourth round. Moran won decisively. From the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

This fight was billed for the lightweight title but Leonard was overweight. White knocked Leonard out of the ring in round five. White was down 5 times in the ninth.

From the Pittsburgh Post.

Newspaper decision from the Sandusky Star Journal

Rocky Mountain News 13 February 1920 p 8 .

1:40    ref: Denver Ed Martin

Newspaper decision from the Milwaukee Journal

ref: George Barton

White was better. (Chicago Tribune)

Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. White won clearly, but Zill gave a good account of himself.

ref: Johnny Kenney

Rocky Mountain News 02/09/1919 p10

ref: Johnny Kenney

The Philadelphia Public Ledger and the Inquirer gave it to White, and the Philadelphia Record favored White.

White was down in round ten and suffered a good licking.

ref: Edward W Smith

White earned "a shade the best of it." (Marion Daily Star) The Chicago tribune has Thorpe winning by a shade.

"Thorpe was the aggressor all the way and won six of the twelve rounds, White won three and three were even." (Nevada State Journal)

Exact date and location unknown at this time.

ref: Jack Lewis

Bout stopped due to stalling (Syracuse Herald).

(New York Times)
Tillman and White did not fight on September 30, 1917 (a Sunday), as previously shown here. Tillman floored twice for nine counts in the third round. The Los Angeles Times had White winning the fight, and the Chicago Tribune called the fight even.

(Boston Globe and Chicago Tribune) The Philadelphia Public Ledger (Paul Zabala) and the Philadelphia Record both favored White as the winner.

Tillman won the newspaper decision according to both the Philadelphia Public Ledger (Paul Zabala) and the Philadelphia Record.

ref: Billy Hoke

White won by "a clear margin". (Daily Review)
The Milwaukee Free-Press reported the same result. Tillman was knocked down in the 2nd (twice), 5th, and 7th rounds

ref: Jack Lewis

White was better. Result in Ibro #52. (Chicago Tribune)

Newspaper decision from New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid).

ref: Claude Tibbitts

ref: Jack O'Sullivan

Newspaper decision from the Brooklyn Daily Eagle

White was better. (New York Times)

World Welterweight Title

Nelson knocked down 8 times! Newspaper result in favor of White in the Philadelphia Record and the Philadelphia Public Ledger.

ref: Yock Henniger

Newspaper decision from the Pittsburgh Post. White won decisively.

ref: Billy Roche

World Lightweight Title
Just before the fight got underway, a section of the arena gave way; two people were killed and hundreds more injured. Welsh back-pedaled throughout the bout while White was the aggressor. When the referee gave the decision to Welsh a riot broke out. The fighters, referee, sports writers and others were forced to seek cover under the wood platform.

Wells down 3 times in 4th

ref: Walter C Kelly

Newspaper decision from the Massillon Evening Independent

Newspaper decision from the Milwaukee Free Press--Chicago Tribune had White winning the fight. Mitchell floored for a short count in the third round. The Tribune had White winning six rounds, with Mitchell winning two and two were even.

ref: Lou Bauman

ref: Lou Bauman

Cincinnati Enquirer.

Newspaper decision from the Milwaukee Free Press

ref: Charlie White

(Boston Globe)

Newspaper decision from the Brooklyn Eagle, NY Tribune, NY Evening World, Brooklyn Citizen, NY Sun (for Lewis); Brooklyn Times, New York Times (draw)

Newspaper decision for White from The Brooklyn Citizen, Brooklyn Standard-Union, New York Tribune, New York Times, Associated Press. Newspaper decision for Welsh from Thomas S. Rice (Brooklyn Daily Eagle), New York Sun, James J. Corbett (wire).

This was a promotion of the Empire A.C.

ref: Billy Roche

Yelle down in the 3rd round.

ref: Joe Suttner

"Newspaper opinion gave Duffy the decision." Buffalo Courier (6-3-1 rds.)
Duffy was down in first; White in second.

The Philadelphia Public Ledger gave White the newspaper decision. The Philadelphia Record reported a draw.

ref: Billy Roche

Newspaper decision from the New York Times. Chicago Tribune had this fight even. However, New York City newspapers in general called Cross the winner (Jack Kincaid).

Robideau down 3 times. Reported in the Philadelphia Public Ledger and the Philadelphia Record.

World Lightweight Title
Newspaper decision from the Milwaukee Free Press
Although a no-decision bout Welsh's title was at risk if he lost inside schedule; contract called for 135 lbs at 2 pm

ref: Billy Roche

Newspaper decision from the New York Times, and from various New York City newspapers (Jack Kincaid).

(Chicago Tribune)

ref: George Duffy

Newspaper decision for Welsh from Al S. Harvey (Milwaukee Free Press; 4-2-4), Jack Fetzer (Milwaukee Journal), Burdette O. Kirkham (Milwaukee News), Peleg Swann (Milwaukee Sentinel), Ed W. Smith (Chicago American), Sherman R. Duffy (Chicago Journal), Otto Floto (Denver Post), Ed Dickerson (Denver Times), Ed Curley (New York American). Newspaper decision for White from Sam P. Hall (Chicago Examiner; 2-1-7), Charles Michelson (Chicago Examiner), Billy Birch (Chicago Herald), Oscar C. Reichow (Chicago Daily News). A draw from Manning Vaughan (Milwaukee Sentinel), Thomas S. Andrews (Milwaukee Leader), Ben F. Steinel (Milwaukee Evening Wisconsin), Ray C. Pearson (Chicago Tribune), Frank A. McInerny (Chicago Evening Post), Charles Dean (Associated Press), United Press.

Newspaper decision from the Milwaukee Free Press

ref: Abe Pollock