How many freakin' times is ESPN Classic going to show the two Ali-Liston fights? Yes, both are historic fights in boxing history. But after you have seen each of them 50 times, they kinda lose their appeal. Same thing for Ali-Wepner, which was just on again last night.

There's an element of wishful thinking here...Tyson as Mountain Rivera? I don't see it...first of all,Tyson doesn't need boxing to make money. The man has one of the highest profiles in America...He's maybe the most recognizable sports figure in the world. His fame alone is probably worth many mlli...

One thing that has always intrigued me about the comeback of George Foreman is the difference personality he diplayed in the 1990s compared to the 1970s. I have always had a tough time believing someone could go from being a mean, nasty loner like Foreman was in the 1970s to being to the jovial,easy...

Box, I have read the book and highly recommend it. I am sure you will enjoy it. The book focuses on 15 different Ali opponents and lets each fighter tell about his fight with Ali and various details surrounding that particular fight. I like the book a lot because it talks with some of Ali's more obs...

The facts are that Buchanan tried to win the fight on a DQ when he probably could have continued, failed and then I'll bet regretted it ever since. It would certainly explain some of his slightly bizarre behaviour towards Duran mentioned in his book years later. What did Buchanan say about Duran in...

Wow, I just saw the fight and I was almost sure the official decision was that the referee gave the win to Duran because Buchanan was unable to continue. The broadcast even interviewed the ref after the fight.

ESPN Classic showed Duran-Buchanan last night, so I finally got the chance to see the controversial ending to this fight. In my ooinion, that was one of the worst referee jobs I have witnessed (even worse than Walcott in Lewiston). You don't get a real clear view of the low blow, but Buchanan's reac...

I think Liston was VIEWED as a quitter. I personally think Ali/Liston II was basically Walcott being the worst referee in the history of sports. I agree. I think Liston got hit witha flash knockdown. Ali refused to go to the corner and so Liston stayed down. They get up and start fighting again and...

I remember reading a little while ago, perhaps in the book Facing Ali, that Wepner says every time he has ever seen Ali in person since that fight, Ali comes up to him and steps on his foot before breaking into a big smile.

I have been doing a lot of reading online about Sonny Liston lately and one of the main points that I kept coming across was how intimdating Liston was to opponents (before the two Ali fights, obviously). So the question I am wondering is this: Was Liston the most intimidating fighter of all-time? J...

I guess the question I am asking is how well known was Lamotta among the general public before Ragin' Bull came out? I am 33 years old and I gotta admit that before I saw the movie, I knew almost nothing about Lamotta the man (but that was before I really started learning about the sport's history)....

expug wrote:Machen was convicted of armed robbery in 1952. He did three years.

Thanks for the response.

What did Eddie Machen do time for?

I made my first visit to the Hall of Fame last summer. It is about a five hour ride for me, so I went to the Baseball Hall in Cooperstown first, then drove to the boxing Hall in Canstota. I was kinda surprised when I got to the boxing Hall of Fame. I wasn't even sure it was open at first. There was ...

I have a question regarding the relationship between Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali: I am only 32 years old, so much of my exposure to Ali has come from video. But when I watch Cosell interview Ali and cover his fights as a broadcaster, Cosell clearly does not appear to be objective. Was their any ...

I have a question regarding the relationship between Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali: I am only 32 years old, so much of my exposure to Ali has come from video. But when I watch Cosell interview Ali and cover his fights as a broadcaster, Cosell clearly does not appear to be objective. Was their any k...

I think Sonny's peak fight would have to be either of the Floyd Patterson bouts. He destroyed Floyd in one round to win the title, then did it again in one round for his only title defense. Next up for Liston was Cassius Clay and Sonny's legacy was never the same after that. Following the two Patter...

Thanks to each of you for your replies.

I have seen nearly all of Muhammad Ali's notable bouts numerous times, but many of his bouts from 1970s never get shown (I would imagine no tape exists). I know the story about Wepner getting the shot against Ali and being a huge underdog with the chance of a liftetime. But I know virtually nothing ...

While "Cinderella Man" was in theatres, I remember reading that Corn Griffin's stature was exaggerated. He was never number one contender for the heavyweight title, like the movie claimed. From what I remember, Griffin became a policeman in his native Georgia after his boxing career ended.

As far as Jersey Joe's bad luck in rematches, I always thought he just packed it in during the second Marciano fight. He was 39 years old and that was the last fight he ever had. He did get knocked out in the first round but from everything I have ever read (I have not seen the fight), he simply wai...

While I was reading the recent threads on the board ranking the all-time heavyweights, one of the things I found interesting was the placement of James Jefferies. One of the two ongoing threads on the board has him listed at #12 all-time at heavyweight; the other list has him at #15. In the past, I ...

1. Muhammad Ali 2. Larry Holmes 3. George Foreman 4. Sonny Liston 5. Mike Tyson 6. Joe Frazier 7. Michael Spinx 8. Ken Norton 9. James Douglas 10. Lennox Lewis 11. Riddock Bowe 12. Evander Holyfield 13. Cleveland Williams 14. Ernie Terrell 15. Floyd Patterson 16. Eddie Machen 17. Tim Witherspoon 18...

24 Bob Fitzimmons Boxrec ranks him #800-something all-time at heavyweight. I don't think they're too far off. Seriously, what name on Fitzsimmon's record suggests that he's even on the same level as Corrie Sanders or Tony Tucker? Or that he'd be competitive with either of them? Where can I find Box...

I apologize if anyone thought I was trying to be a troll by posting this thread. That honestly was not my attempt at all :) I just thought the fight would be at the very least interesting considering how much the sport has evolved since Sullivan's times. My opinion is that Sullivan would not be able...