mh2365 wrote:This thread is hilarious .. all I know is somewhere Saturday night Kostya Tszyu was laughing his ass off.
Hatton built a nice 40-0 record with his uncle reffing the fights, when he gets to the states and isn't allowed to use his elbows and head the it's the refs are out to get him.
Classic. He did everything but knee Tszyu in the nuts. Like many others have said the ref didn't cause him to face plant after eating that left hook in the 10th. Nor did the ref cause him to take 15 straight punches to the face to end the fight.
I like Hatton and I doubt he is complaining about the fight .. he deserves better fans. Not ones that boo the National Anthem and make excuses when he gets beat in a fair fight.
So Hatton who cuts easily was using his head.
Get real.
The ref forced him onto the outside by breaking the action every time he got close, if the break is forced Hatton has to make his way back inside, taking shots on the way in.
I think Hatton would have lost anyway, but Cortez made his task even harder, simple as.
We'll never know, will we, because Hatton was not permitted to fight by the blatantly crooked referee hovering over him and diving in every two seconds, harrassing him, breaking his concentration, preventing him from fighting on the inside, and deducting a point just to make sure the bagman knew he was earning his pay.
Terry D wrote:
In Liverpool, as in Manchester, I'm sure you get local hard men who boast about how tough they are then go into student areas beating people up knowing the risk-reward ratio is stacked for them. Hatton opted out of this route and went for it. He fought a tight fight at welter once then went back there to fight the best fighter, Vernon Forrest aside, in the world. How exactly does make him open for such harsh criticism and carping about how his prior promoter would not have made the fight?
Yep the Vernon Forrest comment stood out like floss in Bernard Hopkins bathroom.
At his best Forrest would have given Mayweather problems, i that's what your suggesting. His jab and reach would have been a problem in the way DLH's was.
But to suggest now he remains better than Floyd at 147 is a little fanciful, he's 36 and clearly declining.
no one over the age of 30 will touch Mayweather - let alone 36........with the possible exception of Bernard Hopkins who doesn't worry about that kinda thing
if they were of a more similar age I would love to see what a peak Amir Khan would bring to Mayweather, if Khan was just as fast but a bit more mature, technically rounded.
In an imaginary world........Khan- Mayeather ??
that will be well received on THIS forum I'm sure now
Even with the caveats you've applied using the words Khan and Mayweather in the same sentence is heresy.
Don't know about caveats I just said in an imaginary world . I would still favour Mayweather as his skills are superior.
But I feel Southpaw Stylists comment had more than a touch of the Graham Earl posting about them.....like it wouldn't even be a fight. Mayweather would have to actually beat the man and win it, there's no givens in boxing. It's two men in a ring, man against man, unless Cortez is in there jabbing away at the body.
Their fighting weights have already criss-crossed , Mayweather started out lighter than Khan, and Khan is expected to go up to LW or welter, could even end up a LM is he hangs around a bit like Oscar.
Floyd will be long retired before Amir is a) big enough and b) credible/lucrative enough...........but mark my words if Mayweather and Khan were the same age there would have been more than a chance of this fight occuring. And it wouldn't be easy for either.
Autobarn wrote:i always wondered why he had to make 14 (correct me if I'm wrong) defenses of a minor title belt like the WBU.
props to him for trying, and he will probably be more popular in the UK for trying to beat Mayweather.
will be interesting to see how fast Khan moves as a comparison - if he can outdo Hatton's win over, say, Thaxton and beat the European champ Romanov.
if ricky stays around for awhile, it could be an interesting matchup if he fights khan in a few years...bet THAT one would pack out wembley!!
it'd be fecking massive, and for that I think he should stay steady, defend his Ring 140-lb title, and hang around for it.
but he could get knocked out by de la hoya and retire with a fortune.
that's the dream, Hatton-Khan 1 day, but i doubt hatton will be around for that long. i remember his dad and billy graham kept saying appreciate him while you've got 'im, hinting he only had a coupe of fights left in him. and this was the time of the urango fight.
Can somebody please lock this thread? The title of it is making me uncomfortable and the majority of its content has nothing to do with whether Hatton lost or not. In fact it was never even a valid statement.
Hatton didn't lose to Mayweather. There was no Hatton-Mayweather fight. If there was, it would have been a great fight, but it never occurred. There was a Hatton vs. Cortez & Mayweather fight. Hatton lost to Cortez & Mayweather.
Even with the caveats you've applied using the words Khan and Mayweather in the same sentence is heresy.
At the age of 21 Floyd was winning the WBC 130 pound title from the outstanding Genaro Hernandez and defending with a second round stoppage against the (at the time) highly touted Angel Manfredy.
For me, a more compelling (mythical) matchup than PBF-Khan would have been the mooted late 90s catchweight contest at 128 between Floyd and Hamed (when his power and reflexes were awesome). That would have been mouthwatering.
Even with the caveats you've applied using the words Khan and Mayweather in the same sentence is heresy.
At the age of 21 Floyd was winning the WBC 130 pound title from the outstanding Genaro Hernandez and defending with a second round stoppage against the (at the time) highly touted Angel Manfredy.
For me, a more compelling (mythical) matchup than PBF-Khan would have been the mooted late 90s catchweight contest at 128 between Floyd and Hamed (when his power and reflexes were awesome). That would have been mouthwatering.
Do you want to see Khan get hurt? Too many holes in his defense to compete. Not only would he hav no chance to win, he would get abused.
Even with the caveats you've applied using the words Khan and Mayweather in the same sentence is heresy.
At the age of 21 Floyd was winning the WBC 130 pound title from the outstanding Genaro Hernandez and defending with a second round stoppage against the (at the time) highly touted Angel Manfredy.
For me, a more compelling (mythical) matchup than PBF-Khan would have been the mooted late 90s catchweight contest at 128 between Floyd and Hamed (when his power and reflexes were awesome). That would have been mouthwatering.
Do you want to see Khan get hurt? Too many holes in his defense to compete. Not only would he hav no chance to win, he would get abused.
Where did I say Khan-Mayweather would be even realistic? I just said a young Floyd against a young, peak Naz would have been more interesting. I didn't even entertain the idea of Khan-PBF.
Southpaw Stylist wrote:So would Naz for that matter.
I just said late 90s Naz - at the peak of his powers - against a young Floyd, fought at a catchweight of 128, would have been a far more thrilling prospect than Khan-Floyd. I stand by that comment, as that version of Naz was a threat to anyone from 126-130, including a young Floyd.
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Interesting analysis. I agree with most of it as well. Especially his implicit disdain for Rick Hatton's trainers, skills and English boxing in general.
Interesting analysis. I agree with most of it as well. Especially his implicit disdain for Rick Hatton's trainers, skills and English boxing in general.
Ricky Hatton (43-1, 31KOs), fresh off the first loss of his pro career, claims that Floyd Mayweather Jr. fouled him to death when the two fought last weekend at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
Hatton, in an interview with Daily Express , says the cut above his eye was caused from a Mayweather elbow, and referee Joe Cortez did nothing to stop the foul-filled bout. The fouls, according to Hatton, took him away from his strategy and eventually led to Mayweather knocking him out in the tenth-round.
“But if I am honest, I feel a mug. My pride is hurt more than anything else because I made the cardinal sin of letting my emotions get the better of me so I didn’t fight how I said I would. I made the mistake of losing my composure. My head went a bit. I’m not taking anything away from Floyd. He’s a great champion. And I’m not exactly Mother Theresa in the ring myself. If I can get a sly one in there, crack in an elbow, I’ll do it. That’s boxing. But he fouled the living daylights out of me in there, using his forearms and stopping me working inside," Hatton said.
“I got cut, too – and that was from an elbow and that’s when I lost my composure. Up to the halfway mark, I didn’t think there was much in it. But I’m disappointed that I didn’t do the little, subtle things I said I was going to do to win it.”
Hatton does not place the blame with Floyd, he feels Cortez should take the weight of how the bout went. Cortez took a point away from Hatton in the contest, which the fighter claims was wrong becase no previous warnings were issued. He lost his head, and regrets bickering with the ref over the infraction.
“I believe that if you foul, you should have a point taken off. But you have to have a warning first and I don’t remember being warned. I don’t want to sound like a broken record going on. But, let’s be honest, the ref was poor. It’s his fault, not Floyd’s.
“And I don’t think I helped myself by being typical Ricky Hatton and giving the ref a load of four-letter stuff when he came to the corner to talk to me. That didn’t help. After I had the point deducted, I just went a bit gung-ho, thinking that’s all I could now do,” said Hatton. “I really thought I could do this. I didn’t say all the stuff I did just to make everyone feel better. I genuinely believed it and thought I could win. But I lost my rag and Floyd was so very clever.”
werewolf wrote:The ref was on the payroll and wouldn't let him fight inside. That's teh bottom line. Hatton was manhandling Mayweather on the inside. I don't care what their crooked don king record books say, the fight was No Contest - and if things were really fair, the fight should be awarded to Hatton because he was in there fighting against two men, and the ref wasn't even putting on an act of being fair, at one point getting so anxious to earn his pay check that he deducted a point from Hatton for no apparent reason.
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I think I summarised this the morning after when I ironically pointed out that the fight was stopped too early...
werewolf wrote:The ref was on the payroll and wouldn't let him fight inside. That's teh bottom line. Hatton was manhandling Mayweather on the inside. I don't care what their crooked don king record books say, the fight was No Contest - and if things were really fair, the fight should be awarded to Hatton because he was in there fighting against two men, and the ref wasn't even putting on an act of being fair, at one point getting so anxious to earn his pay check that he deducted a point from Hatton for no apparent reason.
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I think I summarised this the morning after when I ironically pointed out that the fight was stopped too early...
...translation - get a life, stop sooking!
What you summarized, though you are not bright enough to recognize it, is that you are a freakin nitwit.
Now, aside from all the puerile mocking and sarcasm and name-calling, the only semi-valid point that the Cortez-Mayweather asskissers had made was that Hatton himself did not protest. Well, the above gives the lie to that as well.
. I would still favour Mayweather as his skills are superior.
