Elcock v Abraham vid

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 10 Dec 2007, 11:31

If you can't wait for the replay.

http://www.mdr.de/boxen-im-ersten/5074871.html

Sent from Abraham's myspace account so should be stable and safe.

jonp · Post by **jonp** » 10 Dec 2007, 11:50

Hard luck Wayne gave it a great go against a good champion.applaud the ref the stoppage was very well timed.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 10 Dec 2007, 12:03

it was unlucky to be honest wayne but in truth the fight was a bit of a mis match, it had abraham stoppage written all over it.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 10 Dec 2007, 13:24

I think this fight is being shown on ITV 4 on Thursday. Can anyone confirm this?

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 10 Dec 2007, 13:41

Wayne did his best, but his limit has been well and truly exposed.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 10 Dec 2007, 13:52

Great timing by the ref in terms of the stoppage. AA looks strong as an ox in there. Bit static in terms of movement (especially the head, as he relies on that tight guard), but his strength and power will give any middleweight out there problems.
AA vs Pavlik is a must - great tear-up that I'd favour Pavlik to win based on his superior boxing skills... can see him using his superior reach to control the fight with his jab, but would have to come through some rough, rough moments (again!).

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 10 Dec 2007, 13:57

Horse wrote:I think this fight is being shown on ITV 4 on Thursday. Can anyone confirm this?

Sounds promising, Abraham is a lot better than people give him credit for. Physically strong, hard puncher and has a lot of guile about him, even though rumours of stamina issues persist we didn't find out on Saturday night about that!

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 10 Dec 2007, 14:13

Another shot to the temple drops Elcock, reminded me of the Murphy KO. I would have only given it even or by 10-9 to Abraham personally, other than that right hand what exactly did he do in that 2nd round? I thought Elcock was winning it.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Dec 2007, 14:30

where did you hear about the ITV4 thing?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 10 Dec 2007, 15:12

Autobarn wrote:where did you hear about the ITV4 thing?

I think a commentator said it during the Paul Smith fight. I could be wrong though, that is why I didn't state it as a fact.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Dec 2007, 16:11

Horse wrote:
Autobarn wrote:where did you hear about the ITV4 thing?
I think a commentator said it during the Paul Smith fight. I could be wrong though, that is why I didn't state it as a fact.

looked on the listings and there is an 11 till midnight slot on Thurs, which is blank at the moment, fingers crossed...

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 11 Dec 2007, 17:17

Abraham-Elcock is on ITV4 at 9pm on Thurs. They just announced it during the Liverpool-Marseille match on ITV1

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 11 Dec 2007, 17:21

dr_devious wrote:Abraham-Elcock is on ITV4 at 9pm on Thurs. They just announced it during the Liverpool-Marseille match on ITV1

You just beat me to it! great performance by Liverpool by the way...

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 11 Dec 2007, 18:08

Yeah, good to see them in the next round, Torres was awesome

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 11 Dec 2007, 19:39

[quote="Horse"]I think this fight is being shown on ITV 4 on Thursday. Can anyone confirm this?[/quote

yeah thats true as far as i know, my mate mcewan who fought on the british invasion bill on the friday nite fight is getting shown aswell

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Dec 2007, 04:08

great, and great!

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 12 Dec 2007, 07:32

if elcock had a chin he could have given arthur some problems.

Sammy Mendelson · Post by **Sammy Mendelson** » 12 Dec 2007, 07:41

Riddick Blowe wrote:if elcock had a chin he could have given arthur some problems.

He doesn't and he won't.

ALI · Post by **ALI** » 12 Dec 2007, 07:59

Elcock was terrible, he certainly did not go out on his shield! I was very surprised by how easy Abraham took him out.

Elcock should think about changing proffessions now.

ALI · Post by **ALI** » 12 Dec 2007, 10:39

Terry D wrote:
ALI wrote:Elcock was terrible, he certainly did not go out on his shield! I was very surprised by how easy Abraham took him out.

Elcock should think about changing proffessions now.
That's a bit harsh. He landed a few shots, showed fast hands and was at risk of being decapitated due to staying on his feet. Would you have taken those punches any better?

Your right, i was a bit harsh there, slightly OTT i went.

However, i will be taking no interest any any future Elcock fights. I hope he is kept far away from the elite because this guy is a danger to himself at world level!

welcock · Post by **welcock** » 13 Dec 2007, 08:21

Hi gents dont usually feel the need to come on here altho always pop on from time to time to read your thoughts.
This time however I felt the need to post my take of the recent events and clear a few things up and to also let everyone know I am definatly far from finished and I have learned so much from the Abrahams experience and I know it will make me a better fighter.
It was always going to be a big ask after having to whip myself in shape so soon after my last fight having only ten days off to recover from 12 rounds and carrying a hand and arm injury that dogged me throughout my training camp which I picked up in the Eastman fight .
I recieved a number of injections to help speed up the healing process before throwing myself straight back into heavy training altho to be honest my injuries did not hamper me on the night and I refuse to believe they stopped me performing any better.
I have no regrets about taking the fight and there are not many fighters that fight two twelve rounders back to back against the opposition I had to face but I have never ducked a challenge and simply could not refuse been given the chance to fight for one of the best belts out there.
I do know I was not at my best mentally and I got caught up in the hype and media surrounding the fight as its something I am not use to having German tv in your pocket the whole time I was there public workouts big press confereces etc etc ...but unless you taste it you can not learn from it and learn how to deal with it.
I'm taking nothing away from Abrahams he showed great composure and showed why he is champion and even tho I felt I was not at my best I did not feel at anytime out of my depth in the rounds before the stoppage and he did not really give me much to worry about.
After having a good fourth I felt I was growing in confidence and looked at standing more something that was in the plan but at a much later stage of the contest when I felt Abrahams would be tired as his stamina looked in fights I had watched a little suspect.
It is a mistake I now regret and feel if I had kept with the plan keeping on my toes I maybe could have produced another shocker but that is something I must prove and its how I come back that will settle that argument.
My chin is fine and if you make a mistake at that level thats what happens and the shots I took flush from a puncher like Abrahams anyone would go from its as simple as that
After having a much needed break I will go with my original plan before this fight came up and come back in 2008 to defend my British as I want to win it outright before moving on for the European which will hopefully secure another shot again at the highest level.
Altho the fight did not go to plan I enjoyed my experience fighting abroad for the first time against one of the divisions elite and I have took alot away from it.
Fair play to the ref who was spot on with the stoppage and stopped me taking needless punishment to comeback and fight another day.
There is still plenty of desire and determination left in the old dog yet and after testing the water after only 20 fights I want more only next time obviously a different result ha ha
Thanks to all the guys that have supported me and defended me in the past on here and the brits that came over to support me in Switzerland much appreciated hope you keep the faith as I still have in my ability.
It was not to be on the night but we will have happier times in the new year that I promise not woried about any critiscm that comes back everyone is entitled to there own opinion about me and how far I will go or not go I have proved in the past the doubters wrong and look forward to doing so again.
On a final note hope you all have a great christams and heres to the new year roll on 2008
All the very best
Wayne

ciscokid · Post by **ciscokid** » 13 Dec 2007, 09:08

Well done Wayne - Abraham is a class opponent, you did yourself proud.

I haven't been able to see the Eastman fight, but believe on your last performances that you will be able to give Slyvester a fair shot for the EU.

Good luck for the future and keep us posted!

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 13 Dec 2007, 09:13

Classy post Wayne

I was watching on Sat night and thought you handled the pressure really well, looked like you had a real chance to test AA in the later rounds for awhile there, but the finishing shots he caught you with would have put most fighters in big trouble.

I reckon you'll come back strong, no shame is losing to the best middleweight on the planet.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 13 Dec 2007, 17:48

well i thought Elcock was doing ok, but always looked like he might get steamrollered at any time. Also i was thinking that Herol Graham in his prime would have toyed with Abraham.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 14 Dec 2007, 12:37

Like i said in a previous post i thought Elcock was ahead and doing okay. Abraham is a serious contender for the best Middleweight and i think it's time for him to get in there with the Americans. As for Wayne, i have been a fan after the Farnell fight when he boxed well. Hopefully he can defend the British title and carve out a shot at the European or maybe someone like Duddy.