Hatton-Mayweather Rematch?

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 14 Dec 2007, 13:55

Even putting the boxing ability issues to one side, Hatton wasn't fit enough to last the distance with Mayweather last time. I fail to see how he'd ever be fit enough to beat him.

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 14 Dec 2007, 13:55

i wouldnt pay another £15 to watch a rematch

would you ?????????

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 14 Dec 2007, 14:24

hattons biggest problem against mayweather was his game plan

he never set his attacks up with the jab

piss poor head movement

and he went looking for a knockout victory
unless he changes any of this the result would be the same again

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Dec 2007, 14:30

He did do some good jabs - he rocked Mayweather back in the 1st round. there was signs of head movement, as he sometimes slipped over to his own left while coming in.

But too much of the fight ended up either in wrestling or in the corner, where Hatton couldn't set up attacks by cutting the ring off. And the head was kept so high it was unbelievable. When Floyd got that extra bit of space, Floyd's jabbing was just sublime as he timed Hatton coming in.

He should forget about Mayweather. He had his chance. He made his money. Now regroup and beat easier people.

jim wright · Post by **jim wright** » 14 Dec 2007, 14:52

i too can't see the point in a rematch, same outcome but probably earlier.

The best thing that has come out of last week is the amount of kids who have come up to me asking about Mayweather and where can they get hold of his fight tapes.

A new generation of fight fans has been awoken I think!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Dec 2007, 15:19

Southpaw Stylist wrote:Hmm, ok.

I know that he certainly won't be viewed as p4p material any more. He should never have been in the first place tbh, but that's another can of worms.

Ricky's P4P rating was earned to an extent. I had him top 5, but in terms of skills, we all knew he wasn't P4P, he was there for the Tszyu win and for continuing to look like the main man at 140, despite Witter's arguments to the contrary.

It matters not if he is P4P material. He can still go on and have a good career at 140, but I think fightinig at 147 nullifies his significant physical advantages.

Hatton is well liked by the yanks now, they warmed to his blue-collar persona, much like they did with Gatti, and also the fact he is a swarming come forward fighter, even if he doesn't seem to throw that many shots any more when he gets there.

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 14 Dec 2007, 16:04

There is no chance of him getting a rematch, absolutely none. He never looked like he was gonna win that fight. Hatton was throwing single shots and he was falling into Mayweather and then smothering his won work. That's actually what he's been doing for a few years now, only this time he didn't get away with it.

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 14 Dec 2007, 16:04

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ALI · Post by **ALI** » 14 Dec 2007, 16:41

I never had Hatton on top at any stage of the fight. For me Mayweather was coasting and i believe that behind closed doors he'll be saying it was an easy nights work!

I doubt Hatton could win a rematch but i'd love to see it at 140lbs at the MEN Arena! However, i think Mayweather would look to take the fight to the center of the ring more and take Hatton out a lot quicker!

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 14 Dec 2007, 17:00

There is NO CHANCE Ricky could beat Mayweather. The bottom line is, he doesn't have the talent.

Matt W · Post by **Matt W** » 14 Dec 2007, 17:53

I don't see the rematch as an appealing proposition as I don't see how Ricky could possibly win it. There's no chance of a rematch happening at all.

After watching the re-run show tonight and hearing Malignaggi / Beetlejuice running his mouth off I want to see Ricky sort him out.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 14 Dec 2007, 17:55

I`d never describe myself as a big Ricky Hatton fan, though I think it was obvious Cortez made Mayweathers job easier.

Mayweather had the perfect answer for when Ricky used his speed to get into position to fire the close body shots...with his side-on stance he lifted the elbow so Ricky had to re-position himself or risk walking into the point of the elbow :x

Then Floyd would lift Hattons head with the forearm or elbow...both `tricks` well known by almost every good pro...though usually the ref picks it up quite quickly and puts a stop to it....Cortez didn`t :x

When Cortez warned Ricky he`d stop the fight after he`d been caught by a few shots...after Ricky had come back at Floyd...

Its easy to see how even the most proffesional boxer can lose their concentration with all that going on.

I don`t see a re-match selling...or a match with Oscar for that....my money is on Malignalli getting the call.

The Witter fight makes sense to us over here, but I`m not sure the money would match what Hatton can get over there.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 14 Dec 2007, 18:17

ALI wrote:I never had Hatton on top at any stage of the fight. For me Mayweather was coasting

I just can't accept that at all.

Revisionism is so commonplace in sport. I've lost count of the amount of time I've seen a football team lose a close tense game 1-0 and a week later (sometimes the next day with some newspapers) you read how they were 'turned over' and 'easily beaten' etc...

I'm not saying last Saturday was a close 1-0. More like a 3-0 with the first goal being controversial (i.e offside goal = Cortez's antics) but no way was Mayweather coasting for the first 5/6 rounds, absolutely no way.

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 14 Dec 2007, 18:17

I hate to say it but I can see this rematch happening. It's the easiest "acceptable" fight out there for Mayweather so I think he'd jump at the chance to do it again. As for Hatton, it's another big payday, if he loses it's still against only one opponent, and he'd probably get some sort of satisfaction out of going the distance with him second time around. I think Hatton will go for this if it's possible and then retire after, win, lose or draw.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 14 Dec 2007, 18:38

Goz wrote:
ALI wrote:I never had Hatton on top at any stage of the fight. For me Mayweather was coasting
I just can't accept that at all.

Revisionism is so commonplace in sport. I've lost count of the amount of time I've seen a football team lose a close tense game 1-0 and a week later (sometimes the next day with some newspapers) you read how they were 'turned over' and 'easily beaten' etc...

I'm not saying last Saturday was a close 1-0. More like a 3-0 with the first goal being controversial (i.e offside goal = Cortez's antics) but no way was Mayweather coasting for the first 5/6 rounds, absolutely no way.

I agree Goz to an extent. Watching it on the night I thought Hatton was well in the fight at half way stage - sharing the spoils or perhaps slightly ahead. I don't know whether it was because (in a beer induced state) I was willing a Hatton win and my objectivity was lost. However having had the opportunity to see it again the next day I could only give Hatton 2 of the first 6 rounds. There were a couple of close ones but I had to give the cleaner punching of PBF the edge. PBF certainly wasn't coasting but he was in control.

It's clear that the manner of the win makes it conclusive. I think that the 8th round was a big turning point with Hatton taking some big right hands followed by one massive one - that I am surprised he stayed on his feet from. Cortez certainly had a stinker - but it wouldn't have changed the outcome IMO and I wouldn't particularly want to see a rematch. PBF is just too good for Hatton.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 14 Dec 2007, 18:40

I knew when Mayweather landed the first lead right that he was gonna win. I swear to God.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 14 Dec 2007, 20:12

Well considering a Mayweather win was probably 80/20 likely then that's not really gifted pugilistic intuition.

Just going back to the point of Mayweather 'coasting', I think if the fight had been stopped in Round 6 or 7 due to Hatton's cut there would be an almighty outcry for a rematch now, even the staunchest of PBF fans (or Hatton haters - could call them Hatters for short, that would work) would surely be wondering what would have happened?

I don't think people would be saying 'ah Mayweather was coasting that, no point in a rematch'.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 15 Dec 2007, 03:52

Goz wrote:Well considering a Mayweather win was probably 80/20 likely then that's not really gifted pugilistic intuition.

Lol, I never claimed it was. However, it comes from having landed such easy shots myself. There are just some fights that you KNOW you are going to win from round one.

There is no point in a rematch. To beat this seasoned and active (such a key thing for fighters like Floyd) version of Floyd Mayweather, you need four things imo. Hatton has none of them. Floyd's opponents have, at some point had two or three of them, but none has ever had the full package necessary, i.e. DLH is in 3 categories, but his stamina let him down against Floyd.

First: The requisite athletic talent (example Zab Judah and ODLH) These are the only two fighters in recent memory that are athletically near Floyd in terms of speed and/or power, co-ordination etc. These are just natural abilities and cannot be taught but can be improved.

Second: The requisite skills (example Judah, DLH, Castillo) These guys have a high level of skill in relation to their own style.

Third: Ring smarts/Intelligence at world/p4p level (example DLH) DLH is the only fighter that Floyd has fought recently who has the intellectual ability to a) stick to a gameplan; b) keep his calm in the ring; c) change tactics

Fourth: An excellent DEFENCE (example no-one Floyd has fought) This for me is the key thing that 99% of Floyd's opponents have lacked. Thing that people do not understand is if you get hit against other fighters, you WILL DEFINITELY get hit against Floyd, and thus, unless you can outdo him on the above three criteria, you're in for a tough night.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is why Ricky Hatton will not win in a rematch. From these criteria, it is also possible to see how and why Cotto would lose.

Floyd will not lose until his athleticism starts to decline. If he does stay away for two years as he claims, then he might well lose upon return. For me, that would be folly by him.

Feel free to critique my analysis, this is something I want.

Another thing abou Floyd, he's very deceptive. I think his last few fights, all the people he's fought have said afterwards "He's a lot more <insert attribute/skill here> than I thought".

Gatti said it, Hatton said it, and I think Judah even made a similar reference. People think that you can get your trainer to watch videos of Floyd and voila, his whole style comes apart. However, as with all great sporting talents, Floyd knows how to improvise.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 15 Dec 2007, 06:09

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:"Ricky Hatton is eyeing a potential rematch with Floyd Mayweather despite suffering a tenth-round knockout to the WBC welterweight champion.

Despite a brave performance from the Hitman, Mayweather was just too classy and floored Hatton twice en route to victory.

Hatton's camp have already made noises about returning to the 10st division, with Junior Witter and Paulie Malignaggi already throwing their hats into the ring.

Oscar De La Hoya has also reaffirmed that he could be tempted by a meeting with the Hitman, however it is a rematch with Pretty Boy Floyd that Ricky really desires.

And despite suffering his first knockout of his career, Hatton insists he has no fear about going toe-to-toe with Mayweather again.

He told Sky Sports News: "It depends what fights are offered to me now.

"There is talk of the de la Hoya fight, which could be at a catchweight of 10st 10lbs, or a rematch could be in the offing, or there are these fights at light-welterweight. I just need to sit down with my team and make up my mind.

Fearless

"My best attribute is that I am fearless. I think that it was working and up until the sixth-round stage, I think there wasn't a lot in it.

"Then I lost my way, lost my rag on a few occasions, got a point taken off and when I tried to force the issue, I obviously got knocked out.

"I've got positives to take from the fight but ultimately I'm very, very disappointed - however like any good champion I will bounce back."

Although upset at the loss, Hatton paid tribute to the support he received from a vocal British following in Las Vegas.

He added: "It was a bit of a disappointment but I think the way the fans were afterwards cushioned the blow.

"It doesn't matter how many belts you have won, or titles that you win, or fights unbeaten you are, I think that any fighter would give their right arm for support like that."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...972614,00.html

Whats the point? he would get stopped again by PBF, and would get KO'd by DLH

He should rebuild at Light Welter or retire.

rooney · Post by **rooney** » 15 Dec 2007, 06:25

Rematch? Serious?

It wasn't even close. Mayweather showed that he can beat Hatton at his own game.

Hatton's making all sorts of excuses. He's simply not as good as some people think. Vastly overrated.

Hatton has had the referee on his side all his career, i.e. Kostya Tyzu, Eamonn Magee...

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 15 Dec 2007, 06:55

By the way just want to clarify I'm not calling for a rematch and don't particularly want to see one but I was merely pointing out the innacuracy of statements claiming Mayweather was 'coasting' from the first bell and Hatton was 'schooled' which I think is nonsense.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 15 Dec 2007, 07:00

Goz wrote:By the way just want to clarify I'm not calling for a rematch and don't particularly want to see one but I was merely pointing out the innacuracy of statements claiming Mayweather was 'coasting' from the first bell and Hatton was 'schooled' which I think is nonsense.

I only saw the fight once but will ty to watch on the BBC tomorrow, but my impression was it was very one sided and the onl time Ricky had success was in the clinches because Mayweather couldnt hit him.

I think to a degree he was given a boxing lesson in most rounds.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 15 Dec 2007, 07:22

Southpaw Stylist wrote:it is also possible to see how and why Cotto would lose.

For me Cotto goes from strength to strength, and is a legit threat to Mayweather. The only threat really.

Cotto would have dealt with Hatton just as conclusively.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 15 Dec 2007, 07:22

I thought Hatton kept Mayweather honest for the first 5/6 sessions before Floyd pulled away. Maybe I'll take another look and let you know in the calm light of day...

Matt W · Post by **Matt W** » 15 Dec 2007, 12:27

I agree with that Goz. Mayweather was clearly a couple of notches above but to suggest Hatton was outclassed is a bit much for me - I tend to reserve that for when a fighter doesn't belong in the same ring (Gatti-Mayweather springs to mind).

I also agree about the revisionism that goes on. My opinion of Hatton hasn't lessened because of this loss. He's a very, very good fighter. Mayweather is a great, great fighter. No shame in that loss.

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