Hatton's new trainer (you heard it here first)

STP · Post by **STP** » 15 Dec 2007, 20:51

Robert McCracken.

He wants Oscar at Wembley and Cotto at the Garden.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 15 Dec 2007, 20:53

NOt a chance.

STP · Post by **STP** » 15 Dec 2007, 20:55

Bow to me when it's revealed.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 15 Dec 2007, 20:58

Rob McCracken ain't great from what I've seen.

Nor is Graham though. I don't rate many British trainers.

Richard Williams' old trainer was good.

Mario · Post by **Mario** » 15 Dec 2007, 21:00

so where did you hear this?

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 15 Dec 2007, 21:08

if true, a bit of a snap decision

Jabby · Post by **Jabby** » 15 Dec 2007, 21:30

STP wrote:Robert McCracken.

Just worked with Robert McCracken on the Duddy/Eastman fight. Hatton & Briton can't ask for a finer gentleman to represent them. Judging by his ability to coach a downside contender to reach his optimum ability, he should rank as very fine trainer also. The famed Don Turner had nothing but praise for Robert.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:17

mccracken may be a good trainer but no trainer in this world or the next will turn ricky into an effective welterweight. so no oscar and certainly no cotto

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:23

I'm not sure he's a good trainer at all. He hasn't ironed out Froch's many faults, and I genuinely believe his corner work was awful when Eastman fought Hopkins.

Hatton's done great with Graham, who is a good coach. This is just idol speculation, and that chances of hom leaving Graham at all are slight, let alone leaving him for McCracken. A very low possibility scenario, in my view.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:40

McCracken sucks big time, i dont care if he reads this. Eastman had all the tools to be a world champion. He couldnt do shit with him, if Eastman was under a decent trainer he would of been a world champ. No doubt!

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 16 Dec 2007, 07:55

Razor wrote:McCracken sucks big time, i dont care if he reads this. Eastman had all the tools to be a world champion. He couldnt do shit with him, if Eastman was under a decent trainer he would of been a world champ. No doubt!

He might have had the physical tools but he didnt have the mindset or drive to be the best - just look how poorly he performed when he had his big chances - he always flattered to deceive in my eyes.

Maybe a great motivator could have dragged a great performance out of him? We will never know, but for my money McCraken is a very good young trainer and has years ahead of him to prove his worth.

Its very easy to knock people, but Rob is dedicate and very professional in his approach with the technical knowledge to produce a world champion or two before he is done

As for the Hatton rumour, I would be diappointed to see Ricky dump Graham. A knee jerk sacking following a loss that just about anyone could see coming against the P4P king would be unwise and ill timed.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 16 Dec 2007, 08:07

STP wrote:Robert McCracken.

He wants Oscar at Wembley and Cotto at the Garden.

upset in the hatton camp is hardly new news...read my post yesterday...

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 16 Dec 2007, 08:36

STP wrote:Robert McCracken.

He wants Oscar at Wembley and Cotto at the Garden.

Another two KO defeats for Hatton.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 16 Dec 2007, 10:03

If Robert McCracken is better than Billy Graham, I'm a Monkey's Uncle.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 16 Dec 2007, 11:25

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:If Robert McCracken is better than Billy Graham, I'm a Monkey's Uncle.

Billy Graham is at the least 40% of Hattons success - Hatton I think abandoned the gameplan they cooked up together and fought wildly - If the rumours are true maybe Graham feels he has taken Ricky to the pinnacle and there isnt much left to do - McCracken is good at training young fighters on the way up but taking on a seasoned fighter like Ricky is, isnt going to work - Graham is a far better trainer and he knows Ricky through and through so staying with Billy is Hattons best chance of ending his career on top - Graham said a good while ago "Ricky and I have made more money than we ever dreamed of doing and the money isnt important any more" - Maybe Billy wants out now, he has known really bad times and now he is well off maybe he just wants to enjoy life, you cant blame him.

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 16 Dec 2007, 11:37

if hatton leaves graham i can see him going with Buddy McGurt - due to the smith connection and with hatton fighting in the US

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 16 Dec 2007, 11:38

WildWaylon wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:If Robert McCracken is better than Billy Graham, I'm a Monkey's Uncle.
Billy Graham is at the least 40% of Hattons success - Hatton I think abandoned the gameplan they cooked up together and fought wildly - If the rumours are true maybe Graham feels he has taken Ricky to the pinnacle and there isnt much left to do - McCracken is good at training young fighters on the way up but taking on a seasoned fighter like Ricky is, isnt going to work - Graham is a far better trainer and he knows Ricky through and through so staying with Billy is Hattons best chance of ending his career on top - Graham said a good while ago "Ricky and I have made more money than we ever dreamed of doing and the money isnt important any more" - Maybe Billy wants out now, he has known really bad times and now he is well off maybe he just wants to enjoy life, you cant blame him.

Exactly why I think his only option for a new trainer is Roach or Calzaghe. Maybe McGirt, but he's seconds tier IMO. The former 2 are the best.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 16 Dec 2007, 11:42

I think the only reason they would split would be if Ricky wanted to fight at welter again. I don't think Billy would want him to fight above 140 now. He could carry on getting his 10% of the mega paydays, but I think he's more concerned about Hatton's health and knows he's more likely to get severe beatings at 147.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Dec 2007, 11:42

WildWaylon wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:If Robert McCracken is better than Billy Graham, I'm a Monkey's Uncle.
Billy Graham is at the least 40% of Hattons success - Hatton I think abandoned the gameplan they cooked up together and fought wildly - If the rumours are true maybe Graham feels he has taken Ricky to the pinnacle and there isnt much left to do - McCracken is good at training young fighters on the way up but taking on a seasoned fighter like Ricky is, isnt going to work - Graham is a far better trainer and he knows Ricky through and through so staying with Billy is Hattons best chance of ending his career on top - Graham said a good while ago "Ricky and I have made more money than we ever dreamed of doing and the money isnt important any more" - Maybe Billy wants out now, he has known really bad times and now he is well off maybe he just wants to enjoy life, you cant blame him.

I wonder whether this supposed rift might be to do with Graham urging him to retire and/or move down to 140.

Graham gave him some good advice, though in my opinion wasn't really firing Hatton up enough in there, and Ricky seemed to just completely ignore the game plan.

Hatton is too long in the tooth to learn much new, and to be honest, there's a limit to what can be done with a guy with his strengths. Maybe a bit more head movement, and come dipping to the side, but then again, these are things Hatton used to do more, although his head movement has always been a bit lacking.

I can't see someone like Calzaghe wanting to take him on at this stage, or being able to do that much with him.

Get back to 140 ricky, unify the division if you can, and then maybe one more foray into America.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 16 Dec 2007, 12:05

Graham seemed to have summed it up perfectly post-fight. He said he wasn't worried about Hatton chasing/cutting him down. He was worried about what would happen when he got there, and said that RH just couldn't physically do what they'd worked on.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 16 Dec 2007, 14:57

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
WildWaylon wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:If Robert McCracken is better than Billy Graham, I'm a Monkey's Uncle.
Billy Graham is at the least 40% of Hattons success - Hatton I think abandoned the gameplan they cooked up together and fought wildly - If the rumours are true maybe Graham feels he has taken Ricky to the pinnacle and there isnt much left to do - McCracken is good at training young fighters on the way up but taking on a seasoned fighter like Ricky is, isnt going to work - Graham is a far better trainer and he knows Ricky through and through so staying with Billy is Hattons best chance of ending his career on top - Graham said a good while ago "Ricky and I have made more money than we ever dreamed of doing and the money isnt important any more" - Maybe Billy wants out now, he has known really bad times and now he is well off maybe he just wants to enjoy life, you cant blame him.
I wonder whether this supposed rift might be to do with Graham urging him to retire and/or move down to 140.

Graham gave him some good advice, though in my opinion wasn't really firing Hatton up enough in there, and Ricky seemed to just completely ignore the game plan.

Hatton is too long in the tooth to learn much new, and to be honest, there's a limit to what can be done with a guy with his strengths. Maybe a bit more head movement, and come dipping to the side, but then again, these are things Hatton used to do more, although his head movement has always been a bit lacking.

I can't see someone like Calzaghe wanting to take him on at this stage, or being able to do that much with him.

Get back to 140 ricky, unify the division if you can, and then maybe one more foray into America.

For 5 or 10% of what Hatton earns, they'd definately take him.

Anyway, why would he want to move from Graham? I don't see it.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 16 Dec 2007, 15:10

STP wrote:Robert McCracken.

He wants Oscar at Wembley and Cotto at the Garden.

No chance.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 16 Dec 2007, 18:02

the old addage is "20 to learn, 20 to earn" not "...20 to earn and then do a bit more learning if you get beat" ricky has had a lot of fights for a guy of 29 years old. pointless hiring anyone else for the two or three he's got left.

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 16 Dec 2007, 18:12

will kerry kaye still work with ricky, or is he with billy ??

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 16 Dec 2007, 18:15

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