Mike Wilson

Dancin' Dan · Post by **Dancin' Dan** » 17 Dec 2007, 16:23

Does anyone know if Mike Wilson the former two time National Super Heavy Champ is turning pro soon? I thought he got a bit of a raw deal at the Olympic trials. The fights he lost couldn't have been closer, and could have gone the other way easily. He isn't real big but does have solid skills and seems to have a good chin as well.

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 17 Dec 2007, 18:30

good question, i was gonna ask that at silver gloves the other day and forgot too, ill try to find out if someone dosent answer back first.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 18 Dec 2007, 00:05

He has been at the Olympic training center in Colorado Springs and is the Alternate at 201+. He just competed in the US v England dual a few weeks ago.

babyhuey · Post by **babyhuey** » 18 Dec 2007, 00:35

Dennis wrote:He has been at the Olympic training center in Colorado Springs and is the Alternate at 201+. He just competed in the US v England dual a few weeks ago.

how did he do there..??
mike is gonna be pushing mid 20's now right..??
wonder if hes gonna try out again in 4 years.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 18 Dec 2007, 13:30

Mike will be 25 in February. He did come very close to making the Olympic team, ending up in the #3 spot. The #2 guy Kimdo Bethel didn't go to the camp or was replaced by Mike Wilson. I'm not sure. Wilson was the #2 guy in 2004 so he has been close twice. He probably is waiting until all the qualifiers are done before making his decision. He would be 29 if he stuck around for the 2012 Olympics so I doubt that he will do that, but who knows.

As far as the USA v. England dual, Mike lost a bout on the tie-breaker which was the raw score. The scoring of the bouts was questionable so I have a feeling that he probably won his bout if there were neutral judges in a neutral site.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 18 Dec 2007, 14:48

England dual, Mike lost a bout on the tie-breaker which was the raw score

Supposed to be the accepted score now.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 18 Dec 2007, 18:20

Accepted score is the score recorded by the computer when 3 or more of the judges press the button simultaneously (i.e. within 1 second of each other) while the raw score is the first tie-breaker. The raw score is the score of the 3 judges after eliminating the lowest scoring and highest scoring judges.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 18 Dec 2007, 18:22

The next tie-breaker is the judges poll where each judge presses the button for the boxer they think won the bout. This is only used when the accepted score and raw score are both tied.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 19 Dec 2007, 14:01

while the raw score is the first tie-breaker

Dennis, trust me on this one - it was changed to "accepted" score two years ago. Until we get a system that does it automatically, the computer techs have to throw out the high and low "accepted" scores on both boxers and total up the remaining three numbers to determine the winner in the first tie breaker.

If this still doesn't break the tie, it then goes to the judges to select a winner.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 20 Dec 2007, 00:08

Mel - I didn't read the AIBA rule that way. The 2007 rulebook at Rule XVII A. 4. a. 5) states:
"Apart from the combined final result (the total of all blows that have
been recorded simultaneously by at least three Judges) the
individual score of each of the five Judges shall be kept. If, at the
end of a bout, both competitors have scored an equal number of
blows in the combined score, the boxer having scored the most hits
in the three individual Judges’ scores that remain when deleting the
highest and the lowest score, shall be declared the winner. If these
are equal, too, the five Judges shall be required to award the
decision in accordance with Rule XVII, Paragraph 3.b., by pressing
the respective button."

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 20 Dec 2007, 00:44

Okay - you read it your way and we'll continue to do it from the accepted score, as instructed.

Puncher7 · Post by **Puncher7** » 20 Dec 2007, 04:21

what exactly do u mean by 'accepted score?'
I first thought 'accepted score' was the 'official score'
for example when three of the five judges press a button within a second and a boxer scores a point on the computer to make it 1-0 I thought that was the 'accepted score'

so if the official score is tied or whatever u wanna call it, then what is the accepted score?

I thought the 'raw' score was the total number of times an athlete's button was pushed and that was the second method of determining a winner if it was tied. Then if the 'raw' score was tied then they polled the judges??

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 20 Dec 2007, 10:13

The accepted (or "official') score is what the computer shows when three judges press the button for the same boxer within a one-second window. The raw score shows every time a judge pushes the button for each boxer.

(Dennis - I have confirmed the below with Ray Silvas, who is the VP of the AIBA Officials Committee.)

When, at the end of four rounds, the accepted ("official") score is tied, the computer automatically throws out the high and the low for both boxers using the accepted score instead of the raw score as was done in the past.

Hope this clears up the matter. If not, feel free to post more questions.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 21 Dec 2007, 00:32

OK, you are correct Mel. I think it is a dumb rule, but it is the way they do it. That is why they scores on a tie-breaker are always less than 3 times the tied computer score. It if was the raw score of three judges, then the score would be higher than 3 times the computer score. That is the way they did it back in 2004 & 2005. It changed in 2006.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Dec 2007, 10:29

I think it is a dumb rule,

Why?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 21 Dec 2007, 13:13

Mel - you know how I feel about the judges having to hit the button withing 1 second of each other and how 1 judge can withhold hitting his/her button and that will make it very difficult for a boxer to score. I'm in favor of separate scoring by each judge. I like the idea of the new scoring system. Each judge is accountable and independent. As we all know, in certain parts of the ring with positioning it is impossible for all 5 judges to see punches land. I could go on and on, but I prefer the tie-breaker to be the raw score of the 3 judges and not the accepted score of the 3 which could be very affected by the 2 judges scores that are thrown out. The whole point of throwing out the high and low judges is to try to use the three most impartial of the five judges. That can't be done when using the accepted score of the 3 judges.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 21 Dec 2007, 14:05

I'm in favor of separate scoring by each judge. I like the idea of the new scoring system.

Please explain "separate scoring by each judge." Nothing has changed in that respect. And the new scoring system is no different than the old scoring system except the spectators can see the accepted score as it happens.

Each judge is accountable and independent

.

Not sure what you mean by this. Each judge as always been accountable via the "score cards."

but I prefer the tie-breaker to be the raw score of the 3 judges and not the accepted score of the 3 which could be very affected by the 2 judges scores that are thrown out.

This is what I don't understand. The results of who wins remains the same; the tie breaker scores are probably higher using the raw.

The whole point of throwing out the high and low judges is to try to use the three most impartial of the five judges.

Do you really think that defines the "most impartial?" Hmmm.....

That can't be done when using the accepted score of the 3 judges.

Why not? As I have said, the resulting winner will not change. Dennis, if you and I are both at the U.S. Championships next year, find me and I'll be more than happy to show you the scoring system and how it works.