More about Futch and Manila, Yancey....
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Can you define, "knocked out" for us?
Beaten so badly they had to halt the sparring session? Knocked down & took a long time to recover? Knocked unconscious?
I'm sorry I can't be of any help, since I've never heard that story. I doubt it carries credibility though. If you could count on Joe Frazier to do anything, it was take punishment. Of all the boxing styles, his as the swarmer was the most conducive to being KO'd, he fought in the best Heavyweight period of all-time, fought some of the best wars in history, & was never knocked out (10-Count).
Well, from what I remember of the stories, I always took it as being just like your moniker here. Lights out. But, again, that's just my interpretation of something I heard a few times 28 or 29 years ago. So ...
granberry wrote:Joe Frazier's son Marvis was knocked out cold repeatedly, as an amateur and professional in a number of workouts.joe kurtz wrote:OK, this may be a bit off the subject at hand, but does anyone know if there's any truth to the following story?
When I was a young lad of 17 just starting out at Singer's Gym in downtown Buffalo back in 1978, one of the many stories I heard was about some guy who knocked out Joe Frazier in sparring back when he held the title. The gym's proprietor Johnny Sudac recounted the tale to me as did a few others back then.
But, all these years later, for the life of me, I can't recall who they said it was. All I know for sure was that they indicated that it was some sort of a nobody or a novice of some sort. And, for whatever reason, I was left with the impression that it was a white guy.
Now, I'm assuming that this incident took place either at Frazier's Gym or at one of his training camps.
Any clues? This has been driving me crazy for years.
Very unhealthy.
As for your so-called "story," you'll have to be JUST A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC.
LOL
C'mon dude,, like Boxbuzz said, if you know something, speak up. Even if it's only secondhand info that may have gotten twisted into the form that I heard as a kid.
As for specifics, I don't have anything more than what I've already said.
For some reason, I always pictured the incident as being a sparring session between Frazier & someone along the lines of a Jerry Judge or a Tony Ventura type who just happened to land the right shot, at the right time. Know what I mean?
As for Marvis, yeah, I remember hearing about those KOs he suffered occasionally in the gym. One story in particular had him getting knocked spark out by a Canadian clubfighter by the name of Gaston Berube that they'd brought in for sparring.
Marvis had some nice skills, but he just wasn't built for taking shots. I remember he was even rocked briefly in his pro debut against the very ordinary Roger Troupe. It's actually a bit remarkable that despite this flaw, he was only beaten/KO'd twice. This despite fighting some other decent bangers like Bonecrusher, "Quick" Tillis & others.
Gotta give the kid credit, for what he lacked in his chin he made up for with heart. Which carried him to success as a pro, with the exception of those two first round disasters that is.
You brought up a "rumor," kurtz.
You have NOTHING to back it up with.
The value of such crap is ziltch.
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Marvis was out cold close to 20 times.
Joe was crazy to let him fight.
They had an operation on a nerve in Marvis' neck to try to fix his "problem."
Sicko.
You have NOTHING to back it up with.
The value of such crap is ziltch.
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Marvis was out cold close to 20 times.
Joe was crazy to let him fight.
They had an operation on a nerve in Marvis' neck to try to fix his "problem."
Sicko.
granberry wrote:You brought up a "rumor," kurtz.
You have NOTHING to back it up with.
The value of such crap is ziltch.
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Marvis was out cold close to 20 times.
Joe was crazy to let him fight.
They had an operation on a nerve in Marvis' neck to try to fix his "problem."
Sicko.
Ah, gotta luv ya. Obnoxious as ever, but entertaining as hell! 8)
Happy Holidays!
Oh I don't know granberry, some of your rumors are at least entertaining....don't be so hard on yourself. We love nothing more than lighting up a Havana seeded cigar...(grown in Jamaica of course) and contemplating some of your stories. Who knows maybe you'll finish writing that "docu drama" the one youv'e taken some creative liscence with on that third round between Ernie and Ali and share it with us sometime.
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Re: More about Futch and Manila, Yancey....
granberry at his best!
Re: More about Futch and Manila, Yancey....
Giancarlo wrote:granberry at his best!
Well, maybe you aren't entirely useless after all.
Find some more classic Granberry threads and pull 'em back up.
I miss the old coot. He pretty much knew the score.
Re: More about Futch and Manila, Yancey....
How could he not? He's "east coast".