Haye V Maccerenlli on according to The Times newspaper

s9s · Post by **s9s** » 24 Dec 2007, 09:15

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 090590.ece

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 24 Dec 2007, 09:24

Have to say, times is usually spot on when it comes to its predictions for boxing and football.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:06

damn this. haye is another class to enzo but he's given the guy every advantage. if this is true.

boxbet · Post by **boxbet** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:10

wow , i like that report. come on Hatton v Pacman. Haye v Enzo. Joe v Bhop.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:21

Hatton Vs Pac would be a mismatch.

Pacquiao will find Lightweight and above too big and would be the easiest fight for Hatton as Pac Is more a fast brawler.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtB0gD6O_Ak&

Calzaghe and Hop square up.

Hopkins and Warrior Is laughable.

Runs off with no matierial and can only come up with never lose to a white boy.

Calzaghe will give Hopkins a one sided beatdown.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 24 Dec 2007, 11:28

Have to say, if Haye-Enzo is on, I am fecking disgusted. Big fights aren't good if you know who's going to win. Haye going down for Mormeck was a race against time. Now he's going to be a burned out shell vs Maccarinelli.

They just want to beat on a dead at the weight opponent, take the titles that he went to all the trouble to win etc. Mac says he fights for the glory but I don't call this glory. It leaves a bad taste.

No champion has distinguished himself as badly as Macca (in terms of PR and easy title defenses though his win over Braithwaite was impressive) in 2007. Yet it APPEARS Haye may have sold out & given the bully boys all the advantages.

That said, we've seen Frank jump the gun before. Remember when Calzaghe-Kessler was "on" even when Kessler hadn't signed. We were deceived for a long time until HBO came on board.

Mario · Post by **Mario** » 24 Dec 2007, 12:44

Im very surprised at this, especially considering how Haye used the weight as an excuse when Mormeck hurt him. Surely Haye should have tried to negotiate the weight and made it at 207 or 208 without the titles

BigGar · Post by **BigGar** » 24 Dec 2007, 13:00

Oh come on people. If Enzo wins, don't give the weight as an excuse. Haye made it a few weeks ago and can probably do it again. He's staying in training to make the weight.

History is littered with fighters who battle to make weight. It's nothing new. No excuses. The better man will win on the night.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 24 Dec 2007, 13:30

Autobarn wrote:Have to say, if Haye-Enzo is on, I am fecking disgusted. Big fights aren't good if you know who's going to win. Haye going down for Mormeck was a race against time. Now he's going to be a burned out shell vs Maccarinelli.

They just want to beat on a dead at the weight opponent, take the titles that he went to all the trouble to win etc. Mac says he fights for the glory but I don't call this glory. It leaves a bad taste.

No champion has distinguished himself as badly as Macca (in terms of PR and easy title defenses though his win over Braithwaite was impressive) in 2007. Yet it APPEARS Haye may have sold out & given the bully boys all the advantages.

That said, we've seen Frank jump the gun before. Remember when Calzaghe-Kessler was "on" even when Kessler hadn't signed. We were deceived for a long time until HBO came on board.

Haye will bowl him over in two rounds

Seriously I don't see the big man taking this one if its a loss. It makes businesss sence for him in terms of building up his HW profile.

boxbet · Post by **boxbet** » 24 Dec 2007, 13:40

This fight has to happen for the credibility of boxing. Its a barnstormer of a fight. Both have boxing ability and knockout punch power. I give a slight edge to haye, but its by no means a "gimme". undisputed title on the line, and an all british affair.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 24 Dec 2007, 13:46

Mario and Big Gar - why is it an EXCUSE when Haye has been saying he's dead at the weight all year long, and has looked healthier up at heavyweight? It's a fact that he's not strong at the weight, whereas Enzo is.

Haye's speed, reflexes and legs don't appear to be there.

I don't believe it'll happen. Haye has too good a career to waste on a fight where all factors - weight, probably location - will favor the other guy.

Enzo won't take a 50-50 fight unless someone has a gun to his head. It's diabolical.

If it happens, Haye is the one taking all the risks. I would be very surprised to ever see Enzo fight on another man's terms. Hope Haye blasts him out in 2, josh fg.

Mario · Post by **Mario** » 24 Dec 2007, 14:00

Autobarn wrote:Mario and Big Gar - why is it an EXCUSE when Haye has been saying he's dead at the weight all year long, and has looked healthier up at heavyweight? It's a fact that he's not strong at the weight, whereas Enzo is.

Haye's speed, reflexes and legs don't appear to be there.

I don't believe it'll happen. Haye has too good a career to waste on a fight where all factors - weight, probably location - will favor the other guy.

Enzo won't take a 50-50 fight unless someone has a gun to his head. It's diabolical.

If it happens, Haye is the one taking all the risks. I would be very surprised to ever see Enzo fight on another man's terms. Hope Haye blasts him out in 2, josh fg.

Dont get me wrong, im not having a dig at Haye, i really hope he knocks Enzo out, but im just saying i cant understand why he'd take the fight after coming out and saying how much of a struggle it was making 200 lbs and admitting when he got hit by Mormeck and his legs went it was mainly because of the weight problems.

Haye sounds confident of winning knocking him out, but he could make the same mistake he did against Thompson and run out of steam if he doesnt get Enzo out of there quickly, especially if he's weight drained.

states · Post by **states** » 24 Dec 2007, 14:00

fornicate me, you're hard to please at times Autobarn. Is Haye likely to be at his best at 200lb's these days? Probably not. But he is the champion of the division. If he was good enough to beat Mormeck less than 2 months ago, then he should be good enough to fight Enzo.

I'd just be delighted to see the fight. There's plenty of people who think Haye would simply blast Enzo out regardless of weight issues. I'd far rather see this than Haye taking on another Bonin. If Haye feels he can do it, let's get it on. He's a credit to the sport.

Tunney · Post by **Tunney** » 24 Dec 2007, 14:17

Autobarn wrote:Mario and Big Gar - why is it an EXCUSE when Haye has been saying he's dead at the weight all year long, and has looked healthier up at heavyweight? It's a fact that he's not strong at the weight, whereas Enzo is.

You must think Haye's going to lose if you're making all tose excuses already. C'mon, be fair, don't be so negative about Maccarinelli.

Whoever wins is the better man! Not to mention the WBC, WBA, WBO and Ring Cruiserweight champion.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 24 Dec 2007, 14:27

This is a f*cking waste of time and I can't understand any boxing fan who would say otherwise.

HAYE IS A NATURAL F*CKING HEAVYWEIGHT NOW, HE HAS WON THE UNDISPUTED CW TITLE, AND NEEDS TO GO AND PURSUE THE RICHEST PRIZE IN SPORT, NOT BOIL DOWN IN WEIGHT AND TAKE A RISKY FIGHT FOR NO GOOD REASON. WIPING OUT THIS PAPER TITLIST DOES NOTHING FOR HIM IN ANY WAY!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 24 Dec 2007, 15:11

Tunney wrote:
Autobarn wrote:Mario and Big Gar - why is it an EXCUSE when Haye has been saying he's dead at the weight all year long, and has looked healthier up at heavyweight? It's a fact that he's not strong at the weight, whereas Enzo is.
You must think Haye's going to lose if you're making all tose excuses already. C'mon, be fair, don't be so negative about Maccarinelli.

Whoever wins is the better man! Not to mention the WBC, WBA, WBO and Ring Cruiserweight champion.

I do think he's going to lose. Because he seemed to be cutting it very fine even taking the Mormeck fight.

Haye's an excellent fighter, I want him to knock Macca out, but the handicapping in favor of the Warren fighter is so obvious it makes me sick.

Haye is a heavyweight. Well said Riddick Blowe - though obviously the money being offered is what may be tempting him.

I like to see fighters fighting at their best. Haye proved he deserved the benefit of our doubt as a heavyweight by smashing Bonin. He doesn't look good at cruiser. Lots of fighters outgrow weight classes and it looks like Haye has done.

If Mac wins, it's terrible. He'll dump 2/3 of his belts, go back to fighting cream puffs, Haye will be classed as damaged goods & will have lost is lustre.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 24 Dec 2007, 15:48

it's a nightmare, haye is the one with the future and he's about to boil down to a walking shell and has a good chance of getting knocked out and his career derailed

DON'T DO IT DAVID FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 24 Dec 2007, 16:12

I have been seriously guilty of grossly underating my mate "Maccaroni" - the fight would be a lot closer than I thought.

Haye has a massive punch - yeah yeah so does Maccaroni - but Haye has speed to go with it.

The massive doubt about Haye is the "Whiskers" - How big was that punch against Mormeck that dropped him??

Its going to be a very very short fight - put your bets on in those first 3 rounds.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 24 Dec 2007, 16:48

Spud wrote:I have been seriously guilty of grossly underating my mate "Maccaroni" - the fight would be a lot closer than I thought.

Haye has a massive punch - yeah yeah so does Maccaroni - but Haye has speed to go with it.

The massive doubt about Haye is the "Whiskers" - How big was that punch against Mormeck that dropped him??

Its going to be a very very short fight - put your bets on in those first 3 rounds.

The thing is Spud, if Haye weight problems are for real this is a mad fight for him.

Warren must have offered him MASSIVE money, but in a way Haye has a ready made excuse if he loses.

The way I see it, Haye has to win inside 3 rounds.

They are both vulnerable, but I will go for Haye in the first, as I think he will go in there with the sole intention of KOing Macca asap.

If Macca can box and extend Haye he could get a stoppage in about 8.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 24 Dec 2007, 18:47

KO Artist wrote:
Spud wrote:I have been seriously guilty of grossly underating my mate "Maccaroni" - the fight would be a lot closer than I thought.

Haye has a massive punch - yeah yeah so does Maccaroni - but Haye has speed to go with it.

The massive doubt about Haye is the "Whiskers" - How big was that punch against Mormeck that dropped him??

Its going to be a very very short fight - put your bets on in those first 3 rounds.
The thing is Spud, if Haye weight problems are for real this is a mad fight for him.

Warren must have offered him MASSIVE money, but in a way Haye has a ready made excuse if he loses.

The way I see it, Haye has to win inside 3 rounds.

They are both vulnerable, but I will go for Haye in the first, as I think he will go in there with the sole intention of KOing Macca asap.

If Macca can box and extend Haye he could get a stoppage in about 8.

You are right in my opinion about Haye having to go at it in those first 3 rounds - but there is a fight we all know will haunt him when thinking about those tactics - Carl Thompson!!!

I will bring into question something else - people go on about Haye's stamina - look at the Mormeck fight can his stamina be questioned there??

Or to counter that - does the slowing down of the punches and the decreasing of the number of punches to save the stamina negate Haye's one big strength against Maccaroni!!!

Tell you what - one bloody intriguing fight!!!

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 24 Dec 2007, 19:51

Spud wrote:Tell you what - one bloody intriguing fight!!!

If it does go ahead, I think it's going to awesome.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Dec 2007, 05:01

Damn, some complaiabout the fight not being made not they complain when It might be made because of the weight.

If Haye loses his fault.

And It Is a pick em fight too, Haye Is not In another class to Enzo and I like both before someone uses the FW cheerleader excuse.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 25 Dec 2007, 06:14

if haye is not comfortable with the fight at the cruiserweight limit then he should not take the fight in my opinion, and he should flaunt himself at heavyweight...

but if the fight is made, then great, lets have a bang fest, im sure it wont go 3 rounds and both fellas could taste canvas, but i think haye will get up whereas maccarinelli will not !!!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 25 Dec 2007, 06:16

Macca wants a weight drained shell.

If this fight is happening, then why aren't Fwannk's OPTIONS getting in the way? Why is he so sure now that Mac can win it?

Everyone knows. Haye is a corpse at the weight. Mac likes to beat on corpses, if he can't get tomato can.