We have information that the De La Hoya fight was fixed

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 12 Jan 2004, 11:35

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ ... 4787c.html

A law enforcement source close to the probe would not elaborate on the findings, saying only, "We have information that the De La Hoya fight was fixed."

There are some guys whose fighting records are going to be tarnished, and there are some guys who are going to go to jail," said one law enforcement source with knowledge of the case. "This case is going to be a huge blow to the boxing industry and how it conducts its business."

Arum's

career was blemished in 2000 when he admitted to making an improper $100,000 payment to International Boxing Federation founder Bob Lee to sanction the April 22, 1995, fight between George Foreman, then the heavyweight champion, and Axel Schulz in Atlantic City.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 12 Jan 2004, 11:37

opps meant to go on the fix thread, never mind

Lugh · Post by **Lugh** » 12 Jan 2004, 11:42

Fixed in what sense I wonder?

both guys gave their all (IMO) and the decision was (IMO) wrong but not as "wrong" as some i have seen.

I wonder who was responsible - I suppose to get your answer you have to ask who benefits from a Mosley win? - apart from Mosley himself it's hard to tell.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 12 Jan 2004, 11:52

Lugh wrote:Fixed in what sense I wonder?

both guys gave their all (IMO) and the decision was (IMO) wrong but not as "wrong" as some i have seen.

I wonder who was responsible - I suppose to get your answer you have to ask who benefits from a Mosley win? - apart from Mosley himself it's hard to tell.

corruption probe of boxing is examining whether the disputed bout between Oscar De La Hoya and (Sugar) Shane Mosley was fixed, the Daily News has learned.
The investigation centers on allegations that Top Rank - one of the world's largest boxing promoters - and a number of its boxers were involved in schemes to throw fights.

Law enforcement sources told The News there also is evidence that scales may have been tampered with to allow boxers of different weight classes to fight each other, and that medical documents were forged.

During the ongoing, 20-month probe, evidence also has been uncovered suggesting that the fight between Mosley and De La Hoya, a Top Rank boxer, may have been rigged, the sources said. Mosley won the September bout by unanimous decision but De La Hoya cried foul, demanding an investigation into the three judges' scorecards.

A law enforcement source close to the probe would not elaborate on the findings, saying only, "We have information that the De La Hoya fight was fixed."

The latest development came Tuesday, when the FBI raided promoter Bob Arum's Top Rank headquarters in Las Vegas. Armed with search warrants, agents seized computers, financial documents, boxers' contracts, medical records and videotapes of professional fights.

A Top Rank executive, Lee Samuels, insisted that his company has turned over .everything the FBI requested. Arum was traveling out of the country, Samuels said.

"Neither the basis nor the purpose for the FBI request is known," Samuels said in a statement released yesterday. "We are fully cooperating with any requests made of us by the FBI and its agents in order to facilitate their job."

The probe was spearheaded by an NYPD detective posing as a wiseguy from New York trying to sell stolen booty in Vegas.

The FBI's Vegas office had asked the NYPD for assistance, and with the blessing of Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, the former New York State boxing commissioner, the detective packed his bags for Vegas.

The detective teamed with an FBI special agent pretending to be his enforcer/driver, and they began moving among Las Vegas underworld figures. They cemented their reputation as goodfellas from New York, accumulating evidence through wiretaps and their own observations.

"These guys were solid in Las Vegas, flashing cash and acting like tough guys. It was all smoke and mirrors, but it worked," said another source familiar with the operation.

The detective began ingratiating himself with sports figures at hot spots such as Charlie Palmer's steakhouse at the Four Seasons and the ultra-exclusive private Foundation Room nightclub atop Mandalay Bay. He became a regular at Nine at the Palms and A.J.'s in the Hard Rock.

"There are some guys whose fighting records are going to be tarnished, and there are some guys who are going to go to jail," said one law enforcement source with knowledge of the case. "This case is going to be a huge blow to the boxing industry and how it conducts its business."

Arum, 72, a Brooklyn native who worked as a tax attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice under Attorney General Robert Kennedy, has been a charismatic figure in the boxing industry for nearly four decades.

His career was blemished in 2000 when he admitted to making an improper $100,000 payment to International Boxing Federation founder Bob Lee to sanction the April 22, 1995, fight between George Foreman, then the heavyweight champion, and Axel Schulz in Atlantic City.

Arum could not be reached for comment, but some boxing insiders recalled one of his famous lines from the early 1980s: "Yesterday I was lying. Today I am telling the truth."

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 16 Jan 2004, 09:31

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2 ... bons_x.htm

Arum just fired his matchmaker, sounds like the net might be closing in on Bob.

shakermaker · Post by **shakermaker** » 16 Jan 2004, 09:44

I'm shocked that it was bent.......I thought it was just poor judging.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Jan 2004, 09:46

There is no evidence as yet that the fight probe really is into the Mosley v DLH bout, in fact the evidence so far suggests that it isn't, it may just have been a sexy headline which was released by the FBI.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 16 Jan 2004, 11:21

The headline was most probably bullshit.

What I still fail to understand is why Bob Arum would screw his own cash cow in DLH?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Jan 2004, 11:26

I can think of reasons to be honest, but I doubt it's the case.....

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 16 Jan 2004, 11:33

Well enlighten me via PM.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Jan 2004, 11:45

Ok I lied, no I didn't really, none of them were that plausible to be honest. One of them would be casino money, but apparently the odds weren't that heavily in DLH's favour by fight time, and I don't know there would have been enough incentive money from the casino's to buy Arum into screwing his own fighter.

The other was to screw DLH because DLH was going to leave and was setting up a rival promotional company, but the longer DLH keeps fighting, the less likely he throws his energy into promotions.

The other is that if Mosley lost, he was finished, which down the line means that another lucrative matchup with DLH might not be on the cards. Even though DLH has lost twice, there is still a call for another fight between them, and therefore more money in the machine.

All very unlikely

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 16 Jan 2004, 12:32

According to Mike Katz it's the ODH / Campas fight that the feds are really interested in.
It ended at 2:54 round 7, and the over-under betting line was round 7 @ 1:30. Apparently a lot of Oscar's people bet the over...hmmmmm

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Jan 2004, 12:55

Now that DOES make sense, especially as Oscar didn't really look to be trying all that hard in that fight, and Campas wasn't really coming to win.

I would suspect that most of these 'fixes' would be in circumstances like that where there is money to be made by either the casinos or betting syndicates. They are the easiest things to arrange.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 16 Jan 2004, 13:05

Does look a bit dodgy, but can you imagine how much you'd have to pay a guy like ODH to pull something like that? Just wouldn't be worth it for a man who makes millions, no matter who he fights.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Jan 2004, 13:11

fornicate all if they are DLH's people betting on the round, depends whether Oscar had any moral objections to making his people and himself lots of money.

the only man you really need to buy off is Campas, though of course this is all conjecture until something is proven.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 16 Jan 2004, 13:17

Well McDonell, even you're arguments sound ok to me.

So the Campas one is probably right on the money. (Pun fully intended.)

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Jan 2004, 13:23

Out of interest.....how come you always call me McDonnell, it's like being back at school again....

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 16 Jan 2004, 13:25

hows MR McDonell then

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Jan 2004, 13:58

Two n's mate two n's if you please....

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 16 Jan 2004, 20:37

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Out of interest.....how come you always call me McDonnell, it's like being back at school again....

You ever played Metal Gear Solid?

Ulysses · Post by **Ulysses** » 17 Jan 2004, 07:44

I doubt very much that De La Hoya himself would've been involved with anything untoward. It's all very hard to believe, time will tell...