Witter interview in The Times

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 31 Dec 2007, 05:05

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 107749.ece

Some odd comments by Witter, he's looking as if he's given up on getting Ricky in the Ring, but there was not much mention of what he's going to do instead. His career seems to be drifting at the moment

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 31 Dec 2007, 06:37

I rate Junior, but disappointed here to see him play the race card - his lack of opportunities has been almost solely down to his early career and particularly his pitiful showing against Judah, not his colour.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 31 Dec 2007, 06:44

Junior's a dedicated man. He is being ducked, and this is why his career isn't going as it should.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 31 Dec 2007, 06:48

Autobarn wrote:Junior's a dedicated man. He is being ducked, and this is why his career isn't going as it should.

He is being ducked for sure, its blatant.

Haye and Macca are setting the example.

Come on Ricky, if you are a warrior you will fight Witter.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Dec 2007, 07:00

I agree.

Now that Hatton has cashed in his chips and fought and lost to mayweather, he should be concerning himself with fighting his rivals at 140. Witter is now the only other person in the division who can challenge his claim to being the top 140 lber.

I suspect though Ricky will campaign at 147 again and lose again.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 31 Dec 2007, 07:05

Autobarn wrote:Junior's a dedicated man. He is being ducked, and this is why his career isn't going as it should.

Yes he is being avoided, but he should also be fighting more than twice in a year, even if its not against the top names. His last 2 promotions have been nothing short of farcical in the run-up to them.
I don't know how long he has left with his promoter, but could be time for a change.

Not even a mention of who his next opponent is going to be, his promoter is silent in that direction as well.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 31 Dec 2007, 07:56

It is true that part of ricky's popularity is because he is a white one of the lads. Interesting interview, he was making refferences to fighting Paulie Malignaggi, I'd like to see that one.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:10

josh fg wrote:It is true that part of ricky's popularity is because he is a white one of the lads. Interesting interview, he was making refferences to fighting Paulie Malignaggi, I'd like to see that one.

I don't dispute that, but what I object to is Witter's incorrect infererence that he is therefore suffering because of his colour, rather than accepting that it's largely down to his style. I don't recall being black harming Benn or Eubank's careers or support in the UK.
Hatton should definitely face him though and Ricky is losing face by not doing so.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:16

I suppose though if Eubank had been deprived of big fights, like Benn and Watson, then it would have taken him much longer to catch on. Though obviously, Eubank had a lot of gimmicks and self publicity, while Witter doesn't really have a persona outside the ropes.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:27

Autobarn wrote:I suppose though if Eubank had been deprived of big fights, like Benn and Watson, then it would have taken him much longer to catch on. Though obviously, Eubank had a lot of gimmicks and self publicity, while Witter doesn't really have a persona outside the ropes.

I agree completely - it's the lack of personna that's cost him, not his colour!

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:29

Deserter wrote:
josh fg wrote:It is true that part of ricky's popularity is because he is a white one of the lads. Interesting interview, he was making refferences to fighting Paulie Malignaggi, I'd like to see that one.
I don't dispute that, but what I object to is Witter's incorrect infererence that he is therefore suffering because of his colour, rather than accepting that it's largely down to his style. I don't recall being black harming Benn or Eubank's careers or support in the UK.
Hatton should definitely face him though and Ricky is losing face by not doing so.

It does have something to do with his colour, only a white idiot would say otherwise and pretent boxing especially the British game does still not have racism....IMO Hatton has been proved to be so aswell by his accosiation with Bernard Manning, his charator assasination of PBF and his treatment of Jnr Witter.

Black people in genaral have to try twice as hard in anything to get their dues, take PBF for example...then we have the likes of a limited BUM club fighter like Hatton that hand picked everyone of his opponants yet gets praised by the f^ggot media, built up & still congratulated after putting up a PATHETIC performance against Mayweather.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:34

I agree, i dont like Witter cos he is black......

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:37

thepocketrocket wrote:I agree, i dont like Witter cos he is black......

TOOL.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:38

StepinFetchit wrote:
Deserter wrote:
josh fg wrote:It is true that part of ricky's popularity is because he is a white one of the lads. Interesting interview, he was making refferences to fighting Paulie Malignaggi, I'd like to see that one.
I don't dispute that, but what I object to is Witter's incorrect infererence that he is therefore suffering because of his colour, rather than accepting that it's largely down to his style. I don't recall being black harming Benn or Eubank's careers or support in the UK.
Hatton should definitely face him though and Ricky is losing face by not doing so.
It does have something to do with his colour, only a white idiot would say otherwise and pretent boxing especially the British game does still not have racism....IMO Hatton has been proved to be so aswell by his accosiation with Bernard Manning, his charator assasination of PBF and his treatment of Jnr Witter.

Black people in genaral have to try twice as hard in anything to get their dues, take PBF for example...then we have the likes of a limited BUM club fighter like Hatton that hand picked everyone of his opponants yet gets praised by the f^ggot media, built up & still congratulated after putting up a PATHETIC performance against Mayweather.

What a pathetic attempt at riling us.

Frank Bruno, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, three of the msot popular and highest earning fighters in British Boxing. Are they all white then?

Mayweather has earned a fortune from boxing, despite not even having much of a following, and banging on about 'slave wages.' How exactly has he had it hard?

The media were nothing to do with Hatton's success, he was packing them in at the M.E.N arena long before the mainstream media even knew who he was over here.

As usual, you are talking shite.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:42

just check 4 of the most popular fighters of all time worldwide, Ali, Leonard, Louis & Robinson - no colour bias there.

Hatton is starting to grate when he comes out with a really piss poor excuse like "Witter dis-respected me" - And Floyd did not??

All about money and risk, and Ricky knows he'd likely have a nightmare with Witter, with a good chance of being beaten.

It's a 50/50 fight though, and Hatton should step up and take it.

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:51

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
StepinFetchit wrote:
Deserter wrote: I don't dispute that, but what I object to is Witter's incorrect infererence that he is therefore suffering because of his colour, rather than accepting that it's largely down to his style. I don't recall being black harming Benn or Eubank's careers or support in the UK.
Hatton should definitely face him though and Ricky is losing face by not doing so.
It does have something to do with his colour, only a white idiot would say otherwise and pretent boxing especially the British game does still not have racism....IMO Hatton has been proved to be so aswell by his accosiation with Bernard Manning, his charator assasination of PBF and his treatment of Jnr Witter.

Black people in genaral have to try twice as hard in anything to get their dues, take PBF for example...then we have the likes of a limited BUM club fighter like Hatton that hand picked everyone of his opponants yet gets praised by the f^ggot media, built up & still congratulated after putting up a PATHETIC performance against Mayweather.
What a pathetic attempt at riling us.

Frank Bruno, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, three of the msot popular and highest earning fighters in British Boxing. Are they all white then?

Mayweather has earned a fortune from boxing, despite not even having much of a following, and banging on about 'slave wages.' How exactly has he had it hard?

The media were nothing to do with Hatton's success, he was packing them in at the M.E.N arena long before the mainstream media even knew who he was over here.

As usual, you are talking shite.

Who is "US" BOY?

You are the sh!t talker, how come before PBF beat Hatton he was getting all kinds of critisism from the media and internet users even though he had already won numerous titles at numerous weight divisions & already beaton better opponants that Hatton?...now all those c0c sucker have been forced to crawl back under a rock.

If Hatton would have beat PBF he would have been hailed as the second comming of Christ.

The media and all British boxing promoters are WHITE so they are always going to have a bias towards a white fighter and be looking for "The great white hope" of each weight division.

Bruno was media friendly, Benn & Eubank were both black against each other so that was acceptable.

The Hatton & Witter thing is on OBVIOUS rasist issue, u fags can gloss over it anyway u want, but to me and any none conformist none white person it is that way, i know because i live in that World so don't tell me what is and isn't so BOY.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:55

Racism is part of society of course it permeates all of society including the boxing industry including who peoples favorite fighters are. I think that Witters style is partly because he is not as marketable. Just like Eastman who was mad as a hatter didn't have a following and that also wasn't for lack of ability or personality.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 31 Dec 2007, 08:57

StepinFetchit wrote:
Deserter wrote:
josh fg wrote:It is true that part of ricky's popularity is because he is a white one of the lads. Interesting interview, he was making refferences to fighting Paulie Malignaggi, I'd like to see that one.
I don't dispute that, but what I object to is Witter's incorrect infererence that he is therefore suffering because of his colour, rather than accepting that it's largely down to his style. I don't recall being black harming Benn or Eubank's careers or support in the UK.
Hatton should definitely face him though and Ricky is losing face by not doing so.
It does have something to do with his colour, only a white idiot would say otherwise and pretent boxing especially the British game does still not have racism....IMO Hatton has been proved to be so aswell by his accosiation with Bernard Manning, his charator assasination of PBF and his treatment of Jnr Witter.

Black people in genaral have to try twice as hard in anything to get their dues, take PBF for example...then we have the likes of a limited BUM club fighter like Hatton that hand picked everyone of his opponants yet gets praised by the f^ggot media, built up & still congratulated after putting up a PATHETIC performance against Mayweather.

I'll ignore your obvious wind-up attempts as they are as pitiful as ever and James has already put you firmly in place, but I will try and address one of your points.
I fully accept that boxing in the UK will have elements of casual racism - it's no different from 'mainstream society' in that respect. However, I stand by my previous point that in Witter's specific case, he has not been held back by this.
I think Junior's a good fighter, but he's always had a hint of bitterness about him, and his inability to accept that the main reason he hasn't got a strong following is due in part to his previous performances etc riles me.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 31 Dec 2007, 09:01

StepinFetchit wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
StepinFetchit wrote: It does have something to do with his colour, only a white idiot would say otherwise and pretent boxing especially the British game does still not have racism....IMO Hatton has been proved to be so aswell by his accosiation with Bernard Manning, his charator assasination of PBF and his treatment of Jnr Witter.

Black people in genaral have to try twice as hard in anything to get their dues, take PBF for example...then we have the likes of a limited BUM club fighter like Hatton that hand picked everyone of his opponants yet gets praised by the f^ggot media, built up & still congratulated after putting up a PATHETIC performance against Mayweather.
What a pathetic attempt at riling us.

Frank Bruno, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, three of the msot popular and highest earning fighters in British Boxing. Are they all white then?

Mayweather has earned a fortune from boxing, despite not even having much of a following, and banging on about 'slave wages.' How exactly has he had it hard?

The media were nothing to do with Hatton's success, he was packing them in at the M.E.N arena long before the mainstream media even knew who he was over here.

As usual, you are talking shite.
Who is "US" BOY?

You are the sh!t talker, how come before PBF beat Hatton he was getting all kinds of critisism from the media and internet users even though he had already won numerous titles at numerous weight divisions & already beaton better opponants that Hatton?...now all those c0c sucker have been forced to crawl back under a rock.

If Hatton would have beat PBF he would have been hailed as the second comming of Christ.

The media and all British boxing promoters are WHITE so they are always going to have a bias towards a white fighter and be looking for "The great white hope" of each weight division.

Bruno was media friendly, Benn & Eubank were both black against each other so that was acceptable.

The Hatton & Witter thing is on OBVIOUS rasist issue, u fags can gloss over it anyway u want, but to me and any none conformist none white person it is that way, i know because i live in that World so don't tell me what is and isn't so BOY.

Benn and Eubank were popular independently of one another, not just purely in the context of fighting each other. Eubank was the popular favourite when facing a white British fighter like Gary Stretch and the same applied to Benn when facing the likes of Lou Gent.

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 31 Dec 2007, 09:01

josh fg wrote:Racism is part of society of course it permeates all of society including the boxing industry including who peoples favorite fighters are. I think that Witters style is partly because he is not as marketable. Just like Eastman who was mad as a hatter didn't have a following and that also wasn't for lack of ability or personality.

As long as people admit it exists i don't have a problem, it's fagz like Trevor McDonnel that try and make out otherwise that need their head caved in.

Fook all the long talk about who is the nicer guy, WILL OR WILL NOT THIS FIGHT NOW SELL OUT A MAJOR STADIUM IN THE U.K?.......i'll fookin be there and i only usually go to a couple of shows a year.

Lets just get Witter & Hatton in the ring and lets see whats what.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 31 Dec 2007, 09:04

Hatton disgusts me.

Life is hard and he 'enjoys watching someone suirm and make no money'?

99% of his fans HAVE NO MONEY but spend it travellinf round the world to watch him?

Must be great to be a 'man of the people'.

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 31 Dec 2007, 09:05

Deserter wrote:
StepinFetchit wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote: What a pathetic attempt at riling us.

Frank Bruno, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, three of the msot popular and highest earning fighters in British Boxing. Are they all white then?

Mayweather has earned a fortune from boxing, despite not even having much of a following, and banging on about 'slave wages.' How exactly has he had it hard?

The media were nothing to do with Hatton's success, he was packing them in at the M.E.N arena long before the mainstream media even knew who he was over here.

As usual, you are talking shite.
Who is "US" BOY?

You are the sh!t talker, how come before PBF beat Hatton he was getting all kinds of critisism from the media and internet users even though he had already won numerous titles at numerous weight divisions & already beaton better opponants that Hatton?...now all those c0c sucker have been forced to crawl back under a rock.

If Hatton would have beat PBF he would have been hailed as the second comming of Christ.

The media and all British boxing promoters are WHITE so they are always going to have a bias towards a white fighter and be looking for "The great white hope" of each weight division.

Bruno was media friendly, Benn & Eubank were both black against each other so that was acceptable.

The Hatton & Witter thing is on OBVIOUS rasist issue, u fags can gloss over it anyway u want, but to me and any none conformist none white person it is that way, i know because i live in that World so don't tell me what is and isn't so BOY.
Benn and Eubank were popular independently of one another, not just purely in the context of fighting each other. Eubank was the popular favourite when facing a white British fighter like Gary Stretch and the same applied to Benn when facing the likes of Lou Gent.

No, Eubank was the villain, i remember the hype surrounding that BUM/Gay Model Gary Stretch.....if Stretch would have beat Eubank he would have got knighted.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Dec 2007, 09:05

StepinFetchit wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
StepinFetchit wrote: It does have something to do with his colour, only a white idiot would say otherwise and pretent boxing especially the British game does still not have racism....IMO Hatton has been proved to be so aswell by his accosiation with Bernard Manning, his charator assasination of PBF and his treatment of Jnr Witter.

Black people in genaral have to try twice as hard in anything to get their dues, take PBF for example...then we have the likes of a limited BUM club fighter like Hatton that hand picked everyone of his opponants yet gets praised by the f^ggot media, built up & still congratulated after putting up a PATHETIC performance against Mayweather.
What a pathetic attempt at riling us.

Frank Bruno, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, three of the msot popular and highest earning fighters in British Boxing. Are they all white then?

Mayweather has earned a fortune from boxing, despite not even having much of a following, and banging on about 'slave wages.' How exactly has he had it hard?

The media were nothing to do with Hatton's success, he was packing them in at the M.E.N arena long before the mainstream media even knew who he was over here.

As usual, you are talking shite.
Who is "US" BOY?

You are the sh!t talker, how come before PBF beat Hatton he was getting all kinds of critisism from the media and internet users even though he had already won numerous titles at numerous weight divisions & already beaton better opponants that Hatton?...now all those c0c sucker have been forced to crawl back under a rock.

If Hatton would have beat PBF he would have been hailed as the second comming of Christ.

The media and all British boxing promoters are WHITE so they are always going to have a bias towards a white fighter and be looking for "The great white hope" of each weight division.

Bruno was media friendly, Benn & Eubank were both black against each other so that was acceptable.

The Hatton & Witter thing is on OBVIOUS rasist issue, u fags can gloss over it anyway u want, but to me and any none conformist none white person it is that way, i know because i live in that World so don't tell me what is and isn't so BOY.

US is everyone on here you are accusing of racism. The 'white idiots' you refer to.

Who you calling boy you retard? Intellectually I'm your DADDY.

The lower weight divisions are generally more heavily populated with caucasian fighters in any case, so why would anyone look for a 'great white hope?'

Mayweather got criticism because he is unpopular, it's nothing to do with his colour. He cultivates a crass and vulgar public image which is designed to outrage blue-collar working class people, it's all an act, but it's hardly surprising then that he has never been well liked by mainstream media or lower-wage earning boxing fans.

You know nothing about the world I live in, my background or anything else about me. You are in no position to lecture me about racism.

Benn and Eubank didn't just fight one another, they also fought plenty of white opponents.

Frank Bruno was media friendly, that's true, so what? He is still black. Surely if the media was so racist, they would never have built him up? Mayweather is black and not media friendly, and is not popular, hmm, perhaps it's public persona that dictates media perception then?

Don King is one of two of the biggest boxing promoters in the world pal. Go figure. There are and have been black boxing promoters in the UK also, they are not that big time, but then the boxing scene here is not big enough for many big time promoters, one or two at most.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 31 Dec 2007, 09:07

DG. wrote:Hatton disgusts me.

Life is hard and he 'enjoys watching someone suirm and make no money'?

99% of his fans HAVE NO MONEY but spend it travellinf round the world to watch him?

Must be great to be a 'man of the people'.

I must admit that at the risk of giving too much exposure to Spud, his highlighting of the tickets situation in Vegas left a bad taste in my mouth with regards to the Hattons... and if that quote is correct it's even more unpleasant. If he doesn't fight Witter he will severely tarnish his legacy IMO.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Dec 2007, 09:09

StepinFetchit wrote:
Deserter wrote:
StepinFetchit wrote: Who is "US" BOY?

You are the sh!t talker, how come before PBF beat Hatton he was getting all kinds of critisism from the media and internet users even though he had already won numerous titles at numerous weight divisions & already beaton better opponants that Hatton?...now all those c0c sucker have been forced to crawl back under a rock.

If Hatton would have beat PBF he would have been hailed as the second comming of Christ.

The media and all British boxing promoters are WHITE so they are always going to have a bias towards a white fighter and be looking for "The great white hope" of each weight division.

Bruno was media friendly, Benn & Eubank were both black against each other so that was acceptable.

The Hatton & Witter thing is on OBVIOUS rasist issue, u fags can gloss over it anyway u want, but to me and any none conformist none white person it is that way, i know because i live in that World so don't tell me what is and isn't so BOY.
Benn and Eubank were popular independently of one another, not just purely in the context of fighting each other. Eubank was the popular favourite when facing a white British fighter like Gary Stretch and the same applied to Benn when facing the likes of Lou Gent.
No, Eubank was the villain, i remember the hype surrounding that BUM/Gay Model Gary Stretch.....if Stretch would have beat Eubank he would have got knighted.

Villain or not, people turned out in droves to watch Eubank.

Stretch was never popular except with the ladies.

Lou Gent was a complete nonentity.

Again, you talk shite to try and prop up your piss-weak arguments.