Your favorite slugfest

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 31 Dec 2007, 13:28

How about Bruce Curry vs Monroe Brooks

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 31 Dec 2007, 13:37

Broncano wrote:How about Bruce Curry vs Monroe Brooks

Jesus yes!.... hell of a fight! and that ko was one for the books, Brooks went down like he'd been shot!. Curry was said to be never the same fighter after that. Currys fights with Benitez and Hearns were great wars too...
How about Efren Torres vs Chartai Chinoi 1.... another little guy slugfest!...
Frank Fletcher vs just about anyone.... but especially Earnie Singletary and Caveman Lee....
and Lee was in another good one with John Locicero....
Chacon vs Frias was another good one.... Chacon was in so many great fights, too many sadly....
Chacon vs Lopez is one to watch and see Bobby close to his best and actually slipping shots....

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 31 Dec 2007, 16:43

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I would actually be more comfortable with a 10-8 round for Lyle. When you think about it, outside of the knockdowns it was a reasonably close round, probably an edge to Foreman when he had Lyle trapped on the ropes with a minute remaining --- but I'm comfortable calling it more or less an even round before you factor in the knockdowns, consider - it's 10-8 Lyle, then level after Foreman drops him, & bring it back down to 10-8 following another Lyle knockdown, factoring in the, "must" part as BoxBuzz said. Just my take.

Using that card, I had it 38-37 for Lyle after four rounds.

Hmmm, I think you are right about the 10-8 4th round for Lyle. I guess that is why I am not a judge.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 31 Dec 2007, 17:35

That first knockdown was a strange one, though. It didn't look like Foreman was hit with anything big, & at the moment he went down he didn't appear to be hurt with any punches. But then he gets back up & as the ref gives him the standing count, he has a pretty concerned look on his face, like his confidence has been sapped.

I love the shot of Foreman at the end of the first round, too. He's just been holding on, having been seriously hurt at the end of the round. He's sitting on his stool & he leans forward, staring fixedly at Lyle & chewing his gumshield. It looks as though he's thinking, "I've got my work cut-out for me here."

Doubtful he had any idea what he was actually in for!

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 01 Jan 2008, 07:34

Thomas Hearns -v- Juan Roldan in 1987!

What a fight that was.

You couldn't tell which way it was going to go, until Tommy iced Juan with 2 vaunted Right hands!!!!!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Jan 2008, 08:06

How about Hearns vs Barkley 1 and 2... both brutally exciting fights... and one other that hasnt been mentioned I think is Duran vs Barkley... great fight and total masterclass by Duran in infighting and 'oldmanning' a bigger, younger and stronger opponent....

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 01 Jan 2008, 17:02

Hagler-Hearns
Hagler-Mugabi
Barkley-Hearns
Benn-Barkley
Moorer-Cooper
Eubank-Benn 1
Benn-McClellan (apart from the finale, still have to list it)
Morales-Barrera 1
Pavlik-Miranda (best fight of 2007 i saw)

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 02 Jan 2008, 06:32

Broncano wrote:How about Bruce Curry vs Monroe Brooks

I remember that one...what a fight that was.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 02 Jan 2008, 09:10

Corrales Vs Castillo
Ward Vs Gatti
Katsidis Vs Earl

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 02 Jan 2008, 10:05

hamed vs kelly while it lasted
hamed vs sanchez was also very entertaining

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 02 Jan 2008, 10:10

Chacon might be the king of slugfests. His 2nd fight with Boza-Edwards is one of the most underrated fights ever.
Saad Muhammad had a number of great fights as well. In particular, the 2nd Lopez fight. It was brutal.
Silkov also mentioned the 2nd Johnson-Saad Muhammad fight, which you don't hear a lot about. It was pretty good as well.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 03 Jan 2008, 01:38

Just this week they showed Matthew Franklin vs Marvin Johnson I in ESPN en Espanol.
While not precisely on the top 10 slugfest list what a classic american style elbow-to elbow wonderful match that was!

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 08 Jan 2008, 21:43

Ok I'm not sure if this was mentioned but it is a modern day classic and it may rate as the last truly great heavyweight fight...(can someone name one more recent that can compare?)

Ike Vs Tua....It's like Foreman and Lyle on bennies... except nobody's goin down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQStB2IRWOo

Any thoughts on how this might have ended if it went 15?

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 08 Jan 2008, 22:36

I purchased Ibeabuchi-Tua along with a couple of other fights (I know there's YouTube nowadays, but c'mon, YouTube isn't something you can dust off & show your kids one day) &, as I said in the Legendary Let-Downs thread, this one I just do not get the excitement about.

Classic slugfest!? One for the ages!? Foreman-Lyle minus the knockdowns!? I'm just curious as someone who felt this was a terrible let-down given the hype, what is it about this one precisely that floats so many fight fans' boat?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Jan 2008, 07:58

Well if pace is any criteria it was a throwback to a better time. More punches exchanged than any other modern day HW fight and lots of see sawing....lot of pretty good punches landed and very little retreating going on.

Either of them on that night would have prevailed over just about any other HW at the time other than possibly Lewis. They both showed determination, energy and great chins.

Some folks thought Tua won so even the decision was controversial.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 09 Jan 2008, 09:15

Two of my faves:

Moorer vs Bert Cooper
Moorer vs Alex Stewart

When Moorer moved up from the heavy limit I thought he was going to be a monster - he delivered these two classic slugfest before getting fat and sleep walking through the remainder of his career. Shame.

Tomato-Can · Post by **Tomato-Can** » 09 Jan 2008, 11:09

silkov wrote:
Broncano wrote:How about Bruce Curry vs Monroe Brooks
Jesus yes!.... hell of a fight! and that ko was one for the books, Brooks went down like he'd been shot!. Curry was said to be never the same fighter after that. Currys fights with Benitez and Hearns were great wars too...
How about Efren Torres vs Chartai Chinoi 1.... another little guy slugfest!...
Frank Fletcher vs just about anyone.... but especially Earnie Singletary and Caveman Lee....
and Lee was in another good one with John Locicero....
Chacon vs Frias was another good one.... Chacon was in so many great fights, too many sadly....
Chacon vs Lopez is one to watch and see Bobby close to his best and actually slipping shots....

Good on you for mentioning the Caveman Lee - John Locicero slugfest. An under appreciated classic!

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 09 Jan 2008, 11:38

ESPN Classic recently showed Doug Jones-Zora Folley II which was a helluva slugfest. Great fight.

Some of my other favorites: Chuvalo-Patterson, Gonzales-Carbajal, Morales-Pacquao I, Saad-Lopez both fights, Baer-Nova I (you want to see two hard-punching Heavyweights keep up a fast pace, this puts Tua-Ike to shame), Ward-Augustus

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Jan 2008, 13:51

dempseyfire wrote:ESPN Classic recently showed Doug Jones-Zora Folley II which was a helluva slugfest. Great fight.

Some of my other favorites: Chuvalo-Patterson, Gonzales-Carbajal, Morales-Pacquao I, Saad-Lopez both fights, Baer-Nova I (you want to see two hard-punching Heavyweights keep up a fast pace, this puts Tua-Ike to shame), Ward-Augustus

Not a fair comparison as you are harkening back to that "better era" of which I mentioned. That is one of the most amazing things in sports.....if you are as old as I am you have witnessed the average HW fight "slow down". These fights these days are like cold mollases covered versions of the old HW fights. I thought Tua-Ike was a rare exception.

What the hell has slowed these guys down so much? Is it the whale blubber they are sporting these days?

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 09 Jan 2008, 13:53

Tomato-Can wrote:
silkov wrote:
Broncano wrote:How about Bruce Curry vs Monroe Brooks
Jesus yes!.... hell of a fight! and that ko was one for the books, Brooks went down like he'd been shot!. Curry was said to be never the same fighter after that. Currys fights with Benitez and Hearns were great wars too...
How about Efren Torres vs Chartai Chinoi 1.... another little guy slugfest!...
Frank Fletcher vs just about anyone.... but especially Earnie Singletary and Caveman Lee....
and Lee was in another good one with John Locicero....
Chacon vs Frias was another good one.... Chacon was in so many great fights, too many sadly....
Chacon vs Lopez is one to watch and see Bobby close to his best and actually slipping shots....

Good on you for mentioning the Caveman Lee - John Locicero slugfest. An under appreciated classic!

Looked what the cat dragged in....

Welcome back dear old pal

Eventhough this place has changed wuite a bit since your departure you'll find out that in reality is still the same old madhouse. We even have our old friend Paret (spelled backwards) running the halls causing havoc from time to time. He goes by a different name though.

P.S: Washington state fighters are still 0 and 3 against Peruvians

BigJuicyHog · Post by **BigJuicyHog** » 09 Jan 2008, 14:10

Gatti-Ward 1
Corrales- Castillo 1
and one not alot of people probably saw was Elvir Muriqui-Sam Ahmad. There were a ton of KDs.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 09 Jan 2008, 14:37

BoxBuzz wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:ESPN Classic recently showed Doug Jones-Zora Folley II which was a helluva slugfest. Great fight.

Some of my other favorites: Chuvalo-Patterson, Gonzales-Carbajal, Morales-Pacquao I, Saad-Lopez both fights, Baer-Nova I (you want to see two hard-punching Heavyweights keep up a fast pace, this puts Tua-Ike to shame), Ward-Augustus
Not a fair comparison as you are harkening back to that "better era" of which I mentioned. That is one of the most amazing things in sports.....if you are as old as I am you have witnessed the average HW fight "slow down". These fights these days are like cold mollases covered versions of the old HW fights. I thought Tua-Ike was a rare exception.

What the hell has slowed these guys down so much? Is it the whale blubber they are sporting these days?

Poor conditioning and excess weight. One thing some people don't understand is that looking solid and muscular does not equate to being in shape . . .Peter, Rahman, McCline, Maskaev, Mercer, Bruno etc. are all fighters who in many fights didn't look "fat" but they were in the vicinity of being 30-40 lbs overweight for a professional prizefighter. Max Baer was a big man . . over 80' reach, shade under 6'3, shoulders as wide as a dining table. But he stayed in the 210-220 range b/c that enabled him to go a hard 12-15 rounds. If he had cut down on his roadwork, lifted weights, and come in at a bloated 240, it wouldn't have helped him in the slightest, not in terms of power, strength, anything. Just quicker lactic acid buildup and him gasping for air by the 5th.

I still believe no Heavyweight should be weighing over 225 lbs unless they are 6'5 or taller.

Tomato-Can · Post by **Tomato-Can** » 10 Jan 2008, 05:15

Broncano wrote:
Tomato-Can wrote:
silkov wrote: Jesus yes!.... hell of a fight! and that ko was one for the books, Brooks went down like he'd been shot!. Curry was said to be never the same fighter after that. Currys fights with Benitez and Hearns were great wars too...
How about Efren Torres vs Chartai Chinoi 1.... another little guy slugfest!...
Frank Fletcher vs just about anyone.... but especially Earnie Singletary and Caveman Lee....
and Lee was in another good one with John Locicero....
Chacon vs Frias was another good one.... Chacon was in so many great fights, too many sadly....
Chacon vs Lopez is one to watch and see Bobby close to his best and actually slipping shots....

Good on you for mentioning the Caveman Lee - John Locicero slugfest. An under appreciated classic!
Looked what the cat dragged in....

Welcome back dear old pal

Eventhough this place has changed wuite a bit since your departure you'll find out that in reality is still the same old madhouse. We even have our old friend Paret (spelled backwards) running the halls causing havoc from time to time. He goes by a different name though.

P.S: Washington state fighters are still 0 and 3 against Peruvians

I was going to say how happy I am to be in contact with you again but you had to bring up my states record against Peruvians.

Some sores just never heal.........Speaking of old sores, I'm saddened to hear about Benny. Oh well. I guess you got to take the bad with the good.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 10 Jan 2008, 08:08

dempseyfire wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:ESPN Classic recently showed Doug Jones-Zora Folley II which was a helluva slugfest. Great fight.

Some of my other favorites: Chuvalo-Patterson, Gonzales-Carbajal, Morales-Pacquao I, Saad-Lopez both fights, Baer-Nova I (you want to see two hard-punching Heavyweights keep up a fast pace, this puts Tua-Ike to shame), Ward-Augustus
Not a fair comparison as you are harkening back to that "better era" of which I mentioned. That is one of the most amazing things in sports.....if you are as old as I am you have witnessed the average HW fight "slow down". These fights these days are like cold mollases covered versions of the old HW fights. I thought Tua-Ike was a rare exception.

What the hell has slowed these guys down so much? Is it the whale blubber they are sporting these days?
Poor conditioning and excess weight. One thing some people don't understand is that looking solid and muscular does not equate to being in shape . . .Peter, Rahman, McCline, Maskaev, Mercer, Bruno etc. are all fighters who in many fights didn't look "fat" but they were in the vicinity of being 30-40 lbs overweight for a professional prizefighter. Max Baer was a big man . . over 80' reach, shade under 6'3, shoulders as wide as a dining table. But he stayed in the 210-220 range b/c that enabled him to go a hard 12-15 rounds. If he had cut down on his roadwork, lifted weights, and come in at a bloated 240, it wouldn't have helped him in the slightest, not in terms of power, strength, anything. Just quicker lactic acid buildup and him gasping for air by the 5th.

I still believe no Heavyweight should be weighing over 225 lbs unless they are 6'5 or taller.

that plus it s now "exeptable"for heavyweights to stand and hug or stand a think about throwing a punch for a few rounds and then throw a couple

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 10 Jan 2008, 09:58

Terry D wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:ESPN Classic recently showed Doug Jones-Zora Folley II which was a helluva slugfest. Great fight.

Some of my other favorites: Chuvalo-Patterson, Gonzales-Carbajal, Morales-Pacquao I, Saad-Lopez both fights, Baer-Nova I (you want to see two hard-punching Heavyweights keep up a fast pace, this puts Tua-Ike to shame), Ward-Augustus
Great battle. Doug looked done early but built-up steam as the fight went on. Battle of the right hands but Jones set-up the final right with a sneak left hook.

Great to see two heavweights going shoulder-to-shoulder and fighting at a brisk pace, plus it is surprising, given the nature of Zora's losses to this point, that Zora went the distance with Liston.

I think you're thinking of Machen. Folley was knocked out in 3 rounds by Sonny.