Enzo vs 'Enry

Emule · Post by **Emule** » 02 Jan 2008, 10:26

This is going to seem a weird one but....

The lads in my pub are all excited beyond belief about the Enzo Mac vs Haye fight.

For what it's worth the split is 50-50 as to who will win.

Anyway one of the guys pipes up with a classic: "Enzo is mustard, he would have knocked out Henry Cooper in a round."

This might be a little strong but it got me think how WOULD Enzo have fared with Cooper remembering they would be able to make catchweight if the contest was 'time for time' today?

chris s · Post by **chris s** » 02 Jan 2008, 10:29

Good thread.

I am with Enzo inside three rounds.

We all know about Cooper against Clay, but what about the journeymen he lost to

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 02 Jan 2008, 10:34

chris s wrote:Good thread.

I am with Enzo inside three rounds.

We all know about Cooper against Clay, but what about the journeymen he lost to

What was Cooper's weight at the time? Wasn't Clay about 200-210 then?

Mario · Post by **Mario** » 02 Jan 2008, 10:53

I'd take Enzo for an early stoppage. He regularly weighs more than Cooper ever did in his whole career too.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 02 Jan 2008, 10:56

Enzo may stop him but I don't think he was a better puncher than the likes of Patterson or Ali. No way does it end in 3 rounds imo and Cooper is better than anyone Enzo has shared a ring with.

chris s · Post by **chris s** » 02 Jan 2008, 11:00

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
chris s wrote:Good thread.

I am with Enzo inside three rounds.

We all know about Cooper against Clay, but what about the journeymen he lost to
What was Cooper's weight at the time? Wasn't Clay about 200-210 then?

Henry never weighed much more than 14 stone in his career, and I'm sure he never got near 15 stone

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 02 Jan 2008, 11:06

We could find out soon, Enry would have no trouble at all getting a WBO rating, and I'm sure Frank would been keen to make this historic match at the Millenium, as Enzo's comeback fight after Haye.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 02 Jan 2008, 12:17

MightyWarrior wrote:We could find out soon, Enry would have no trouble at all getting a WBO rating, and I'm sure Frank would been keen to make this historic match at the Millenium, as Enzo's comeback fight after Haye.

Ha ha, very true

Enzo would probably TKO him or cut him to ribbons, from what I've seen of Cooper he was vastly overrated. Just a big hook.....

The nation took him to their hearts because he was plucky, just like Frank Bruno, Eddie the Eagle and even Eric the feckin Eel....

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 02 Jan 2008, 13:06

Cooper lost out to some journyman but dominated the british scene for years. He also held the European and commonwealth titles at variouse points in his carrer, I think in our days he would have been likly to have won one of the lesser world titles (WBU, WBO) I think he would just have too much gial when in a crisis for Mac so would come through some bad moments to win by a KO 8 or 9

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 02 Jan 2008, 13:36

No way Enzo would have stopped Cooper, quite the reverse.

Cooper would have sparked him out. Henrys level of opposition was far far superior

For that matter Henry would have done Haye as well. Probably a late knockout. Henry had tremendous stamina. Cooper hit fcuking hard, and remember Haye and Macca are both Chinny.

Cooper was extremely strong for his size and was a very dirty fighter. He would have roughed Haye and Macca up.

Cooper is underrated if anything.

How much have you seen of Cooper, Captain Hook?

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 02 Jan 2008, 13:49

KO Artist wrote:No way Enzo would have stopped Cooper, quite the reverse.

Cooper would have sparked him out. Henrys level of opposition was far far superior

For that matter Henry would have done Haye as well. Probably a late knockout. Henry had tremendous stamina. Cooper hit fcuking hard, and remember Haye and Macca are both Chinny.

Cooper was extremely strong for his size and was a very dirty fighter. He would have roughed Haye and Macca up.

Cooper is underrated if anything.

How much have you seen of Cooper, Captain Hook?

Good post. 'Enry's 'ammer would have sparked Enzo the first time it caught him. As for Cooper-Haye, I'll have to think a bit more about that one.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 02 Jan 2008, 13:49

chris s wrote:Good thread.

I am with Enzo inside three rounds.

We all know about Cooper against Clay, but what about the journeymen he lost to

Fcuk me Waht about Lee Swaby ffs

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 02 Jan 2008, 13:54

KO Artist wrote:
chris s wrote:Good thread.

I am with Enzo inside three rounds.

We all know about Cooper against Clay, but what about the journeymen he lost to
Fcuk me Waht about Lee Swaby ffs

Yes but that was the old enzo, apparently 4 more jabs around make him like a cross between Lewis and Marciano!

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 02 Jan 2008, 14:03

what about if our henry hit enzo with his 'soap on a rope' ....

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 02 Jan 2008, 14:09

rhino222 wrote:what about if our henry hit enzo with his 'soap on a rope' ....

The smell of the Brut that 'Enry used to "splash all over" might be enough to overwhelm Enzo.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 02 Jan 2008, 14:54

chesh wrote:
KO Artist wrote:No way Enzo would have stopped Cooper, quite the reverse.

Cooper would have sparked him out. Henrys level of opposition was far far superior

For that matter Henry would have done Haye as well. Probably a late knockout. Henry had tremendous stamina. Cooper hit fcuking hard, and remember Haye and Macca are both Chinny.

Cooper was extremely strong for his size and was a very dirty fighter. He would have roughed Haye and Macca up.

Cooper is underrated if anything.

How much have you seen of Cooper, Captain Hook?
Good post. 'Enry's 'ammer would have sparked Enzo the first time it caught him. As for Cooper-Haye, I'll have to think a bit more about that one.

Haye would be too big and strong IMO if he fought Cooper at HW.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 02 Jan 2008, 14:58

chesh wrote:
rhino222 wrote:what about if our henry hit enzo with his 'soap on a rope' ....
The smell of the Brut that 'Enry used to "splash all over" might be enough to overwhelm Enzo.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 02 Jan 2008, 15:32

WildWaylon wrote:
chesh wrote:
KO Artist wrote:No way Enzo would have stopped Cooper, quite the reverse.

Cooper would have sparked him out. Henrys level of opposition was far far superior

For that matter Henry would have done Haye as well. Probably a late knockout. Henry had tremendous stamina. Cooper hit fcuking hard, and remember Haye and Macca are both Chinny.

Cooper was extremely strong for his size and was a very dirty fighter. He would have roughed Haye and Macca up.

Cooper is underrated if anything.

How much have you seen of Cooper, Captain Hook?
Good post. 'Enry's 'ammer would have sparked Enzo the first time it caught him. As for Cooper-Haye, I'll have to think a bit more about that one.
Haye would be too big and strong IMO if he fought Cooper at HW.

Too big and too strong? Haye nearly got hishead knocked off by natrual 168 Lolenga Mock and Cooper at 37 went 15 with 6'5 230lb, 22 yearold Joe Bugner.

1southpaw · Post by **1southpaw** » 02 Jan 2008, 15:33

i cant belive your discussing who would win cooper had one punch (left hook) it was only ali messing about that he ended up on his arse anyway enzo would be to fit for cooper he hits to hard and has better movment for me it's enzo all the way and that includes koing haye in 3

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 02 Jan 2008, 15:38

1southpaw wrote:i cant belive your discussing who would win cooper had one punch (left hook) it was only ali messing about that he ended up on his arse anyway enzo would be to fit for cooper he hits to hard and has better movment for me it's enzo all the way and that includes koing haye in 3

Enzo too fit? Cooper had nearly as many 15 rounders as Enzo has had fights.

Cooper only one handed? Watch his brutal KO of the quality Joe Erskine. Then tell me if Cooper had one hand.

Sorry, but you dont know what you are talking about on this subject.

E · Post by E » 02 Jan 2008, 15:58

I'd like to see twin George Cooper against a prime Sammy Reeson.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 02 Jan 2008, 16:13

Cooper was a nasty, ruthless, dedicated fighter. I don't recall Enzo or David Haye making it to the Olympics. You name it, Henry did it as a fighter: two ABA titles, three Lonsdale Belts, decking arguably the greatest heavyweight who ever lives... Just a fight after Clay struggled with the quick, sneaky Cooper, he ripped the world heavyweight title from the dreaded Sonny Liston. Haye and Maccarinelli would have beaten Liston, too, I suppose.
Yes, Cooper had his off-nights but he doesn't deserve a (mostly) ignorant thread like this.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 02 Jan 2008, 16:14

bennie wrote:Cooper was a nasty, ruthless, dedicated fighter. I don't recall Enzo or David Haye making it to the Olympics. You name it, Henry did it as a fighter: two ABA titles, three Lonsdale Belts, decking arguably the greatest heavyweight who ever lived... Just a fight after Clay struggled with the quick, sneaky Cooper, he ripped the world heavyweight title from the dreaded Sonny Liston. Haye and Maccarinelli would have beaten Liston, too, I suppose.
Yes, Cooper had his off-nights but he doesn't deserve a (mostly) ignorant thread like this.

Hey I backed the fellow!

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 02 Jan 2008, 16:18

bennie wrote:Cooper was a nasty, ruthless, dedicated fighter. I don't recall Enzo or David Haye making it to the Olympics. You name it, Henry did it as a fighter: two ABA titles, three Lonsdale Belts, decking arguably the greatest heavyweight who ever lived... Just a fight after Clay struggled with the quick, sneaky Cooper, he ripped the world heavyweight title from the dreaded Sonny Liston. Haye and Maccarinelli would have beaten Liston, too, I suppose.
Yes, Cooper had his off-nights but he doesn't deserve a (mostly) ignorant thread like this.

I agree mate, the guys that make threads like this are metrosexuals...enough said.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 02 Jan 2008, 18:05

KO Artist wrote:
WildWaylon wrote:
chesh wrote: Good post. 'Enry's 'ammer would have sparked Enzo the first time it caught him. As for Cooper-Haye, I'll have to think a bit more about that one.
Haye would be too big and strong IMO if he fought Cooper at HW.
Too big and too strong? Haye nearly got hishead knocked off by natrual 168 Lolenga Mock and Cooper at 37 went 15 with 6'5 230lb, 22 yearold Joe Bugner.

Its a bit of a silly thread really - Back in the 70s they did a similar thing on ITV - Who was the best HW Ali, Louis or Marciano and who would beat who? - Different times and none met the other, so its just opinion and you would be right (and wrong) whoever you picked - All three where superb and you could make a great case for each one being the best - I think Haye would be too big and strong for Cooper (unlike you younger people on here I actually saw Cooper fight) however Cooper moved well, hit hard and accurately and who knows maybe his style and punch may beat David Haye, we shall never know - Maybe David would win on cuts cos Enry did cut easily - As for Macca being beaten by Swaby, it was very early on in his career and (a) he has improved one hell of a lot since then and (b) Enzo had a bad night and Swaby although a decent fighter was lucky to get the win - Enzo/Haye is such a close fight its hard to pick the winner - Thats why its a fight we have all been waiting for, not knowing who can beat who - Both hit hard and both have been dropped - We can have a favourite, we can have an opinion but unlike Haye/Cooper when Haye/Macca fight we should get a winner and see for ourselves who is the better man.