Boxings Myths Busted

Grant · Post by **Grant** » 18 Dec 2007, 00:59

That Danny Green was robbed against Markus Beyer. Assuming Green is refering to the first bout where he was DQ'd for a deliberate headbut. It was not only stupid, it was so deliberate and so unneccesary.

Myth. Busted

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 18 Dec 2007, 01:10

That Grant knows what he is talking about in this thread.

Myth. Busted.

R_jay · Post by **R_jay** » 18 Dec 2007, 01:22

I sort of agree with Grant, and I had money on Green to win. He was getting frustrated because Beyer survived early and was outboxing him, so he launched one hell of a headbutt. If you're stupid enough to do that in the champion's backyard you deserve what you get.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » 18 Dec 2007, 01:37

Marlin wrote:That Grant knows what he is talking about in this thread.

Myth. Busted.

That's bad isn't it :(

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 18 Dec 2007, 03:31

Bullshit. They clashed heads behind Beyer's ear. It was nowhere near the original cut.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 18 Dec 2007, 03:39

Brute wrote:Bullshit. They clashed heads behind Beyer's ear. It was nowhere near the original cut.

It was still a delberate head butt, It didnt hit the other cut but it was intentional.

Grant · Post by **Grant** » 18 Dec 2007, 04:13

Agree Ben

Stupid and deliberaate

If that hapened in Australia we would run that guy out of town. Just as the did in Germany

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 18 Dec 2007, 18:36

Grant wrote:Agree Ben

Stupid and deliberaate

If that hapened in Australia we would run that guy out of town. Just as the did in Germany

I disagree totally.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 18 Dec 2007, 19:23

Remember the second fight? Where Beyer was given a standing eight count in spite of the fact the rules for the fight included "no standing eight count?"

Beyer was out on his feet. The standing eight count saved him.

mano loco · Post by **mano loco** » 05 Jan 2008, 23:45

I think you'll find that it was a mandatory 8 count, not a standing 8 count, that was applied after Beyer was deemed to be held up by the ropes.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 06 Jan 2008, 00:21

It was a standing eight. No part of Beyer's body touched the mat. Ropes do not count.

mano loco · Post by **mano loco** » 06 Jan 2008, 03:00

Brute wrote:It was a standing eight. No part of Beyer's body touched the mat. Ropes do not count.

You're wrong there, buddy.

If a glove touches the canvas or if the ropes are demeed to be the only thing holding fighter up, a mandatory eight count is applied.

A standing eight is an entirely different thing and is rarely applied in the professional ranks.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 06 Jan 2008, 03:26

How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!

calmac66 · Post by **calmac66** » 06 Jan 2008, 04:31

Brute wrote:How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!

Are you serious? I am not really talking about the Beyer fight but many fighters have come of the ropes to win, including title fights.

mano loco · Post by **mano loco** » 06 Jan 2008, 06:11

Brute wrote:How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!

Maybe I'm a little naive here, but can you please explain the difference between a mandatory eight count and a standing eight count.

Muchas gracias.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 06 Jan 2008, 08:57

mano loco wrote:
Brute wrote:How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!
Maybe I'm a little naive here, but can you please explain the difference between a mandatory eight count and a standing eight count.

Muchas gracias.

standing 8 is where the fighter is given an 8 count with out going down, a mandatory 8 is when a fighter is knocked down the cout must reach 8 before the fight can resume

R_jay · Post by **R_jay** » 06 Jan 2008, 09:48

There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow. It was a mandatory 8 count not a standing 8. And in any case Green was lucky to get the call at all. His rushing Beyer pushed Beyer off balance and caused him to fall, so if anyone got screwed it was Beyer as it cost him a 10-8 round, which may have been pivotal in a closer fight.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 07 Jan 2008, 06:59

Marlin wrote:That Grant knows what he is talking about in this thread.

Myth. Busted.

You deliberately stick the nut in, you get DQ'd. Simple as, as you might say in Australia.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 07 Jan 2008, 07:02

R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow.

Another good example of this is Holyfield-Cooper.

R_jay · Post by **R_jay** » 07 Jan 2008, 09:52

The exact fight I was thinking about when I wrote that. The 1st knockdown of Holyfield's career, even though he didn't touch the canvas. Great fight too. Cooper was about 2 good shots away from the stoppage.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 07 Jan 2008, 23:10

oliverfennell wrote:
R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow.
Another good example of this is Holyfield-Cooper.

When Jeff Harding fought Dennis Andries the first time, Andries was backed into the ropes with Harding punching into him and Andries unable to defend himself. The referee stopped the fight and awarded it to Harding by K.O.

What is the difference?

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 07 Jan 2008, 23:20

calmac66 wrote:
Brute wrote:How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!
Are you serious? I am not really talking about the Beyer fight but many fighters have come of the ropes to win, including title fights.

That was my point.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 07 Jan 2008, 23:23

R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow. It was a mandatory 8 count not a standing 8. And in any case Green was lucky to get the call at all. His rushing Beyer pushed Beyer off balance and caused him to fall, so if anyone got screwed it was Beyer as it cost him a 10-8 round, which may have been pivotal in a closer fight.

Oh, come on! A German fighter screwed in Germany?

R_jay · Post by **R_jay** » 08 Jan 2008, 01:42

Brute wrote:
oliverfennell wrote:
R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow.
Another good example of this is Holyfield-Cooper.
When Jeff Harding fought Dennis Andries the first time, Andries was backed into the ropes with Harding punching into him and Andries unable to defend himself. The referee stopped the fight and awarded it to Harding by K.O.

What is the difference?

If a fighter is knocked off balance and the only thing that stops him from going down is the ropes, a knockdown is called. If a guy is up against the ropes but taking punishment a knockdown is almost never called, and the fight will only be stopped when he is no longer defending himself.

A contestant shall be considered down when any part of his body, other than his feet, is on the floor, or if he is hanging helplessly over the ropes, and only is held up by the ropes, as the result of a legal blow. Only the Referee may determine whether there has been a knockdown.

In reality if a guy is helpless on the ropes the fight is usually called.

Oh, come on! A German fighter screwed in Germany?

The fight could have taken place on Mars, what happened happened. Many referees would not have called that a knockdown. I would not have.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 08 Jan 2008, 06:34

oliverfennell wrote:
R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow.
Another good example of this is Holyfield-Cooper.

Holyfield grabbed the rope as he was going down to stop himself from hitting the canvas. That is different to having your back against the ropes.