Macca V Haye is on - in March!!
This is a very exciting fight and does British boxing the power of good.
I'm not counting too many chickens yet, anything can happen before March, especially where FW is concerned, but should it happen, it should be very exciting while it lasts. Also, another great boost for the Cruiserweight division which has really come alive in the last five years.
Just enjoy this one. It should be an absolute riot
I'm not counting too many chickens yet, anything can happen before March, especially where FW is concerned, but should it happen, it should be very exciting while it lasts. Also, another great boost for the Cruiserweight division which has really come alive in the last five years.
Just enjoy this one. It should be an absolute riot
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josh fg wrote:http://www.allegedly.tv/drill/News/Ar ... ye-on.html anyone think that the picture hear gives a rather misleading impression of the kind of fighters they both are!
Typical SN bias in endemic in everything they do or say.........
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I'm just showing the opposite picture to counter a distasteful post.Autobarn wrote:think both of you have been very harsh to each of the fighters. Be glad that both have improved off bad stoppage losses.E wrote:WHat you mean like all the heavyweight champions???? (ANd fat Peter is an interim champ before you pull that one out.)StepinFetchit wrote:Why is everyone getting so excited about this fight FFS?....Enzo got sparked in 3 by Lee Swaby and a shot Bruce Scott had him on queer street & has only fought tomatoe cans since.....at least when Haye gets buzzed it's by genuine World Class fighters.
I bet Gonzo will look awesome predictably sprawled out 1st or 2nd round on the canvas dribbling from his big head.
Gonzo is just another 1 of those "great white hopes" A.K.A bag of overhyped sh!t.
And much as I like Haye, he was still knocked out by a punch drunk Thompson who could barely stand up (admittedly at least dangerous), put down by a shot, old and overrated Mormeck who was never that good, but most worryingly put on severe 'queer street' by Lolenga Mock; a 32 year old (then) ex-middleweight who has a less than 50% knockout ratio.
People in glass houses etc.
Anyway - this is the best domestic fight for years, congratulations for both for taking it.
I believe Haye should be a slight favourite, but is basically a 50-50 fight and one which could be fought 100 times and have 100 different results.
Even if one destroys the other in a round, which is very possible, does not make it any less of a 50-50 fight.
As often said this is the best matchup in the UK, maybe in boxing - both are huge punchers, have come back with great spirit from setbacks, and I both like and respect both these guys immensely.
A while ago, I re-watched the Haye - Williams fight and had one of those jaw-hits-the-ground moments. I literally took a double take on first seeing a long shot of Haye's physique. To say he's 'bulked up' since then is a clear understatement. He's added a phenominal amount of muscle.jamesmcdonnell wrote:I've sort of thought the same. I think Haye's trouble in making weights is more to do with his fondness for lifting weights in training camp. After all, he was making 190 a few years ago.Ben Carey wrote:I agree with States - Haye's accepted the job, if he was that concerned about his weight he wouldnt and shouldn't take it. He's just knocked out the no.1 cruiser in the world so is more than able of repeating the trick against Maccarinelli. I'd like to praise David for taking the match though.
On another note, some like Haye for his "refreshing honesty" but I think David is prone to exaggerating the truth somewhat. He claims to have been dead at cruiser for a long time but still went through with the Mormeck fight, even though the fight was delayed twice. I also don't think Haye was as badly hurt as he said he was when Mormeck floored him. His legs went momentarily but he regained his senses very quickly and saw out the remainder of the round without major alarm.
Haye is humble enough to admit when he's buzzed but I've never bought the theory that he is totally dead at the weight. It won't be a viable excuse if Maccarinelli sparks him IMO.
Against Mormeck, Haye's upper body looked absolutely huge compared to how he looked just a couple of years ago, he's obviously been on a serious programme to build muscle mass, and this is not going to make it easy to stay under the weight, nor is it going to enhance his stamina, no matter how much running he does. Those big oxygen-demanding muscles could prove his undoing if the fight goes beyond the first few rounds.
The fact that up to and including his fight against Thompson, 190 was his natural weight, but now it's 225 is saying something.
Just ask Evander Holyfield how tough it is to put on 35lbs of muscle.
I think it shows you EXACTLY the kind of fighters they are. Haye the risk taker, winning a tough fight. Mac smiling after bowling over some useless opponent.josh fg wrote:http://www.allegedly.tv/drill/News/Ar ... ye-on.html anyone think that the picture hear gives a rather misleading impression of the kind of fighters they both are!
I wonder, despite Mac's impovement, will the two ridiculously easy wins (Azzaoui, Gunn) come back to haunt him? When he fought Hobson 1st time, it seemed like he was shocked when an opponent tried to actually take command of a fight, with jabs, rights and body shots. Mac was coming off wins over Henechen and Lamontagne, and barely beat Hobson. These easy fights can have a negative effect, especially when you have a blood hungry opponent who's coming after you.
Cruiserweight golden boys David Haye and Enzo Maccarinelli square off in the most eagerly anticipated domestic showdown since the days of Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank. At stake are three major world titles (in one world) but bragging rights have played more of a role in bringing these two punchers together. It's time to find out who really hits the hardest, or who has the better chin; a case of 'bombs away!'
A natural.
Haye comes off a brilliant win over established French bull Jean-Marc Mormeck in Paris in November to wrest the WBC and WBA titles. The charismatic, swashbuckling, superbly-built Londoner showed all his strength and power as he traded big punches with the champion - and refreshing stamina and maturity to ride out the inevitable rough spots and pour it on from the middle rounds. In the seventh, he dropped Mormeck with a thumping right hook behind the ear; the local star beat the count but was 'gone'; Italian referee Guido Cavalleri rightly waved it off.
So the good outweighs the bad to David Haye these days. His defence and his chin are still matters for concern - he 'took a knee' in the fourth round against Mormeck - but that right hand can get him out of jail anywhere in the world at any stage in a fight. Once upon a time, 27-year-old Haye ran out of steam after a few rounds. The 'new' David Haye keeps on firing.
Keeps on winning.
Haye has won 10 on the spin since his only defeat to Carl "The Cat" Thompson, including late stoppages of Italian Giacobbe Fragomeni and gutsy Dane Lasse Johansen and a landslide 12-round decision over slippery Belgian Ismail Abdoul, the only time Haye has gone the distance, win or lose (Abdoul also went 12 with Maccarinelli). Compare this to the night Haye failed to finish 40-year-old Thompson in the early rounds of their brawl at Wembley in September 2004, blew up, went down and was rescued in the fifth. With hindsight, David, a pro less than two years at the time, was too inexperienced for the rugged Bolton veteran - and he's clearly learned from it. I liked the way he worked the body against Mormeck, or cleverly allowed his head to clear when taking that count in the fourth. He fought a smart fight.
But Maccarinelli has also mightily improved under top trainer Enzo Calzaghe, whom he linked up with after struggling to outscore Huddersfield dangerman Mark Hobson a couple of years ago. He proceeded to destroy Hobson in 71 seconds and lift the WBO belt crushing Argentine hard man Marcelo Dominguez in eight rounds - the first time Dominguez had ever been stopped. Last time out in November, Maccarinelli took out Algeria's previously unbeaten Mohamed Azzaoui in four rounds in front of the largest Welsh crowd for generations on the Calzaghe-Kessler show in Cardiff. The 27-year-old Swansea giant already has a flavour of the big occasion, the big atmosphere.
And a shutout of feared Guyanan Wayne Braithwaite last year really underlined Maccarinelli's improvement. He adopted a mature approach in his biggest step-up to date, working the jab, varying the big punches, flooring Braithwaite in the fifth and unloading in the later rounds, especially with the challenger backed to the ropes.
Mac is on a hot 25-fight, eight-year winning streak dating back to his only loss in May 2000 to Lincoln's Lee Swaby (Enzo was also inexperienced at the time). "I honestly think he is the best cruiserweight in the world - that's not a promoter's hype, I genuinely do believe that," said F rank Warren. "He's a very smart boxer, he's got a fantastic jab and he can bang - he's got dynamite in both hands. He can beat anyone. He's better than Haye and Steve Cunningham."
Of course, Braithwaite was also licked by one Jean-Marc Mormeck, although both Maccarinelli and Haye have licked West Ham's Garry Delaney (dropped seven times by Enzo with body shots), Tony Booth, Valery Semishkur and career survivor Abdoul, and it is frighteningly difficult to separate them. How do you separate two rival world champs, two monster cruiserweights, two quick cruiserweights, two massive punchers?
Both men have been down. Maccarinelli overcame a heavy knockdown to flatten Hackney's Bruce Scott with a stunning left hook in four rounds in Cardiff in June 2003. The Welsh-Italian also went down and out against Swaby, who nailed him in the third. Haye was dropped in the second round by Lolenga Mock in a wild and woolly affair at Reading in September 2003, before finishing the African with a smashing right uppercut in the fourth. Thompson and Mormeck also turned the trick, of course.
But you can't count the knockdowns they have racked up.
Haye has knocked out all but one of his 20 victims - 14 inside three rounds; Maccarinelli has taken out 21 of his 28 victims - 19 inside four rounds. Haye has crumbled nine of his last 10; Maccarinelli, eight of his last 10. Haye destroyed world-rated heavyweight Tomasz Bonin in 105 seconds. It took him 45 seconds to win the European title from Alexander Gurov. Maccarinelli needed 90 seconds to dispose of South Africa's Earl Morais; Estonia's rugged Andrei Kiarsten lasted 70 seconds with him.
They have 17 first-round wins.
Maccarinelli looks more two-handed than Haye, who does his clouting with the right - and much more comfortable at the weight, given Haye's forays into the heavyweight division. Following his victory over Mormeck, Haye actually announced he would no longer be fighting as a cruiser. Weightmaking could make a world of difference (well, three worlds) if Enzo gets through the early rounds.
But either way, it's hard to see this one lasting long.
A natural.
Haye comes off a brilliant win over established French bull Jean-Marc Mormeck in Paris in November to wrest the WBC and WBA titles. The charismatic, swashbuckling, superbly-built Londoner showed all his strength and power as he traded big punches with the champion - and refreshing stamina and maturity to ride out the inevitable rough spots and pour it on from the middle rounds. In the seventh, he dropped Mormeck with a thumping right hook behind the ear; the local star beat the count but was 'gone'; Italian referee Guido Cavalleri rightly waved it off.
So the good outweighs the bad to David Haye these days. His defence and his chin are still matters for concern - he 'took a knee' in the fourth round against Mormeck - but that right hand can get him out of jail anywhere in the world at any stage in a fight. Once upon a time, 27-year-old Haye ran out of steam after a few rounds. The 'new' David Haye keeps on firing.
Keeps on winning.
Haye has won 10 on the spin since his only defeat to Carl "The Cat" Thompson, including late stoppages of Italian Giacobbe Fragomeni and gutsy Dane Lasse Johansen and a landslide 12-round decision over slippery Belgian Ismail Abdoul, the only time Haye has gone the distance, win or lose (Abdoul also went 12 with Maccarinelli). Compare this to the night Haye failed to finish 40-year-old Thompson in the early rounds of their brawl at Wembley in September 2004, blew up, went down and was rescued in the fifth. With hindsight, David, a pro less than two years at the time, was too inexperienced for the rugged Bolton veteran - and he's clearly learned from it. I liked the way he worked the body against Mormeck, or cleverly allowed his head to clear when taking that count in the fourth. He fought a smart fight.
But Maccarinelli has also mightily improved under top trainer Enzo Calzaghe, whom he linked up with after struggling to outscore Huddersfield dangerman Mark Hobson a couple of years ago. He proceeded to destroy Hobson in 71 seconds and lift the WBO belt crushing Argentine hard man Marcelo Dominguez in eight rounds - the first time Dominguez had ever been stopped. Last time out in November, Maccarinelli took out Algeria's previously unbeaten Mohamed Azzaoui in four rounds in front of the largest Welsh crowd for generations on the Calzaghe-Kessler show in Cardiff. The 27-year-old Swansea giant already has a flavour of the big occasion, the big atmosphere.
And a shutout of feared Guyanan Wayne Braithwaite last year really underlined Maccarinelli's improvement. He adopted a mature approach in his biggest step-up to date, working the jab, varying the big punches, flooring Braithwaite in the fifth and unloading in the later rounds, especially with the challenger backed to the ropes.
Mac is on a hot 25-fight, eight-year winning streak dating back to his only loss in May 2000 to Lincoln's Lee Swaby (Enzo was also inexperienced at the time). "I honestly think he is the best cruiserweight in the world - that's not a promoter's hype, I genuinely do believe that," said F rank Warren. "He's a very smart boxer, he's got a fantastic jab and he can bang - he's got dynamite in both hands. He can beat anyone. He's better than Haye and Steve Cunningham."
Of course, Braithwaite was also licked by one Jean-Marc Mormeck, although both Maccarinelli and Haye have licked West Ham's Garry Delaney (dropped seven times by Enzo with body shots), Tony Booth, Valery Semishkur and career survivor Abdoul, and it is frighteningly difficult to separate them. How do you separate two rival world champs, two monster cruiserweights, two quick cruiserweights, two massive punchers?
Both men have been down. Maccarinelli overcame a heavy knockdown to flatten Hackney's Bruce Scott with a stunning left hook in four rounds in Cardiff in June 2003. The Welsh-Italian also went down and out against Swaby, who nailed him in the third. Haye was dropped in the second round by Lolenga Mock in a wild and woolly affair at Reading in September 2003, before finishing the African with a smashing right uppercut in the fourth. Thompson and Mormeck also turned the trick, of course.
But you can't count the knockdowns they have racked up.
Haye has knocked out all but one of his 20 victims - 14 inside three rounds; Maccarinelli has taken out 21 of his 28 victims - 19 inside four rounds. Haye has crumbled nine of his last 10; Maccarinelli, eight of his last 10. Haye destroyed world-rated heavyweight Tomasz Bonin in 105 seconds. It took him 45 seconds to win the European title from Alexander Gurov. Maccarinelli needed 90 seconds to dispose of South Africa's Earl Morais; Estonia's rugged Andrei Kiarsten lasted 70 seconds with him.
They have 17 first-round wins.
Maccarinelli looks more two-handed than Haye, who does his clouting with the right - and much more comfortable at the weight, given Haye's forays into the heavyweight division. Following his victory over Mormeck, Haye actually announced he would no longer be fighting as a cruiser. Weightmaking could make a world of difference (well, three worlds) if Enzo gets through the early rounds.
But either way, it's hard to see this one lasting long.
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Bennie, you make it sound like they have equal titles.
on this matter, i just read a welsh article that doesn't even acknowledge Haye's belts! It merely says Haye is trying to take Macca's WBO title. More bilge written by another Taff writer on the take (referring to some horrendously biased Calzaghe and Enzo Mac newspaper pieces over the last few months)... http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/displ ... eId=161383
on this matter, i just read a welsh article that doesn't even acknowledge Haye's belts! It merely says Haye is trying to take Macca's WBO title. More bilge written by another Taff writer on the take (referring to some horrendously biased Calzaghe and Enzo Mac newspaper pieces over the last few months)... http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/displ ... eId=161383
Hopefully that means you won't be contributing to any Haye-Enzo threads in the build up then or will your irresistiable urge to troll overule your obvious indifference to the fight?StepinFetchit wrote:Why is everyone getting so excited about this fight FFS?....Enzo got sparked in 3 by Lee Swaby and a shot Bruce Scott had him on queer street & has only fought tomatoe cans since.....at least when Haye gets buzzed it's by genuine World Class fighters.
I bet Gonzo will look awesome predictably sprawled out 1st or 2nd round on the canvas dribbling from his big head.
Gonzo is just another 1 of those "great white hopes" A.K.A bag of overhyped sh!t.
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Exactly i dont see why people should rush to congratulate him for setting up a fight that should happened last year considering he gave us the mighty "bobby Gunn" fiasco in recent history.ArtOfWar wrote:Are you being serious?The Blade wrote:Perhaps this news silences the tedious bleatings of the stuck record brigade on this site who suggest allegedly allegedly allegedly overly protects his fighters. This proves, with the greatest of respect, on the back of Calzaghe-Kessler that these critics are spouting arrant nonsense (nice words for bollocks). Now we have a fight that everybody has been calling for, so why not give FW a little credit for having the balls to put it on.
FW is notorious for protecting his fighters to much, but now he makes a couple of big fights and it's not true what everyone has been saying for years.
There is no doubt that Calzaghe/Kessler and now Haye/Enzo are two big fights made by FW, but that doesn't make the past disappear. With that being said, no one has 'suggested' FW overly protects his fighters, it's a fact.
This is gonna be a great match up though, and someone will almost certainly get knocked out.
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Don't know if its already been mentioned, but its a late kick-off to cater for the yanks
Come on Our Deron!!
I couldn't give a toss what time its on, the main thing is that its on.Warren added that he expected the 20,000 venue in Greenwich to be full on the night and that the fight would begin at approximately 0130 GMT for the benefit of an American audience.
Come on Our Deron!!
Early odds from Stan James
Haye, David 4/7
Draw 33/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo 5/4
Round By RoundHaye v Maccarinelli-WBO/WBC/WBA Welterweight Title Fight 08 Mar 21:00Live on
Selection Price
Haye, David Round 1 10/1
Haye, David Round 2 10/1
Haye, David Round 3 10/1
Haye, David Round 4 11/1
Haye, David Round 5 12/1
Haye, David Round 6 12/1
Haye, David Round 7 18/1
Haye, David Round 8 25/1
Haye, David Round 9 33/1
Haye, David Round 10 40/1
Haye, David Round 11 50/1
Haye, David Round 12 66/1
Haye, David On Points 10/1
Draw 33/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 1 12/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 2 12/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 3 12/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 4 14/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 5 14/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 6 16/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 7 22/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 8 28/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 9 28/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 10 33/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 11 40/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 12 50/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo On Points 10/1
You can get over 2/1 on Haye winning in the first 5 rounds hmmmmm, I might have to come out of my self-imposed gambling ban (well I say self-imposed, but Graham Earl had quite a hand in it)
Haye, David 4/7
Draw 33/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo 5/4
Round By RoundHaye v Maccarinelli-WBO/WBC/WBA Welterweight Title Fight 08 Mar 21:00Live on
Selection Price
Haye, David Round 1 10/1
Haye, David Round 2 10/1
Haye, David Round 3 10/1
Haye, David Round 4 11/1
Haye, David Round 5 12/1
Haye, David Round 6 12/1
Haye, David Round 7 18/1
Haye, David Round 8 25/1
Haye, David Round 9 33/1
Haye, David Round 10 40/1
Haye, David Round 11 50/1
Haye, David Round 12 66/1
Haye, David On Points 10/1
Draw 33/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 1 12/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 2 12/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 3 12/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 4 14/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 5 14/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 6 16/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 7 22/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 8 28/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 9 28/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 10 33/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 11 40/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo Round 12 50/1
Maccarinelli, Enzo On Points 10/1
You can get over 2/1 on Haye winning in the first 5 rounds hmmmmm, I might have to come out of my self-imposed gambling ban (well I say self-imposed, but Graham Earl had quite a hand in it)
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how are they gonna get 20k away from the O2 @ 2/3am?Chambers2 wrote:Don't know if its already been mentioned, but its a late kick-off to cater for the yanks
I couldn't give a toss what time its on, the main thing is that its on.Warren added that he expected the 20,000 venue in Greenwich to be full on the night and that the fight would begin at approximately 0130 GMT for the benefit of an American audience.
Come on Our Deron!!