Guzman v Arthur

pm · Post by pm » 11 Jan 2008, 04:54

Rumoured to be on the undercard of JMM vs Pacquiao, March 15th.

Can't see it myself though.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Jan 2008, 05:34

Doubt Warren sends him over. If he doesn't, then it won't look very good on Arthur will it. Who knows, maybe Golden Boy or Sycuan are calling AA's bluff. Or maybe the 2 camps haven't even talked about this. Boxrec may have just looked up WBO ratings/news and decided...

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 11 Jan 2008, 05:39

Didnt the news break on "philboxing" ... a site Ive never visited.

chris s · Post by **chris s** » 11 Jan 2008, 05:43

Think there is some confusion over this one. I also saw somewhere else it is likely to happen but will go to purse bids.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 11 Jan 2008, 05:47

pm wrote:Rumoured to be on the undercard of JMM vs Pacquiao, March 15th.

Can't see it myself though.

No way Warren would let this happen. Triple A would get outclassed.

pm · Post by pm » 11 Jan 2008, 05:49

Guzman has until 21st of Jan to notify WBO of his plans.

Guess we should find out soon enough.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 11 Jan 2008, 07:15

If you're Guzman and somebody says: "You'll lose your title unless you fight a guy who just went through life and death against Stephen Foster", it's not going to be a tough decision to make!

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 12 Jan 2008, 05:57

big article in todays daily record says guzman wants fight asap, wants to get it out the way.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 12 Jan 2008, 06:11

I can imagine Guzman wants to get Arthur done and dusted, which he will have no trouble at all in doing if this fight takes place.

chinny · Post by **chinny** » 13 Jan 2008, 08:26

Sounds like this is defo going to happen from the setanta show last night.

Not sure who Bunce was confusing Guzman with though when he said something along the lines of 'Guzman knocks everyone out'. He wasn't thinking of Valero was he? Guzman hasn't scored a KO for a while.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 13 Jan 2008, 08:31

chinny wrote:Sounds like this is defo going to happen from the setanta show last night.

Not sure who Bunce was confusing Guzman with though when he said something along the lines of 'Guzman knocks everyone out'. He wasn't thinking of Valero was he? Guzman hasn't scored a KO for a while.

I thought that too. Think Guzman has 17 KOs in 28 wins.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Jan 2008, 08:40

Looks like the promoters are in a standoff. Golden Boy want to keep the title in America and get Arthur out of the way. Warren wants to make it at home, win purse bids so his fighter has home advantage and more money than if the champ's handlers were staging it in America.

I still think Guzman will drop the belt - especially if Warren wins a purse bid (see Harrison-Marquez negotiations) - but it will reflect badly on AAA that he didn't take the chance to FIGHT THE CHAMP. AAA will end up getting the vacant title, but he's looking like hell at the weight.

Not great for British boxing's worldwide reputation. But it raises AAA's stock financially and domestically, and I think it gives Kevin Mitchell a target. It also gives UK fighters more incentive for a big round robin of big fights at 130-lbs & then possibly up at 135. WBO belt could spur a classic British era, as per middleweight 1990-1995. Arthur-Foster Jr may be the start of a great series of British wars.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 13 Jan 2008, 08:42

TerribleTerry wrote:
pm wrote:Rumoured to be on the undercard of JMM vs Pacquiao, March 15th.

Can't see it myself though.
No way Warren would let this happen. Triple A would get outclassed.

i caught that foster fight for the first time last night.

jesus arthur would get creamed on that form.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 13 Jan 2008, 08:42

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
chinny wrote:Sounds like this is defo going to happen from the setanta show last night.

Not sure who Bunce was confusing Guzman with though when he said something along the lines of 'Guzman knocks everyone out'. He wasn't thinking of Valero was he? Guzman hasn't scored a KO for a while.
I thought that too. Think Guzman has 17 KOs in 28 wins.

Early career he was a KO machine (they called him mini Tyson) but as his weight has risen and with bad hands his ko percentage has dropped off massively.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 13 Jan 2008, 08:51

TerribleTerry wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
chinny wrote:Sounds like this is defo going to happen from the setanta show last night.

Not sure who Bunce was confusing Guzman with though when he said something along the lines of 'Guzman knocks everyone out'. He wasn't thinking of Valero was he? Guzman hasn't scored a KO for a while.
I thought that too. Think Guzman has 17 KOs in 28 wins.
Early career he was a KO machine (they called him mini Tyson) but as his weight has risen and with bad hands his ko percentage has dropped off massively.

yeah.

still a respectable hitter though.

the way people over emphasise this point makes me laugh.

he ain;t banging guys out no more.

but he ain't a malignaggi on the power either ffs.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 13 Jan 2008, 13:42

Autobarn wrote:Looks like the promoters are in a standoff. Golden Boy want to keep the title in America and get Arthur out of the way. Warren wants to make it at home, win purse bids so his fighter has home advantage and more money than if the champ's handlers were staging it in America.

I still think Guzman will drop the belt - especially if Warren wins a purse bid (see Harrison-Marquez negotiations) - but it will reflect badly on AAA that he didn't take the chance to FIGHT THE CHAMP. AAA will end up getting the vacant title, but he's looking like hell at the weight.

Not great for British boxing's worldwide reputation. But it raises AAA's stock financially and domestically, and I think it gives Kevin Mitchell a target. It also gives UK fighters more incentive for a big round robin of big fights at 130-lbs & then possibly up at 135. WBO belt could spur a classic British era, as per middleweight 1990-1995. Arthur-Foster Jr may be the start of a great series of British wars.

Good post and let's hope this mooted round robin becomes a reality. I agree AAA has weight issues, but think a lot of his shortcomings are down to the fact that he's been vastly overrated for a long time. He'd be seriously exposed by any top 5 130 pounder.

Everton FC · Post by **Everton FC** » 13 Jan 2008, 14:02

Guzman would annihilate Arthur inside 2 to 3 rounds..Sad BUT very very true!!

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 13 Jan 2008, 14:07

Everton FC wrote:Guzman would annihilate Arthur inside 2 to 3 rounds..Sad BUT very very true!!

I doubt it.

Everton FC · Post by **Everton FC** » 13 Jan 2008, 14:09

Horse wrote:
Everton FC wrote:Guzman would annihilate Arthur inside 2 to 3 rounds..Sad BUT very very true!!
I doubt it.

On the evidence of his last fight with Foster can you tell me otherwise???

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 13 Jan 2008, 14:30

Everton FC wrote:
Horse wrote:
Everton FC wrote:Guzman would annihilate Arthur inside 2 to 3 rounds..Sad BUT very very true!!
I doubt it.
On the evidence of his last fight with Foster can you tell me otherwise???

Guzman does not hit that hard at super featherweight and Arthur has a good chin. Guzman is hideously overated.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 13 Jan 2008, 14:32

Horse wrote:Guzman is hideously overated.

His dig might be over rated but his skills are elite world class.

How can you over rate someone who is as good as Guzman??.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Jan 2008, 14:42

Guzman is absolute class, not only are his skills exceptional, but he's good to watch too, his last fight was very impressive indeed.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 13 Jan 2008, 14:59

TerribleTerry wrote:
Horse wrote:Guzman is hideously overated.
His dig might be over rated but his skills are elite world class.

How can you over rate someone who is as good as Guzman??.

By saying things like he will "annihilate Arthur inside 2 to 3 rounds".

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 13 Jan 2008, 15:09

arthur may as well have no chin on the world stage, hes been rocked many times at domestic level.

I hope he mans up and takes this fight and I hope Guzman for some reason refuses to let go of the WBO title giving frankie no excuses.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 13 Jan 2008, 15:16

Franky will arse about, Guzman will get fed up drop the belt and Arthur will fight Kakhabar Gogohdgsjdhywsjsnadze for the vacant title with SN claiming Guzman ducked his man even though he fights the Marquez-Pacquiao winner instead of AAA.

Another British "world" champion, more spurious defences of a paper crown on Setanta and call me mystic meg in a few months time

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