ali over rated

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 22 Dec 2007, 01:32

Collins2000 wrote:
RAPID1 wrote:Was ALI was overated?.... Absolutely...was given many fights that everyone knows he lost. His greatest abilities as follows:
Ability to take punishment.
To run around the ring without points being deducted by the Ref.
Allowed to constantly grab and hook his opponents behind the head... round after round... without points being deducted.
And the greatest of all was ability to try and create distractions/diversion so that attention would be directed away from the other fighter in the ring.
Fortunately, plenty of knowledgable boxing fans actually did pay attention to what his opponents were doing in the ring and did not get caught up in any of the nonsence.
This bloke makes crankberry seem sane.

They ought to create a room just for Ali haters...

RAPID,

Your post has put collins in a state of agony.

Those who genuflect at the Shrine of Ali, like clueless collins,
demand a ONE-WAY communication when it comes to the worshipping the media-created fraud upon which their Religion of Ali is based.

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p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 22 Dec 2007, 02:44

Collins2000 wrote:
RAPID1 wrote:Was ALI was overated?.... Absolutely...was given many fights that everyone knows he lost. His greatest abilities as follows:
Ability to take punishment.
To run around the ring without points being deducted by the Ref.
Allowed to constantly grab and hook his opponents behind the head... round after round... without points being deducted.
And the greatest of all was ability to try and create distractions/diversion so that attention would be directed away from the other fighter in the ring.
Fortunately, plenty of knowledgable boxing fans actually did pay attention to what his opponents were doing in the ring and did not get caught up in any of the nonsence.
This bloke makes crankberry seem sane.

They ought to create a room just for Ali haters...

granberry is an idiot as well as this guy

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 22 Dec 2007, 07:14

p4p1 wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
RAPID1 wrote:Was ALI was overated?.... Absolutely...was given many fights that everyone knows he lost. His greatest abilities as follows:
Ability to take punishment.
To run around the ring without points being deducted by the Ref.
Allowed to constantly grab and hook his opponents behind the head... round after round... without points being deducted.
And the greatest of all was ability to try and create distractions/diversion so that attention would be directed away from the other fighter in the ring.
Fortunately, plenty of knowledgable boxing fans actually did pay attention to what his opponents were doing in the ring and did not get caught up in any of the nonsence.
This bloke makes crankberry seem sane.

They ought to create a room just for Ali haters...
granberry is an idiot as well as this guy

Yeah, but at least crankberries stories aren't meant to be taken literally. They are just therapy. Whereas this clown appears to genuinely believe this 'nonsence'.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 22 Dec 2007, 09:51

Ok...I'll take a guess here. The third round of the Ellis-Ali fight was when Big George first got the idea of his now famous "George Foreman Grill". He witnessed the awful human grilling taking place before his eyes and said to himself "Perhaps this power of grilling can be used to benefit the average citizen rather than to destroy lives"!

And Voila! Many years later he acted upon this urge and now we all have benefited from the moment.

Sort of like the Space program and teflon story.

How'd I do gran?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 22 Dec 2007, 10:22

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Worshippers at the SHRINE OF ALI demand a ONE-WAY communication.

NO ONE has a right to do anything except regurgitate the tired dogma of their RELIGION OF ALI.
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BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 22 Dec 2007, 10:41

granberry wrote:.
Worshippers at the SHRINE OF ALI demand a ONE-WAY communication.

NO ONE has a right to do anything except regurgitate the tired dogma of their RELIGION OF ALI.
.

Well then at least tell us what DID happen during that round...Or do I really have to go into the attic and have someone take my 8mm version and turn it into a DVD in order find out?

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 22 Dec 2007, 16:18

BoxBuzz wrote:
granberry wrote:.
Worshippers at the SHRINE OF ALI demand a ONE-WAY communication.

NO ONE has a right to do anything except regurgitate the tired dogma of their RELIGION OF ALI.
.
Well then at least tell us what DID happen during that round...Or do I really have to go into the attic and have someone take my 8mm version and turn it into a DVD in order find out?

Why bother? It will be something that only Crankberry can see.

You already know what really happened. Ali gave him a boxing lesson and made another good fighter look ordinary. No doubt this would have been another Ali fight where Crankberry had to rock up to work the next day and explain why his prediction was once again completely wrong. He's been looking for excuses ever since, no doubt.

The Ali haters cannot be reasoned with any more than any other conspiracy theorist can be reasoned with. Basically they are nutcases and usually, as in the case of Crankberry, very bitter that no one takes them seriously.

RAPID1 · Post by **RAPID1** » 22 Dec 2007, 17:12

granberry Very well told. You actually exposed....correction collins 2000
who doesn't realize that it's 2007...and ps1p1pp he's tottaly confused...
exposed themselves. Unforntunately you guys missed out on some great fights. You never understood that there was other great fighters and
you clearly show your blind allegiance when intelligent fight fans like granberry attempt to educate you. Don't waste your time and effort granberry, these guys are the true haters as they have just proven.
They will defend this guy to the end.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 22 Dec 2007, 17:25

RAPID1 wrote:granberry Very well told. You actually exposed....correction collins 2000
who doesn't realize that it's 2007...and ps1p1pp he's tottaly confused...
exposed themselves. Unforntunately you guys missed out on some great fights. You never understood that there was other great fighters and
you clearly show your blind allegiance when intelligent fight fans like granberry attempt to educate you. Don't waste your time and effort granberry, these guys are the true haters as they have just proven.
They will defend this guy to the end.

How come most of the Ali haters are almost illiterate?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 22 Dec 2007, 18:01

RAPID1 wrote:Don't waste your time and effort granberry, these guys are the true haters as they have just proven.
They will defend this guy to the end.

Believe me, RAPID, I waste a MINIMUM amount of time.

Why don't you ask the two Ali shills who work in tandem here

to whine and complain about your SPOT ON comment that their hero was

"Allowed to constantly grab and hook his opponentsbehind the head... round after round... without points being deducted. "

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 24 Dec 2007, 04:43

The 4th round is included here, for everyone to watch.

http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/sear ... rrell-part

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 24 Dec 2007, 07:30

Nice video, Dempseyfire...

I can only imagine Lennox Lewis in there... Smacking the shit out of Ali.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 24 Dec 2007, 10:44

well i watched the 3rd round and it was closeich(only because ali doesnt do any work on the inside most of the time) when ali was at range he was taging terrel at will and landed the cleaner shots.... so what fight were you watching granberry because it defiantly wasnt that one

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 24 Dec 2007, 12:12

p4p1 wrote:well i watched the 3rd round and it was closeich(only because ali doesnt do any work on the inside most of the time) when ali was at range he was taging terrel at will and landed the cleaner shots.... so what fight were you watching granberry because it defiantly wasnt that one

The Ali shills are blind as bats and clueless since their Thomas Hausers and Bert Sugars won't allow them to know what happened in the third round of the Ali-Terrell fight.

What a pathetic crew.

This thread is testimony to the cluelessness of the members of the Religion of Ali.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 24 Dec 2007, 12:44

granberry wrote:
p4p1 wrote:well i watched the 3rd round and it was closeich(only because ali doesnt do any work on the inside most of the time) when ali was at range he was taging terrel at will and landed the cleaner shots.... so what fight were you watching granberry because it defiantly wasnt that one
The Ali shills are blind as bats and clueless since their Thomas Hausers and Bert Sugars won't allow them to know what happened in the third round of the Ali-Terrell fight.

What a pathetic crew.

This thread is testimony to the cluelessness of the members of the Religion of Ali.

i watched the round and dont see anything pethetic about it the only thing ali did rong was hold the back of terrells head and talk to him he still was beating him.... just exept that you are wrong

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 Dec 2007, 12:47

granberry wrote:
p4p1 wrote:well i watched the 3rd round and it was closeich(only because ali doesnt do any work on the inside most of the time) when ali was at range he was taging terrel at will and landed the cleaner shots.... so what fight were you watching granberry because it defiantly wasnt that one
The Ali shills are blind as bats and clueless since their Thomas Hausers and Bert Sugars won't allow them to know what happened in the third round of the Ali-Terrell fight.

What a pathetic crew.

This thread is testimony to the cluelessness of the members of the Religion of Ali.

You know granberry I had been asking this question for quite some time before you finally came up with the "third round mystery". Is the third round that is available edited somehow? I KNOW that my 8mm version is virgin and unedited so if there is mystery I suppose I can dig it up and find it IF the cellulose is still of good integrity.

granberry if an event took place besides the alleged thumbing why are you so mysterious about it? Just tell us and we can decide for ourselves if it is a credible claim. Like you say if we are brainwashed then it's hopeless anyway. But on the chance that we are open minded it would make a good discussion.

I can tell you that no one in the crowd walked out that night believing that they had witnessed anything more or less than a good old fashioned one sided thrashing.

Well some of the old champs could not understand why Ali did/could not put him away....I'm sure you'll say that it's because he did not have the ability....the Ali worshippers say that it was because Ali just didn't have it in him. Some say it's because he just wanted him to be awake and in pain. You sort of have to watch the fight and decide for yourself I guess.

It appears on the surface that it is a very one sided affair. I'd still like to know the secret of the third round that I or PFP simply do not have the ability to discover on our own. If no other reason than that I may gain in character and humility knowledge and thus wisdom.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 26 Dec 2007, 03:55

Dingleberry is a lot more stuck on Ali than any Ali fan. I could write a list of Ali's faults that would be five hundred times more legitimate than granberry's talking points. You can point out flaws in any fighter, doesn't take much of a boxing mind to do that. The fact is all fighters had faults, but few have the hardcore critics that Ali has. If you looked hard enough and twisted things enough you could come up with a long list of Robinson and Louis' or Dempsey and Tunney's or Duran and Chavez's or Leonard and Hagler's faults. That wouldn't change the fact that they are some of the greatest of all time. Same with Ali.

Its like Mayweather today. Some either go too far and try to make him into a top 10 all time great, some make him out to be some sort of ordinary fighter, when he's clearly not at either extreme. Ali is not the greatest fighter of all time or the greatest athlete of all time, as some would make him out to be, but he's hardly some sort of media creation as dingleberry claims him to be. I rank him the greatest Heavyweight, top five pound for pound, but I think Robinson and Armstrong and Pep and maybe a couple of others are clearly ahead of him. I wouldn't even say that Ali is miles ahead of Joe Louis, though I think he's clearly the better of the two.

I suppose my point is that it would be nice if there could be some moderation in Ali discussions. But, please, spare me the Doug Jones and Henry Cooper nonsense, or the idea that Ali only beat Terrell and Patterson because of their injuries. These notions are simply figments of the imaginations of the Ali haters. As for dingleberry, I think he's made it quite clear in past posts that his dislike of Ali is more personal than it is boxing related; he hates Ali because he's a liberal Mohammedan who wouldn't go to Vietnam. Which is fine. But don't claim that your criticisms of Ali have to do with boxing; they clearly don't. Granberry would probably hate Ali if Ali were chemist or a stenographer. I'm sure some of his criticisms of Ali's boxing style are legitimate, but the vast majority are frivolous nonsense. He's simply grasping at straws.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Dec 2007, 04:06

The worshippers at the Shrine of Ali demand a ONE-WAY communication.

They demand that everyone grovel with them as they prostrate themselves for their Religion of Ali.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 26 Dec 2007, 04:15

Ali's middleground is at a premium in every forum I've ever come across.

BERNARD BRIGGS. · Post by **BERNARD BRIGGS.** » 15 Jan 2008, 21:30

what do you mean middleground???

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 15 Jan 2008, 21:35

Damn, this thread has enough stamina to outlast Jim Jeffries & then engage in a light spot of battle royale.

By middleground, I meant people who aren't too hung up on him one way or another. There's always plenty of lovers, &, in many cases, just as many haters. There are far fewer objective observers.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 16 Jan 2008, 04:07

I'd have to say this thread, outside of the Marciano thread I created, is just about the most heated/debated thread that I seen in a long time. When it comes to Marciano and Ali, it seems there's no fighter bigger than those two.

BERNARD BRIGGS. · Post by **BERNARD BRIGGS.** » 13 May 2008, 21:29

ali was like mundine and akways fought his fighters 2 years after there prime

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 13 May 2008, 21:37

BERNARD BRIGGS. wrote:ali was like mundine and akways fought his fighters 2 years after there prime

you must be joking they are nothing alike ali fought the best beat the best at the time they were on offer he didnt duck or hide from anyone

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 13 May 2008, 21:38

BERNARD BRIGGS. wrote:ali was like mundine and akways fought his fighters 2 years after there prime

Bernard,

I don't know much about Mundine; can you give more detail on this?

From his record Mundine looks impressive.