Anthony Mundine giving an interview at doghouse boxing.....
"AM: I really feel that the general boxing fans and the journalists are starting to give me my props. They are starting realize that all my fights are going to be mismatches. They said Danny Green was going to be a tough fight, they said that Sam Soliman was going to be a tough fight, so they’re all going to be mismatches. As long as I’m right, as long as I prepare right, ain’t no-one can stand with me."
What do others think?
the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
I saw a link to this article on the front page of Boxrec. I didn't even follow the link. The title said something like Mundine compares himself to Mayweather. I understand that Mundine follows the 'talk it big' hype that we see in the States, but I've had enough. He is right though, his last couple of fights were mis-matches.
How long have you been waiting to use that one? :P
the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard
The majority of times Choc's just doing what he has to for promotion. He don't care if the press or certain people make a big deal about the comments he makes as long as he gets the word out that a fights due. I remember when he first went pro certain reporters at a certain paper couldn't bag him quick enough....doesn't matter what he says he proved his critics wrong.
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They won't be proved wrong until he beats a current world champion and stops fighting BUMS.shell09 wrote:The majority of times Choc's just doing what he has to for promotion. He don't care if the press or certain people make a big deal about the comments he makes as long as he gets the word out that a fights due. I remember when he first went pro certain reporters at a certain paper couldn't bag him quick enough....doesn't matter what he says he proved his critics wrong.
the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard
I often wonder where people are coming from when they bag Choc regarding the guys he is fighting. What's the rush? Is he terminal?they won't be proved wrong until he beats some current world champs and stops fighting bums
This isn't a guy like Kostya who fought over 250 amatuer bouts before going pro. Anthony has been a work in progress and I believe that apart from fighting Ottke after only nine or ten fights they've got it spot on.
When he lost to Manny Siaca it was obvious that he had a few problems that needed to be ironed out. Fighting on the outside and laying against the ropes will work more often than not for a guy of Choc's ability....but not against world class opositon, especially if they have a reach advantage and power to make you pay.
Mundine, and those around him that know a hook from an uppercut, knew that he had to change his style so he could fight on the inside effectively. He went over to the US to train with Roy Jones Jr (and his old man I believe) returning with a style that complemented his skills as we saw with his fight against Sean Sullivan at the Whitlam Center at Liverpool.
Gone was the Ali impersonator and in was the new Mundine. Problem was he probably took the Kessler fight a little to early as he hadn't had enough fights to perfect his change in style. At times he looked great against the smart Dane but there were occasions where he reverted back to his old habits when placed under presure. He came out of that bout heading in the right direction the simple fact is that he still hadn't reached his full potential. The impressive victories over Danny Green and Sam Soliman almost had him there but the drama with his eye set him back a couple of fights.
I have no doubt that the fight against Nader Hamdan is his launching pad into the big time. Should Choc be as impressive as his team expects you won't have to worry about "bums" being in the same ring as Choc.
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If he isn't ready then he shouldn't hold a belt. He should have gone amateur for a while before going pro. The problem is that apart from 3 or 4 of his fights they have ALL been tune ups. Mundine has the talent, how many more tune ups does he need? And while no, he isn't terminal he is getting on in boxing years. Mid 30s is approaching old age and the more bums he has on his resume the less a big name opponenent has to gain from fighting him.shell09 wrote:I often wonder where people are coming from when they bag Choc regarding the guys he is fighting. What's the rush? Is he terminal?they won't be proved wrong until he beats some current world champs and stops fighting bums
This isn't a guy like Kostya who fought over 250 amatuer bouts before going pro. Anthony has been a work in progress and I believe that apart from fighting Ottke after only nine or ten fights they've got it spot on.
When he lost to Manny Siaca it was obvious that he had a few problems that needed to be ironed out. Fighting on the outside and laying against the ropes will work more often than not for a guy of Choc's ability....but not against world class opositon, especially if they have a reach advantage and power to make you pay.
Mundine, and those around him that know a hook from an uppercut, knew that he had to change his style so he could fight on the inside effectively. He went over to the US to train with Roy Jones Jr (and his old man I believe) returning with a style that complemented his skills as we saw with his fight against Sean Sullivan at the Whitlam Center at Liverpool.
Gone was the Ali impersonator and in was the new Mundine. Problem was he probably took the Kessler fight a little to early as he hadn't had enough fights to perfect his change in style. At times he looked great against the smart Dane but there were occasions where he reverted back to his old habits when placed under presure. He came out of that bout heading in the right direction the simple fact is that he still hadn't reached his full potential. The impressive victories over Danny Green and Sam Soliman almost had him there but the drama with his eye set him back a couple of fights.
I have no doubt that the fight against Nader Hamdan is his launching pad into the big time. Should Choc be as impressive as his team expects you won't have to worry about "bums" being in the same ring as Choc.
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Don't expect to get much support on these boards posting level headed assesments like that about Mundine....shell09 wrote:I often wonder where people are coming from when they bag Choc regarding the guys he is fighting. What's the rush? Is he terminal?they won't be proved wrong until he beats some current world champs and stops fighting bums
This isn't a guy like Kostya who fought over 250 amatuer bouts before going pro. Anthony has been a work in progress and I believe that apart from fighting Ottke after only nine or ten fights they've got it spot on.
When he lost to Manny Siaca it was obvious that he had a few problems that needed to be ironed out. Fighting on the outside and laying against the ropes will work more often than not for a guy of Choc's ability....but not against world class opositon, especially if they have a reach advantage and power to make you pay.
Mundine, and those around him that know a hook from an uppercut, knew that he had to change his style so he could fight on the inside effectively. He went over to the US to train with Roy Jones Jr (and his old man I believe) returning with a style that complemented his skills as we saw with his fight against Sean Sullivan at the Whitlam Center at Liverpool.
Gone was the Ali impersonator and in was the new Mundine. Problem was he probably took the Kessler fight a little to early as he hadn't had enough fights to perfect his change in style. At times he looked great against the smart Dane but there were occasions where he reverted back to his old habits when placed under presure. He came out of that bout heading in the right direction the simple fact is that he still hadn't reached his full potential. The impressive victories over Danny Green and Sam Soliman almost had him there but the drama with his eye set him back a couple of fights.
I have no doubt that the fight against Nader Hamdan is his launching pad into the big time. Should Choc be as impressive as his team expects you won't have to worry about "bums" being in the same ring as Choc.
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How is that level headed? It's like saying Lleyton Hewitt should only be playing tennis against people outside the top 100 because he feels like he isn't ready to face the best but he should still win the grand slam when he beats them.woe31 wrote:Don't expect to get much support on these boards posting level headed assesments like that about Mundine....shell09 wrote:I often wonder where people are coming from when they bag Choc regarding the guys he is fighting. What's the rush? Is he terminal?they won't be proved wrong until he beats some current world champs and stops fighting bums
This isn't a guy like Kostya who fought over 250 amatuer bouts before going pro. Anthony has been a work in progress and I believe that apart from fighting Ottke after only nine or ten fights they've got it spot on.
When he lost to Manny Siaca it was obvious that he had a few problems that needed to be ironed out. Fighting on the outside and laying against the ropes will work more often than not for a guy of Choc's ability....but not against world class opositon, especially if they have a reach advantage and power to make you pay.
Mundine, and those around him that know a hook from an uppercut, knew that he had to change his style so he could fight on the inside effectively. He went over to the US to train with Roy Jones Jr (and his old man I believe) returning with a style that complemented his skills as we saw with his fight against Sean Sullivan at the Whitlam Center at Liverpool.
Gone was the Ali impersonator and in was the new Mundine. Problem was he probably took the Kessler fight a little to early as he hadn't had enough fights to perfect his change in style. At times he looked great against the smart Dane but there were occasions where he reverted back to his old habits when placed under presure. He came out of that bout heading in the right direction the simple fact is that he still hadn't reached his full potential. The impressive victories over Danny Green and Sam Soliman almost had him there but the drama with his eye set him back a couple of fights.
I have no doubt that the fight against Nader Hamdan is his launching pad into the big time. Should Choc be as impressive as his team expects you won't have to worry about "bums" being in the same ring as Choc.
Do you honestly believe Mundines "title" defences have been anything other then a farce?
the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard
The point I was making is that compared to the champions and top contenders in the super middleweight division he is still relatively inexperienced. The guys everyone wants him to fight (whoever that is because no-one has mentioned anyone) have got to where they are after 10 to 20+ years of fine tuning their game.
Anthony is in great shape and looks far from being a fighter on the decline so it only makes sense that he should take his time fighting "bums" (I hate that word when it comes to boxers as it's so disrespectful) so that he may fine tune his game, enabling him to be more than ready when the time comes.
I am curious to know who you guys think he should fight considering both Kessler and Calzaghe turned him down.
Anthony is in great shape and looks far from being a fighter on the decline so it only makes sense that he should take his time fighting "bums" (I hate that word when it comes to boxers as it's so disrespectful) so that he may fine tune his game, enabling him to be more than ready when the time comes.
I am curious to know who you guys think he should fight considering both Kessler and Calzaghe turned him down.
I don't think you really got it. Mundine claims to be a champion yet he defends his "title" against sub standard opposition. Mac is asking whether a tennis play could be a grand slam champion whlie only facing sub standard opposition...woe31 wrote:Yeah, great analogy. Comparing a guy who's been playing the same sport for most of his life to a guy who became a professional after limited experience. Maybe if Lleyton took up pro darts and only wanted to play guys outside of the top 100 it would work.Marlin wrote:Nice analogy calmac
Yes I no it is different being a tournament but I get what mac is saying.
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What part of it don't you agree with?calmac66 wrote:[
How is that level headed? It's like saying Lleyton Hewitt should only be playing tennis against people outside the top 100 because he feels like he isn't ready to face the best but he should still win the grand slam when he beats them.
Do you honestly believe Mundines "title" defences have been anything other then a farce?
As for the "title" defences, it's not a real title. If the champion wont fight him and he can't campaign for one of the other belts, who do you want him to fight? If Joe's move to 175 is permanant (or he retires in the near future) and Mundine is made WBA full 168, you will see a marked improvment in his competition.
What's his undercard got to do with it?Marlin wrote:Mundine still picks who he fights. For further proof you just have to look at his undercards to see what his team considers good matchmaking...
So who should he be fighting next Marlin?
Something that is often overlooked is that there aren't many people that want to fight Mundine. What contender would?
the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard
BTW Marlin, I was reading on another post you asked about the situation with the WBA's regular champion and do they have mandatories.
The answer is NO but the Super Champion (Calzaghe) is meant to fight the regular champion within 21 months. Because Joe only recently won that title off Kessler he wouldn't have to fight Mundine until June-July 2009.
By then he will have had his last couple of big fights.
The answer is NO but the Super Champion (Calzaghe) is meant to fight the regular champion within 21 months. Because Joe only recently won that title off Kessler he wouldn't have to fight Mundine until June-July 2009.
By then he will have had his last couple of big fights.
If you read the post I mention the undercard in terms of what Team Mundine consider good matchmaking i.e. his under card fights are usually as big a mismatch as his fights...shell09 wrote:What's his undercard got to do with it?Marlin wrote:Mundine still picks who he fights. For further proof you just have to look at his undercards to see what his team considers good matchmaking...
So who should he be fighting next Marlin?
Something that is often overlooked is that there aren't many people that want to fight Mundine. What contender would?
How about someone in the top ten?
Yup most top contenders must be shaking in there boots at the prospect of fighting someone who was knocked out cold by Ottke and lost to Siaca...
If he wasn't ready for it he shouldn't have turned pro. You are basically saying that Mundines fights are glorified sparring sessions that he charges $50 for people to watch. You still didn't answer my question, do you think they are legit fights?woe31 wrote:Yeah, great analogy. Comparing a guy who's been playing the same sport for most of his life to a guy who became a professional after limited experience. Maybe if Lleyton took up pro darts and only wanted to play guys outside of the top 100 it would work.Marlin wrote:Nice analogy calmac
Also, stop acting like the WBA is the only belt in the division, I know that Kessler/Calzaghe held the WBA,WBO and WBC between them but Mundine could have challenged Steiglitz before Berrio got him or Berrio before Bute or he could have fought Beyer before Kessler got him or he could at least be fighting decent SMWs like Andrade, Lacy, fornicate even Manfredo Jr or Larsen would be a massive step up from his last few fights.