You guys did a good job digging for information.
It's a little surprising that Carpentier fought inside as much as he did.
The differing accounts of who was really winning was interesting. It may have been one of those fights that is very hard to score; Carpentier landing more often but Jeannette landing the bigger blows. Sounds like there may have been several rounds that could be scored either way.
Or of course, one of the two sources is simply way off.
For now, I guess we should consider it a fair verdict for Jeannette, though it was a competitive fight.
It's kind of interesting reading about these two guys. You don't hear much about Carpentier anymore; which is too bad because he was a great fighter. There seems to be a bit of resurgence of interest in Jeannette.
Jeannette-Carpentier, Who was better?
Jeanette was NOT a top rated heavyweight in the 1920's.
Jeanette had only one fight in the 1920's.
His other 164 fights took place before the 1920's.
Jeanette was a top rated heavyweight IN THE TEENS when Jack Johnson was champion and REFUSED to fight him (just as Jack Johnson refused to defend his title against Sam Langford or Sam McVey).
Georges Carpentier was born in 1894 and was 20 years old in 1914 when he fought Jeanette.
Carpentier did not win the LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT title until SIX YEARS later--in 1920.
The total ignorance of TIME in many of the above posts is pathetic.
Jeanette had only one fight in the 1920's.
His other 164 fights took place before the 1920's.
Jeanette was a top rated heavyweight IN THE TEENS when Jack Johnson was champion and REFUSED to fight him (just as Jack Johnson refused to defend his title against Sam Langford or Sam McVey).
Georges Carpentier was born in 1894 and was 20 years old in 1914 when he fought Jeanette.
Carpentier did not win the LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT title until SIX YEARS later--in 1920.
The total ignorance of TIME in many of the above posts is pathetic.
1910-1920's is not 1910,1920's or 1910's-1920's, pathetic.It's the years 1910 to 1920 inclusive.
Everybody knew that Carpentier was 20 years old when he fought Jeannette, what's your point?
"Carpentier did not win the LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT title until SIX YEARS later--in 1920." What's that about?
Nobody suggested Johnson did not dodge Jeannette.
BTW Jeannette had 165 fights prior to 1920, care to name the extra fight?
p.s. Are you ok?
Everybody knew that Carpentier was 20 years old when he fought Jeannette, what's your point?
"Carpentier did not win the LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT title until SIX YEARS later--in 1920." What's that about?
Nobody suggested Johnson did not dodge Jeannette.
BTW Jeannette had 165 fights prior to 1920, care to name the extra fight?
p.s. Are you ok?
Sounds like ol' Grouseberry work up on the wrong side of the sidewalk this morning.
Great writeups. As for the 1st round knockdown of Jeannette by Carpentier, I'd be inclined to want to check at least one other neutral source on that. Carpentier did have a helluva' right hand smash that nearly put Dempsey down years later, so I could see him catching Jeannette cold early.
Cap
Great writeups. As for the 1st round knockdown of Jeannette by Carpentier, I'd be inclined to want to check at least one other neutral source on that. Carpentier did have a helluva' right hand smash that nearly put Dempsey down years later, so I could see him catching Jeannette cold early.
Cap
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Actually english with a "gibb" accent.granberry wrote:Gibberish.BoxBuzz wrote:Jeanette may be the most under rated of all time. But there is not enough empircal evidence left to secure a good re-evaluation. Or at least that is the way it seems.
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So please express clearly what it is you disagree with....
*my assertion that he may be underrated?
*my assertion that there is little clear emprical evidence to render a judgement?
*Or my assertion that it "seems" that way.
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"Boxing" has Jeannette down in the first, I think there is no doubt about it but it's not really surprising as whatever his limitations, Carp could hit. Add in the fact that Jeannette could be hit and was occasionally floored it is quite believable.
The more I learn about this bout, the more I agree that it seems to have been a clash of styles and effectiveness and people saw the winner as the type of stylist that they prefered and rated, Hagler/Leonard like.
The more I learn about this bout, the more I agree that it seems to have been a clash of styles and effectiveness and people saw the winner as the type of stylist that they prefered and rated, Hagler/Leonard like.