Fights That Didn't Look Right To You

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 Jan 2008, 22:11

Stop it....Do you know how I know that granberry knows what he is talking about? Because he himself told me he does. Are you saying he's not always being authentic and true?

Say it aint so.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 25 Jan 2008, 22:20

Clueless Buzz is incompetent.

Buzz, you tired Leonard shill.

Repeat after me: "I genuflect at the shrine of Leonard."

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 25 Jan 2008, 22:29

I genuflect for no man. Only for females and beer....oh and females with beer.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 25 Jan 2008, 22:31

Try it. It feels pretty good. Any errors you've made just wash away when you fire at someone like that. You feel like you know something they don't. That's power :)

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jan 2008, 22:31

Goodnight, Irene wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
granberry wrote: Irene doesn't know that in the Leonard-Duran fake (#2)

Duran walked away IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROUND.

Color Irene incompetent.
I gotta go with granberry here. Why are people bringing up the quitting on stool scenario?
Duran quit. When a fighter quits, it's a TKO, irrespective of where in the ring they are at the time they make the decision.

According the boxing "rule" book of clueless Irene.

For the Irenes of the world, the "rules" are whatever fits your own agenda.

Anyone who calls the Leonard-Duran fake (#2) a KO is a guaranteed shill.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 25 Jan 2008, 22:43

"According the boxing "rule" book of clueless Irene.

For the Irenes of the world, the "rules" are whatever fits your own agenda.

Anyone who calls the Leonard-Duran fake (#2) a KO is a guaranteed shill." - Gran

That second line is quote of the century. If we all live to see 2099, we will not see another like it.

"For the Irene's of the world, the, "rules" are whatever fits your own agenda."

Kettle? Pot? You just became my new favourite member, Gran. I laughed so hard my sides hurt. Buzz --- or for that matter, any other moderator --- I humbly implore you, let us have signatures in our profiles, so that I may include this at the conclusion of each post.

Hats off to you, Gran. You're alright in my book. I'd knuckle your head & tell you you're a loveable little scamp, but I've got a feeling you wouldn't appreciate it

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jan 2008, 22:47

Goodnight, Irene wrote:"According the boxing "rule" book of clueless Irene.

For the Irenes of the world, the "rules" are whatever fits your own agenda.

Anyone who calls the Leonard-Duran fake (#2) a KO is a guaranteed shill." - Gran

That second line is quote of the century. If we all live to see 2099, we will not see another like it.

"For the Irene's of the world, the, "rules" are whatever fits your own agenda."

Kettle? Pot? You just became my new favourite member, Gran. I laughed so hard my sides hurt. Buzz --- or any other moderator --- I humbly implore you, let us have signatures in our profiles, so that I may include this at the conclusion of each post.

Hats off to you, Gran. You're alright in my book. I'd knuckle your head & tell you you're a loveable little scamp, but I've got a feeling you wouldn't appreciate it

Irene,

You would be safer trying to knuckle your own fat head.

That would definitely be a safer choice if your value your health.

I advise you to stick close to your internet keyboard.

The real world is a nasty place out there.

Don't make the mistake of finding yourself exposed in it.

Good luck.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 25 Jan 2008, 22:49

granberry wrote:Anyone who calls the Leonard-Duran fake (#2) a KO is a guaranteed shill.

Mendacious bullshit.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Jan 2008, 23:02

The Leonard-Duran fake (#2) is a "fight" for the clueless.

That "fight" was a landmark.

The "news" media refused to quote a single former champion's comments on that "fight."

I wonder why?

As sportscaster George Michael said on his sports broadcast later that evening,

"Tonight wrestling fans are laughing at boxing fans."

Only the Irenes of the world can swallow garbage like that.

As far as the Irene's of the world know, that is "boxing."

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 25 Jan 2008, 23:46

No one said it was a good fight, dipshit. Few people liked how the two fighters behaved. What we do know is that you're full of shit in your claims to some sort of exclusive boxing knowledge when you don't even know the rule on what happens to a fighter when he quits in the middle of a round.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 26 Jan 2008, 00:27

Collins2000 wrote:
Goodnight, Irene wrote:
Collins2000 wrote: I gotta go with granberry here. Why are people bringing up the quitting on stool scenario?
Duran quit. When a fighter quits, it's a TKO, irrespective of where in the ring they are at the time they make the decision.

Yes, but why give examples of fighters quitting on stools?

It doesn't fit the scenario.

Of course, we all know why Buzzy supported that example - he's never seen the fight in question. But still he feels a desire, nay, an absolute need, to add his 'thoughts'.

He did announce a while back that he was now "a novice historian". Hahahahaha, he got the novice bit right anyway.

Which fight are you referencing that I have "not seen"?

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 26 Jan 2008, 00:45

granberry wrote:The Leonard-Duran fake (#2) is a "fight" for the clueless.

That "fight" was a landmark.

The "news" media refused to quote a single former champion's comments on that "fight."

I wonder why?

As sportscaster George Michael said on his sports broadcast later that evening,

"Tonight wrestling fans are laughing at boxing fans."

Only the Irenes of the world can swallow garbage like that.

As far as the Irene's of the world know, that is "boxing."

You're alright in my book, Gran

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 26 Jan 2008, 01:02

"Yes, but why give examples of fighters quitting on stools?

It doesn't fit the scenario..." - C2

The end result is the same. A fighter isn't disqualified for quitting on his stool, nor is he disqualified for quitting at any other time. That's a TKO.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 26 Jan 2008, 02:31

Goodnight, Irene wrote:"Yes, but why give examples of fighters quitting on stools?

It doesn't fit the scenario..." - C2

The end result is the same. A fighter isn't disqualified for quitting on his stool, nor is he disqualified for quitting at any other time. That's a TKO.

We all know that, apart from granberry and boxbuzz. I just find it odd that you tried to make the point by giving examples of a completely different scenario.

It's obvious you are not going to answer my question, so let's leave it there.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 26 Jan 2008, 02:35

BoxBuzz wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
Goodnight, Irene wrote: Duran quit. When a fighter quits, it's a TKO, irrespective of where in the ring they are at the time they make the decision.

Yes, but why give examples of fighters quitting on stools?

It doesn't fit the scenario.

Of course, we all know why Buzzy supported that example - he's never seen the fight in question. But still he feels a desire, nay, an absolute need, to add his 'thoughts'.

He did announce a while back that he was now "a novice historian". Hahahahaha, he got the novice bit right anyway.
Which fight are you referencing that I have "not seen"?

Have you seen any fights? Any at all?

It's very hard to tell from your simpering posts. I sometimes wonder if you aren't here for the same reason "Bunny" sits on park benches in "Extras".

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 26 Jan 2008, 06:54

Its no doubt been said but to me the most obvious that comes to mind is Ali vs Liston 2.

In MMA..I have seen plenty more especially in the earlier days.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 26 Jan 2008, 13:50

"We all know that, apart from granberry and boxbuzz. I just find it odd that you tried to make the point by giving examples of a completely different scenario.

It's obvious you are not going to answer my question, so let's leave it there." - C2

The most common occurrence when a fighter quits, resulting in a TKO, is on his stool in the corner. I thought it would be a pretty obvious reference point, i.e. when a fighter quits on his stool, he is not disqualified, thus, when he quits in the center of the ring, he is not disqualified, either.

Does that clear it up?

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 26 Jan 2008, 13:55

"Irene,

You would be safer trying to knuckle your own fat head.

That would definitely be a safer choice if your value your health.

I advise you to stick close to your internet keyboard.

The real world is a nasty place out there.

Don't make the mistake of finding yourself exposed in it.

Good luck." - Gran

I wouldn't dream of it, Gran. You've spoken, & I've been told. Someone who is privvy to such a wealth of boxing knowledge can obviously handle himself, irrespective of age.

You're alright in my book

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 26 Jan 2008, 14:50

This DQ vs TKO aspect regarding fighters who quit on their stool or during a fight does not seem to have a pat answer. Several of the "experts" here seem to disagree.....as do some of the reporting bodies.

Due to the extreme importance of the subject I will wait to see what the more powerful minds of the sport have to say and wait for concensus before I show loyalty to one side or the other.

I have no dog in this race officially. Other than to say if I were King I would call it a TKO. If the man is not continuing for whatever reason I consider he has been technically KO'd. Though that does not seem to be the only ruling that has been used in various cases.

Speaking of dogs, If I was unclear as to my opinion earlier it may have been due to various distractions.....lately granberry and Collins have been biting at my ankles due to the fact that I have been cutting back on their treats due to their bad behavior. Lap dogs are nice but they can be prone to loud yapping and nonsensical outbursts from time to time. The only way I know how to reign them in is to cut back on their yum yums.

Other folks take more drastic action but I prefer the Dog Whisperer type of approach.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 26 Jan 2008, 15:34

BoxBuzz wrote:This DQ vs TKO aspect regarding fighters who quit on their stool or during a fight does not seem to have a pat answer. Several of the "experts" here seem to disagree.....as do some of the reporting bodies.

Due to the extreme importance of the subject I will wait to see what the more powerful minds of the sport have to say and wait for concensus before I show loyalty to one side or the other.

I have no dog in this race officially. Other than to say if I were King I would call it a TKO. If the man is not continuing for whatever reason I consider he has been technically KO'd. Though that does not seem to be the only ruling that has been used in various cases.

Speaking of dogs, If I was unclear as to my opinion earlier it may have been due to various distractions.....lately granberry and Collins have been biting at my ankles due to the fact that I have been cutting back on their treats due to their bad behavior. Lap dogs are nice but they can be prone to loud yapping and nonsensical outbursts from time to time. The only way I know how to reign them in is to cut back on their yum yums.

Other folks take more drastic action but I prefer the Dog Whisperer type of approach.

Boxbuzz, you have less spine than a jellyfish.

You were quite happy with granberry's style until your spiteful chum fell out with him.

What a fine weather fellow you turned out to be.

BTW, what 'treats' do you refer to? The only yum yums I get from you are when your posts betray your total lack of knowledge on boxing. That DOES make me laugh. Oh, I guess that is almost every one you post. Novice historian? Now that WAS a funny post.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 26 Jan 2008, 16:30

Funny, I just now saw Foreman-Qawi on youtube for the first time. It was a fight I'd wanted to see for a long time, since I always wanted to see the big size difference between the two and how that played out. Ironically (since we were just discussing this) at the end of the fight Qawi turns his back and quits and the ref waves the fight off.

And -I shouldn't even have to point this out- it was ruled a TKO... not a DQ.

I can't wait for dingleberry's next rant... it'll probably be something about Ali being on steroids...

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Jan 2008, 16:51

I Feel Fine wrote:Funny, I just now saw Foreman-Qawi on youtube for the first time. It was a fight I'd wanted to see for a long time, since I always wanted to see the big size difference between the two and how that played out. Ironically (since we were just discussing this) at the end of the fight Qawi turns his back and quits and the ref waves the fight off.

And -I shouldn't even have to point this out- it was ruled a TKO... not a DQ.

The ifeelfines here will never comprehend that Duran was not hit at all and had no reason to quit.

Since they don't have a clue what boxing is and never will.

The Duran-Leonard fake (#2) is a raw piece of crap only the clueless could swallow.

Their swallowing whole the Leonard-Duran fake (#2) shows they don't know what boxing is and are the right (clueless) audience for the media sell of the mediocre Ali and all the raw crap connected with his career..

Swallow all the horseshit they shovel at you, Ifeelfine.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 26 Jan 2008, 16:56

granberry wrote:
I Feel Fine wrote:Funny, I just now saw Foreman-Qawi on youtube for the first time. It was a fight I'd wanted to see for a long time, since I always wanted to see the big size difference between the two and how that played out. Ironically (since we were just discussing this) at the end of the fight Qawi turns his back and quits and the ref waves the fight off.

And -I shouldn't even have to point this out- it was ruled a TKO... not a DQ.

The ifeelfines here will never comprehend that Duran was not hit at all and had no reason to quit.

Since they don't have a clue what boxing is and never will.

The Duran-Leonard fake (#2) is a raw piece of crap only the clueless could swallow.

Their swallowing whole the Leonard-Duran fake (#2) shows they don't know what boxing is and are the right (clueless) audience for the media sell of the mediocre Ali and all the raw crap connected with his career..

Swallow all the horseshit they shovel at you, Ifeelfine.

Same opinion you hold regarding Liston/Ali II. So in your opinion these guys could not possibly have simply decided to stop fighting? For all you know about boxing....and I will never argue that ....you know very little about human behavior.

It is at least possible that these guys pride got the better of them at these particular moments. It is every bit as possible (perhaps considerably more so) than your theory that they chose this way to "fake" an ending or "assure" an outcome.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 26 Jan 2008, 16:56

Leonard actually did hurt Duran with a left hook earlier in the fight, and was out jabbing and countering him for much of the fight. So Duran quit out of frustration. How much punishment you're taking doesn't have "f-ck all", as the British would say, to do with whether its a TKO or not. De La Hoya wasn't exactly battering Genaro Hernandez when Hernandez quit, he was out boxing him and out landing him so Hernandez quit out of frustration.

Go take up tennis dingleberry, you're no boxing expert.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 26 Jan 2008, 16:59

Collins2000 wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:This DQ vs TKO aspect regarding fighters who quit on their stool or during a fight does not seem to have a pat answer. Several of the "experts" here seem to disagree.....as do some of the reporting bodies.

Due to the extreme importance of the subject I will wait to see what the more powerful minds of the sport have to say and wait for concensus before I show loyalty to one side or the other.

I have no dog in this race officially. Other than to say if I were King I would call it a TKO. If the man is not continuing for whatever reason I consider he has been technically KO'd. Though that does not seem to be the only ruling that has been used in various cases.

Speaking of dogs, If I was unclear as to my opinion earlier it may have been due to various distractions.....lately granberry and Collins have been biting at my ankles due to the fact that I have been cutting back on their treats due to their bad behavior. Lap dogs are nice but they can be prone to loud yapping and nonsensical outbursts from time to time. The only way I know how to reign them in is to cut back on their yum yums.

Other folks take more drastic action but I prefer the Dog Whisperer type of approach.
Boxbuzz, you have less spine than a jellyfish.

You were quite happy with granberry's style until your spiteful chum fell out with him.

What a fine weather fellow you turned out to be.

BTW, what 'treats' do you refer to? The only yum yums I get from you are when your posts betray your total lack of knowledge on boxing. That DOES make me laugh. Oh, I guess that is almost every one you post. Novice historian? Now that WAS a funny post.

That I can add to your happiness is good to know! Spent quite a bit of my life as an entertainer so I appreciate the feedback! I like diverse and coloful opinions. Including takes on my knowledge. I enjoy the sport and have no need to be "right" in every case. If you say I am wrong in almost every catagory then I will let that be judged by all and live with the outcome. I suppose I will have to stick around longer than most in order to continue to learn from those that are knowledgeable such as yourself granberry and barry. And for me the ride is interesting, entertaining and satisfying.

The issue is not "spine" the issue is a non-reactive self assured pondering of all the possiblitiies. When I'm wrong I'm wrong...no prob. However I may hold on to my wrong opinion until I am prepared to be educated by you or perhaps granberry. Then I'm sure that both of you will step forward and acknowledge my efforts and successes just as you have pointed out what I do not know about the physics, strategies, techniques, history and social impact of this sport that I do care about.

It's so much easier to be the student than the teacher. I'd hate to be the teacher with so many unruly students such as myself littering up the hallways.

In addition I am charged with the responsiblity of enforcing some rules of conversation and decorum, something I do know a bit about and although I do not do it like all the other mods I do believe I understand the spirit of that which I am charged with and intend to operate as such. Attempting to get under my skin will not get you booted, deleted or locked but breaking the rules will.

Now that approach is simply not the case for every mod and I will respect their different and unique styles. My suggestion is that you do not bait that type of mod as they may (and if fact did) choose a different path.

I had a friend once that for no darn good reason decided to chop off the back 55% of a rattlesnake and he laughed and thought that would be the end of the exchange. In fact his words to me without even looking back were " Well I guess that's that". Only to find that the front 45% decided to have a go at him and managed a good solid bite to his attackers leg. His leg hasn't been the same since. If he would have cut off just the front 5% he would have guaranteed himself no "bite backs" and could have safely turned his back on his opponent. Another question I've always pondered about him was why even pick that fight? No money, no glory, high risk, no potentional return and utlimately a very bad outcome. The snake did not have him in his sights and was busy going after a field mouse at the time. It certainly came under the heading of a "fight that didn't look right" to me.

What's my point? I forget. But I enjoyed writing about that memory since some of the folks here sometimes remind me of that friend.