Boxrec Hall of Fame Ballot (February 2008)

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 01 Feb 2008, 10:24

It's time for another Hall of Fame Election. The deadline for submitting a ballot is Noon CDT on February 15, 2008. I will total the ballots shortly after that.

A brief summary of the rules:
-A voter can vote up to 25 names. (If you vote for more than 25, your entire ballot doesn't count.)
-A fighter's last fight has to be before February 15, 1998 to be eligible.
-You can change your vote. Your last vote before the deadline will be the one counted.
-Candidates who are named on atleast 75% of the ballots are elected.
Go to the Boxrec Hall of Fame Sticky (p.2) for more complete rules.

To vote, just list your selections on this thread. (Don't put them on the Hall of Fame Sticky.)

It would be appreciated if you list your selections in alphabetical order.

It's a good idea to check every name that other voters have on their ballot. You may find someone that you overlooked.

So far there had a been a good variety of fighters from different era's, with the exception of the lack of fighters elected from the 1880's and 1890's. Hopefully people will consider the best fighters from that era. There has been decent representation of different weight classes, styles, etc. Hopefully that will continue.

Fighters already elected: Muhammad Ali,Lou Ambers,Henry Armstrong,Abe Attell,Wilfred Benitez,Panama Al Brown,Charlie Burley,Tony Canzoneri,Marcel Cerdan,Ezzard Charles,Billy Conn,Jack Dempsey,Bob Fitzsimmons,Bob Foster,Joe Frazier,Joe Gans,Wilfredo Gomez,Harry Greb,Emile Griffith,Marvin Hagler,James Jeffries,Jack Johnson,Eder Jofre,Stanley Ketchel,Jake LaMotta,Sam Langford,Benny Leonard,Ray Leonard,Sonny Liston,Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,Terry McGovern,Carlos Monzon,Archie Moore,Jose Napoles,Reuben Olivares,Carlos Ortiz,Wille Pep,Ray Robinson,Barney Ross,Sandy Saddler,Salvador Sanchez,Dick Tiger,Gene Tunney,Mickey Walker,Jimmy Wilde,Ike Williams, and Carlos Zarate.

To get things started, here is my ballot:
Carmen Basilio
Nino Benvenuti
Kid Chocolate
George Dixon
Tiger Flowers
George Foreman
Gene Fullmer
Kid Gavilan
Fighting Harada
Harold Johnson
Johnny Kilbane
Dulio Loi
Tommy Loughran
Jimmy McClarnin
Kid McCoy
Packy McFarland
Manuel Ortiz
Pascual Perez
Aaron Pryor
Tommy Ryan
Vincente Saldivar
Michael Spinks
John L. Sullivan
Barbadoes Joe Walcott
Holman Williams

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 01 Feb 2008, 10:47

JIMMY BARRY
NINO BENVENUTI
ANTONIO CERVANTES
KID CHOCOLATE
YOUNG CORBETT III
LES DARCY
JACK DILLON
GEORGE DIXON
JIM DRISCOLL
KHAOSAI GALAXY
MIKE GIBBONS
TOMMY GIBBONS
YOUNG GRIFFO
JOHN HENRY LEWIS
DUILIO LOI
TOMMY LOUGHRAN
KID McCOY
PACKEY McFARLAND
JIMMY McLARNIN
FREDDIE MILLER
PHILADELPHIA JACK O'BRIEN
PASCUAL PEREZ
TOMMY RYAN
YOUNG STRIBLING
PANCHO VILLA

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 01 Feb 2008, 11:09

1 Carmen Basilio
2 Nino Benvenuti
3 Jack Britton
4 Kid Chocolate
5 Les Darcy
6 Jack Dillon
7 George Dixon
8 Jim Driscoll
9 Tiger Flowers
10 Kid Gavilan
11 Tommy Gibbons
12 Khaosai Galaxy
13 Fighting Harada
14 Harold Johnson
15 Ted Kid Lewis
16 Tommy Loughran
17 Packy McFarland
18 Mike McCallum
19 Jimmy McLarnin
20 Eusebio Pedroza
21 Pascual Perez
22 Tommy Ryan
23 Vicenete Saldivar
24 Michael Spinks
25 Barbados Joe Walcott

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 01 Feb 2008, 11:11

Dixon and Walcott should be in by now, gentlemen. Gavilan and Kid Chocolate are also glaring omissions IMO.

I hope these 4 make it this time.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 01 Feb 2008, 11:18

Ezzard

Carlos Ortiz made it in last round.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 01 Feb 2008, 12:23

Seamus wrote:Ezzard

Carlos Ortiz made it in last round.

Cheers, mate

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Feb 2008, 12:40

Ezzard wrote:Dixon and Walcott should be in by now, gentlemen. Gavilan and Kid Chocolate are also glaring omissions IMO.

I hope these 4 make it this time.

..... not to forget Carmen Basilio.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 05 Feb 2008, 09:22

Ill have mine in after work, Ill need to find my last ballot and put the names in order. A bump will never hurt the cause either.

Minotauro · Post by **Minotauro** » 06 Feb 2008, 12:28

Carmen Basilio
Nino Benvenuti
Jimmy Bivins
Eddie Booker
Kid Chocolate
George Dixon
Tiger Flowers
George Foreman
Kid Gavilan
Beau Jack
Harold Johnson
Ted Kid Lewis
Nicolino Locche
Dulio Loi
Tommy Loughran
Lloyd Marshall
Jimmy McLarnin
Mike McCallum
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Pryor
Michael Spinks
Jersey Joe Walcott
Joe Walcott (original)
Holman Williams
Fritzie Zivic

Changed it again sorry about the mistakes. Added Lloyd Marshall.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 06 Feb 2008, 13:03

Minotauro wrote:Carmen Basilio
Nino Benvenuti
Tony Canzoneri
Kid Chocolate
Billy Conn
George Dixon
Tiger Flowers
Joe Frazier
Kid Gavilan
Wilfredo Gomez
Emile Griffith
Jake LaMotta
Nicolino Locche
Dulio Loi
Tommy Loughran
Terry McGovern
Jimmy McLarnin
Mike McCallum
Ruben Oliveras
Floyd Patterson
Dick Tiger
Jersey Joe Walcott
Joe Walcott (original)
Ike Williams
Holman Williams

Minotauro, a lot of these guys are in....

Dick Tiger, Griffith, Canzoneri, Smokin' Joe...

Minotauro · Post by **Minotauro** » 06 Feb 2008, 14:01

Minotauro, a lot of these guys are in....

Dick Tiger, Griffith, Canzoneri, Smokin' Joe...[/quote]

Changed it thanks

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 06 Feb 2008, 17:11

Actually Billy Conn, Wilfredo Gomez, Jake LaMotta, Terry McGovern, Ruben Olivares and Ike Williams are already in as well.

JAHamilton77 · Post by **JAHamilton77** » 06 Feb 2008, 17:59

Antonio Cervantes
George Dixon
Mike Donovan (Professor)
Flash Elorde
Jeff Fenech
Tiger Flowers
George Foreman
Gene Fullmer
Beau Jack
Peter Jackson
Mike McCallum
Jimmy McClarnin
Kid McCoy
Packy McFarland (I finally voted for him)
Battling Nelson
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Pascual Perez
Maxie Rosenbloom
Tommy Ryan
Pancho Villa
Barbados Joe Walcott
Freddie Welsh
Harry Wills
Ad Wolgast
Chalky Wright

Ok I made the correction and took Arguello (who was already in) off my list and replaced him with Harry Wills

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 06 Feb 2008, 18:24

Thanks JA !

Alexis Arguello is DEFINITELY in. He made it we back on the 2nd ballot.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 06 Feb 2008, 19:32

Carmen Basillio
Nino Benvenuti
Kid Chocolate
Jim Corbett
Les Darcy
Jack Dillon
George Foreman
Gene Fullmer
Khaosai Galaxy
Kid Gavilan
Peter Jackson
Nicolino Locche
Dulio Loi
Tommy Loughran
Mike McCallum
Packy McFarland
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Pryor
Michael Spinks
Young Stribling
John L. Sullivan
Barbados Joe Walcott
Harry Wills
Fritze Zivic

I hope that I didnt add a name already in.

By the way guys, George Foreman is now eligible

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 06 Feb 2008, 20:05

Put me down for a Foreman vote

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 07 Feb 2008, 00:04

Carmen Basilio
Nino Benvenutti
Jack Britton
Antonio Cervantes
Kid Choclate
Flash Elorde
Tiger Flowers
George Foreman
Gene Fullmer
Khaosai Galaxy
Kid Gavilan
Fighting Harada
Beau Jack
Harold Johnson
Dulio Loi
Tommy Loughran
Mike McCallum
Bobo Olson
Floyd Patterson
Pascuel Perez
Aaron Pryor
Max Schmeling
Michael Spinks
Barbados Joe Walcott
Jersey Joe Walcott

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 07 Feb 2008, 00:57

Fred Apostoli
Carmen Basilio
Jimmy Barry
Jimmy Bivins
Jack Britton
Jim Corbett
Les Darcy
Kid Gavilan
Billy Graham
Tommy Loughran
Packey Mcfarland
Jimmy McClarnin
Bob Montgomery
Lew Jenkins
Harold Johnson
Beau Jack
Kid Lewis
Battling Nelson
Eddie Perkins

Vincente Saldivar
John L Sullivan
Freddie Steele
Pancho Villa
Ad Wolgast
Fritzie Zivic

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 07 Feb 2008, 17:14

Is there a category for boxing historian?

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 07 Feb 2008, 17:24

Is it even possible for Foreman not to get in on his first year of eligibility?

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 08 Feb 2008, 10:15

It's certainly possible that Foreman won't make it. I'm not sure everyone realizes that he is now eligible, so that may be one reason that he hasn't got a lot of support yet so far. However people can change their votes, and more people will be voting, so maybe Foreman will make it this time.

I guess we all have one or two guys that we can't believe haven't made it yet. I know Ezzard feels strongly that Kid Gavilan and Kid Chocolate should be in by now. Pundit can't believe Basilio isn't in. In the past there have been strong arguements for Packey McFarland, and also for some of the great fighters of the 1880's and 1890's.
Personally, I can't for the life of me understand why we haven't elected Michael Spinks yet. Besides Fighting Harada, he is the only fighter that you could really make a serious case as being the best of all time in his weight class that hasn't been voted in yet.

It really shows that there is a wide range of opinions. It's tough, because there are so many close calls. It is a lot of fun though. For someone to be elected, they really must have been great.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 08 Feb 2008, 10:20

Ambling Alp wrote: For someone to be elected, they really must have been great.

and that's how it should be

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 08 Feb 2008, 10:44

It baffles me no end, how guys like Joe Frazier and Sonny Liston could get in ahead of Packey McFarland, Panama Al Brown, Tommy Ryan, Kid McCoy and Pascual Perez. Not saying they weren't very good fighters, but their resumes pale in comparison. Obviously it's that huge obsession with the heavyweight division.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 08 Feb 2008, 15:00

Ezzard wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote: For someone to be elected, they really must have been great.
and that's how it should be

In that case I'd like to nominate barry for trainee junior research assistant of the year!

JAHamilton77 · Post by **JAHamilton77** » 08 Feb 2008, 15:16

Not to mention Jimmy McClarnin is still on the outside looking in.
It looks like he will finally have his day this go around though