Thank you, good points about Khans chin an St Clair lack of punch, sounds like good assessemnt, and he can boxAsterix wrote:Ross, I've only seen some footage of St Clair training and versus Diego Corrales, which was in 1998!
But based on that and the statistics (there is a size difference), I would say that it's not too much of a step up, in the sense that I believe Khan will win. Khan is very fast and powerful, and is obviously a good boxer as evidenced in the Olympics and pro fights to date. The main worries are the claims of his "lack of chin" (he was knocked down once by a light puncher), but I'm personally not too worried about that as I believe he won't make the mistake again. The mistake was basically getting too hyped up for the occasion and hanging his chin out for the punch.
Records: Amir Kahn - Gairy St Clair
p.s. I like Michael Katsidis and I hope he faces Amir Khan in the future. I think it could be a great fight.
St Clair set to take on Khan in London???
Here's Angelo Hyder talkin on eastsideboxing about the fight.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=14087&more=1
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=14087&more=1
Amir won on points, and didn't have any trouble with St. Clair. Unanimous decision, with Khan winning every round on all 3 of the judges scorecards.Brute wrote:Reports in that Amir won on points, but had to work hard for it.
St. Clair seems pretty tough. He took every shot and not once did he seem hurt.
Definitely. St. Clair did himself proud, considering the situation.Brute wrote:St.Clair had to gave away a lot of height in this fight. Khan is 178cm tall. A very tall lightweight. St.Clair is only 163cm tall.
Amir Khan is much, much faster than Gairy St. Clair. The only way Gairy had a chance, imo, was to get inside and try and rough Khan up a bit. The whole fight took place at a distance and Khan had both the speed and reach advantage to give him an easy night's work. Gairy hit Khan with some overhand rights, but didn't have the power to cause any affect.toppity wrote:must admit i was surprised to learn the result. Gairy usually has speed enough to pinch rounds off opponents. Must have been an easy night for the judges with no-one even awarding one round to Gairy.
I'm not sure. allegedly said he has no trouble making the weight, but he looks pretty big for a lightweight, and over the past year he has really developed (physically). He looks a lot more muscular than he used to. His aim is to get a World title at lightweight, so it's possible he will move up in a year or so.Brute wrote:How much longer can Khan stay at lightweight? At 5'10" he is very tall for 9 stone 9 pounds.
It's like Kelly Pavlik. How on Earth does he manage to make middleweight?!?!
No chance in hell will Khan get a belt at lightweight in the next year, He couldnt beat any of the champions at 135 he would be better off at 140 as Malinaggi couldnt crack an egg.Asterix wrote:I'm not sure. allegedly allegedly said he has no trouble making the weight, but he looks pretty big for a lightweight, and over the past year he has really developed (physically). He looks a lot more muscular than he used to. His aim is to get a World title at lightweight, so it's possible he will move up in a year or so.Brute wrote:How much longer can Khan stay at lightweight? At 5'10" he is very tall for 9 stone 9 pounds.
It's like Kelly Pavlik. How on Earth does he manage to make middleweight?!?!
I'm a big fan of St. Clair had of wished he could of won,where now for him?Should he stay at lightweight or go back 2 super featherweight ? they said in the danny green fight that William Kickett's team were lookin 2 fight him in 08.would that be a good fight for him??I'll have the video of the fight up later 2night on megavideo later tonight to watch.
Katsidis or Casamayor will probably soon be the WBO champ. So technically that's within Khan's abilities to beat one of those guys if he's developed properly in the next 10 months. The St Clair fight makes a Khan-Katsidis bout even more natural now, Khan will get home advantage etc and hold a WBO trinket within a year.ben k wrote:No chance in hell will Khan get a belt at lightweight in the next year, He couldnt beat any of the champions at 135 he would be better off at 140 as Malinaggi couldnt crack an egg.Asterix wrote:I'm not sure. allegedly allegedly allegedly said he has no trouble making the weight, but he looks pretty big for a lightweight, and over the past year he has really developed (physically). He looks a lot more muscular than he used to. His aim is to get a World title at lightweight, so it's possible he will move up in a year or so.Brute wrote:How much longer can Khan stay at lightweight? At 5'10" he is very tall for 9 stone 9 pounds.
It's like Kelly Pavlik. How on Earth does he manage to make middleweight?!?!
If he achieves this it's no worse that Juan Diaz beating Lakva Simm for the WBA.
I think Khan will do this - he has the talent, the connections, the right ppl behind him - but probably move up to light welter afterward.
the fight to download
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4JOQXNDP
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4JOQXNDP
You honestly think Katsidis or Casamayor (who both seem to be in favour with GBP) would go to England to defend their title, let alone Kahn beating them!?! Sorry I just don't see it happening...Autobarn wrote:Katsidis or Casamayor will probably soon be the WBO champ. So technically that's within Khan's abilities to beat one of those guys if he's developed properly in the next 10 months. The St Clair fight makes a Khan-Katsidis bout even more natural now, Khan will get home advantage etc and hold a WBO trinket within a year.ben k wrote:No chance in hell will Khan get a belt at lightweight in the next year, He couldnt beat any of the champions at 135 he would be better off at 140 as Malinaggi couldnt crack an egg.Asterix wrote: I'm not sure. allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly said he has no trouble making the weight, but he looks pretty big for a lightweight, and over the past year he has really developed (physically). He looks a lot more muscular than he used to. His aim is to get a World title at lightweight, so it's possible he will move up in a year or so.
It's like Kelly Pavlik. How on Earth does he manage to make middleweight?!?!
If he achieves this it's no worse that Juan Diaz beating Lakva Simm for the WBA.
I think Khan will do this - he has the talent, the connections, the right ppl behind him - but probably move up to light welter afterward.
It seems Gairy will go where ever the money is, so if Kickett can offer him enough he will probably take it. I haven't seen St Clair's last few fights so I'm not sure where he is at (hopefully I can doenload the Kahn fight and have a look, thanks for posting it).ryan711 wrote:I'm a big fan of St. Clair had of wished he could of won,where now for him?Should he stay at lightweight or go back 2 super featherweight ? they said in the danny green fight that William Kickett's team were lookin 2 fight him in 08.would that be a good fight for him??I'll have the video of the fight up later 2night on megavideo later tonight to watch.
Khan is to defencive to beat Katsidis, He was rocked by Limond can you imagine him when Katsidis is all over him.Autobarn wrote:Katsidis or Casamayor will probably soon be the WBO champ. So technically that's within Khan's abilities to beat one of those guys if he's developed properly in the next 10 months. The St Clair fight makes a Khan-Katsidis bout even more natural now, Khan will get home advantage etc and hold a WBO trinket within a year.ben k wrote:No chance in hell will Khan get a belt at lightweight in the next year, He couldnt beat any of the champions at 135 he would be better off at 140 as Malinaggi couldnt crack an egg.Asterix wrote: I'm not sure. allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly said he has no trouble making the weight, but he looks pretty big for a lightweight, and over the past year he has really developed (physically). He looks a lot more muscular than he used to. His aim is to get a World title at lightweight, so it's possible he will move up in a year or so.
It's like Kelly Pavlik. How on Earth does he manage to make middleweight?!?!
If he achieves this it's no worse that Juan Diaz beating Lakva Simm for the WBA.
I think Khan will do this - he has the talent, the connections, the right ppl behind him - but probably move up to light welter afterward.
I like Khan as a fighter as he has good skills and speed, but he was backpeddling against StClair who cant hit at all and he got hit a few times by flush right hands which would be disasterous against Katsidis.
As for Casa he is still in a diffrent league to Khabn and i think he will beat Katsidis also. He might have slipped a bit by now but he is still one hell of a fighter who has beaten the best there is at 135.
Malinaggi is a good fight for Khan and should be the one they are chasing, He cant punch and Khan has a 50/50 chance in a couple of fights.
Katsidis has fought in the UK before. It's a natural fight, for instance Khan beating St Clair makes ppl from UK and Oz more interested in Khan-Katsidis.Marlin wrote:You honestly think Katsidis or Casamayor (who both seem to be in favour with GBP) would go to England to defend their title, let alone Kahn beating them!?! Sorry I just don't see it happening...Autobarn wrote:Katsidis or Casamayor will probably soon be the WBO champ. So technically that's within Khan's abilities to beat one of those guys if he's developed properly in the next 10 months. The St Clair fight makes a Khan-Katsidis bout even more natural now, Khan will get home advantage etc and hold a WBO trinket within a year.ben k wrote: No chance in hell will Khan get a belt at lightweight in the next year, He couldnt beat any of the champions at 135 he would be better off at 140 as Malinaggi couldnt crack an egg.
If he achieves this it's no worse that Juan Diaz beating Lakva Simm for the WBA.
I think Khan will do this - he has the talent, the connections, the right ppl behind him - but probably move up to light welter afterward.
Warren has beaten Golden Boy in purse bids twice now (Harrison-Marquez, Arthur-Guzman). The question is, how much do GBP value Casamayor, at this age? Before you know it Khan will be WBO mandatory. Champ has to give up his belt if he won't defend/if the promoters don't want to send the champ over. So obviously don't count out a vacant belt either.
Admittedly Khan is still a work in progress. On the other hand, Katsidis is overrated until he skills up - he is too easy to hit and makes very hard work out of guys like Earl and Amonsot. Regardless, whether it's a year or two years, Khan will be ready on day, and Khan's ppl will make the fight at the right time, at the right location for him.ben k wrote:Khan is to defencive to beat Katsidis, He was rocked by Limond can you imagine him when Katsidis is all over him.Autobarn wrote:Katsidis or Casamayor will probably soon be the WBO champ. So technically that's within Khan's abilities to beat one of those guys if he's developed properly in the next 10 months. The St Clair fight makes a Khan-Katsidis bout even more natural now, Khan will get home advantage etc and hold a WBO trinket within a year.ben k wrote: No chance in hell will Khan get a belt at lightweight in the next year, He couldnt beat any of the champions at 135 he would be better off at 140 as Malinaggi couldnt crack an egg.
If he achieves this it's no worse that Juan Diaz beating Lakva Simm for the WBA.
I think Khan will do this - he has the talent, the connections, the right ppl behind him - but probably move up to light welter afterward.
I like Khan as a fighter as he has good skills and speed, but he was backpeddling against StClair who cant hit at all and he got hit a few times by flush right hands which would be disasterous against Katsidis.
As for Casa he is still in a diffrent league to Khabn and i think he will beat Katsidis also. He might have slipped a bit by now but he is still one hell of a fighter who has beaten the best there is at 135.
Malinaggi is a good fight for Khan and should be the one they are chasing, He cant punch and Khan has a 50/50 chance in a couple of fights.
Casa is finished.
Anyway, if this rumoured Khan-Romanov fight happens, and Khan wins, this will vault him up the rankings and set him up for something good.
I think it's far easier to get Khan a title up at light welter. UK has 3 world champs at this weight. A solid Euro champ Lynes. A dynamic Commonwealth champ, Olusegun.
Khan's a work in progress but Katsidis is overratedAutobarn wrote:Admittedly Khan is still a work in progress. On the other hand, Katsidis is overrated until he skills up - he is too easy to hit and makes very hard work out of guys like Earl and Amonsot. Regardless, whether it's a year or two years, Khan will be ready on day, and Khan's ppl will make the fight at the right time, at the right location for him.ben k wrote:Khan is to defencive to beat Katsidis, He was rocked by Limond can you imagine him when Katsidis is all over him.Autobarn wrote:Katsidis or Casamayor will probably soon be the WBO champ. So technically that's within Khan's abilities to beat one of those guys if he's developed properly in the next 10 months. The St Clair fight makes a Khan-Katsidis bout even more natural now, Khan will get home advantage etc and hold a WBO trinket within a year.
If he achieves this it's no worse that Juan Diaz beating Lakva Simm for the WBA.
I think Khan will do this - he has the talent, the connections, the right ppl behind him - but probably move up to light welter afterward.
I like Khan as a fighter as he has good skills and speed, but he was backpeddling against StClair who cant hit at all and he got hit a few times by flush right hands which would be disasterous against Katsidis.
As for Casa he is still in a diffrent league to Khabn and i think he will beat Katsidis also. He might have slipped a bit by now but he is still one hell of a fighter who has beaten the best there is at 135.
Malinaggi is a good fight for Khan and should be the one they are chasing, He cant punch and Khan has a 50/50 chance in a couple of fights.
Casa is finished.
Anyway, if this rumoured Khan-Romanov fight happens, and Khan wins, this will vault him up the rankings and set him up for something good.
I think it's far easier to get Khan a title up at light welter. UK has 3 world champs at this weight. A solid Euro champ Lynes. A dynamic Commonwealth champ, Olusegun.
, Earl was still a good opponent until he got that beating from Katsidis and Amonsat will never be the same again he took a terrible hiding.Do you think that Khan has the heart to fight off Katsidis for 12 rounds. Katsidis has shown he will fight with one eye and blood all over his face and still give out a beating.
Beating St Clair on points is no pointer to beating Katsidis. Rocky walks through walls throwing punches.Autobarn wrote:Katsidis or Casamayor will probably soon be the WBO champ. So technically that's within Khan's abilities to beat one of those guys if he's developed properly in the next 10 months. The St Clair fight makes a Khan-Katsidis bout even more natural now, Khan will get home advantage etc and hold a WBO trinket within a year.ben k wrote:No chance in hell will Khan get a belt at lightweight in the next year, He couldnt beat any of the champions at 135 he would be better off at 140 as Malinaggi couldnt crack an egg.Asterix wrote: I'm not sure. allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly said he has no trouble making the weight, but he looks pretty big for a lightweight, and over the past year he has really developed (physically). He looks a lot more muscular than he used to. His aim is to get a World title at lightweight, so it's possible he will move up in a year or so.
It's like Kelly Pavlik. How on Earth does he manage to make middleweight?!?!
If he achieves this it's no worse that Juan Diaz beating Lakva Simm for the WBA.
I think Khan will do this - he has the talent, the connections, the right ppl behind him - but probably move up to light welter afterward.