Silver gloves results

[Kolya]

I would love to say that I was able to get all the bouts each day, but I couldn't. I did get some and was able to get copies of others to upload from Day 1. I have Day 2 bouts and will be uploading those along with Championship Bouts that I am able to video or get from someone else who is recording. There was a lot of great action.

Visit http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... D703B7E175 for Day 1 Bouts and check back or subscribe to the page to get real-time updates when other bouts are added. Enjoy!

Man, Dusty Harrison got tall! I remember him as a little kid back when he must have been 9 or so. Is he out of Old School? That's how I seem to remember it, anyway. Good to see some of the kids from back in the PVA doing well.

[SugarRayLeonardGym]

Man, Dusty Harrison got tall! I remember him as a little kid back when he must have been 9 or so. Is he out of Old School? That's how I seem to remember it, anyway. Good to see some of the kids from back in the PVA doing well.

He's out of Old School. That's his dad's gym. They have two boxers in the Championship - Robert "KC" Clark and Chris "Rock" Warden.

[Kolya]

Man, Dusty Harrison got tall! I remember him as a little kid back when he must have been 9 or so. Is he out of Old School? That's how I seem to remember it, anyway. Good to see some of the kids from back in the PVA doing well.

He's out of Old School. That's his dad's gym. They have two boxers in the Championship - Robert "KC" Clark and Chris "Rock" Warden.

I thought Dusty's dad was his coach. Is he a kind of bigger white guy, hair kind of slicked back (that's how I seem to remember him)? I think he was there at my first bout and had wanted to talk to me but didn't get the chance and ended up talking to my dad instead, but I was at the Boys and Girls Club at the time.

[SugarRayLeonardGym]

I thought Dusty's dad was his coach. Is he a kind of bigger white guy, hair kind of slicked back (that's how I seem to remember him)? I think he was there at my first bout and had wanted to talk to me but didn't get the chance and ended up talking to my dad instead, but I was at the Boys and Girls Club at the time.

Yup, that's him. His dad and the owner of Old School. His name is Buddy.

[Kolya]

I thought Dusty's dad was his coach. Is he a kind of bigger white guy, hair kind of slicked back (that's how I seem to remember him)? I think he was there at my first bout and had wanted to talk to me but didn't get the chance and ended up talking to my dad instead, but I was at the Boys and Girls Club at the time.

Yup, that's him. His dad and the owner of Old School. His name is Buddy.

Thought so. Seemed like a nice guy. I guess you're from SRL's in Palmer Park? Good to see someone else from that area on here, even if I don't live there anymore. Is Josh Davis from Laurel still boxing? I haven't seen him listed at any of the national events this year.

[SugarRayLeonardGym]

Thought so. Seemed like a nice guy. I guess you're from SRL's in Palmer Park? Good to see someone else from that area on here, even if I don't live there anymore. Is Josh Davis from Laurel still boxing? I haven't seen him listed at any of the national events this year.

I am from SRL in Palmer Park and Josh is still boxing. I haven't seem him for a while either but the JOs are coming up, so I'm sure he'll be there.

Silver Gloves Finals are starting in about 1 hr, so I'll try to keep track of the bouts and get a final results list up on this site. There are going to be some good bouts tonight, so I can't wait. We have two boxers in the finals tonight. I'll keep you posted.

[Kolya]

Thought so. Seemed like a nice guy. I guess you're from SRL's in Palmer Park? Good to see someone else from that area on here, even if I don't live there anymore. Is Josh Davis from Laurel still boxing? I haven't seen him listed at any of the national events this year.

I am from SRL in Palmer Park and Josh is still boxing. I haven't seem him for a while either but the JOs are coming up, so I'm sure he'll be there.

Silver Gloves Finals are starting in about 1 hr, so I'll try to keep track of the bouts and get a final results list up on this site. There are going to be some good bouts tonight, so I can't wait. We have two boxers in the finals tonight. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks man, great work!

Have you seen Thomas Williams or Marlon Bolen from Mooney's Boxing Academy box at all lately? They're two of my old gym buddies.

[the_one]

i really think the silver gloves is a great tourney. it helps kids understand the concept of a tournament and helps them for their later years as juniors or open class fighters!! thanks for keeping this tournamnet alive!! and good luck to all the youngsters thats fighting in it for years to come!!!!

[SugarRayLeonardGym]

**Award Outstanding Boxer Award for age group

10/11 year old division

60lbs. Nico Hernandez (Region 5) Wichita, KS over William Dierksheide -(Region 6) Hunstville, Tx
65lbs. Zimmie Dickinson (Region 3) Waldorf, MD over James Johnson, Jr. (Region 5) St. Louis, MO**
75lbs. Daniel Ramirez (Region 6) Richardson, TX over Efren Lopez (Region 8 ) Freso, CA
70lbs. Moises Orozco (Region 8 ) Long Beach, CA over Christian Bermudez (Region 1) Brooklyn, NY
80lbs. Hoshawn Sambolin (Region 1) Rochester, NY over Wrylee Padilla (Region 7) Rock Springs, WY
85lbs. Robert Jiles (Region 1) Rochester, NY over Abraham Lopez (Region 8 ) Hacienda Heights, CA
90lbs. Rahim Gonzalez (Region 8 ) Sylmar, CA over Diego Chavez (Region5)
95lbs. Vernon Spriggs (Region 3) Washington, DC over Carlos Martinez (Region 4) St. Paul, MN
100lbs. Derrell Gibbs (Region 2) Columbus, OH over Kyle Peters (Region4) Keshena, WI
110lbs. Joe Gonzalez (Region 8 ) Watsonville, CA over Willie Iverson (Region 6) Pine Bluff, Arkansas
125lbs. Carlos Osario (Region 1) Syracuse, NY over Jadreien Van (Region5) Topeka, KS


12/13 year old division
65lbs. Kyle Gorsuch (Region 5) Dixie, NE over Lionel Tidwell (Region 6) Hot Springs, AR
70lbs. Abraham Zamora (Region 8 ) Coachella, CA over Tyler Phillips (Region 2) Kimball, MI**
75lbs. Jesus Luna (Region 8 ) Englewood, CA over James Taylor (Region 2) Ypslanti, MI
80lbs. Gervonta Davis (Region 3) Baltimore, MD over Abraham Banks (Region 5) Wichita, KS
85lbs. Ernesto Delgadillo (Region 6) Dallas, TX over Destyne Butler (Region 5) Chicago, IL
90lbs. Marshall Sanchez (Region 6) Orlando, FL over Lynyrd Estrada (Region 6) Fort Worth, TX
100lbs. Joey Bryant (Region 6) Olive Branch, MS over Georgie Nacerio (Region 1) New Haven, CT
106lbs. Isaac Casteneda (Region 8 ) Las Vegas, NV over Efrain Estrade (Region 7) Hillboro, OR
112lbs. Ricardo Gallegos (Region 7) Caldwell, ID over Anthony Sims, Jr. (Region 2) Plainfield, IN
119lbs. Justin Deloach (Region 3) August, GA over Juan Saucedo (Region6) Oklahoma City, OK
125lbs. Cristino Ceballos (Region 1) Brooklyn, NY over Elijah Gonzalez (Region 6) Houston, TX
132llbs. Brian Alvarez (Region 8 ) Woodland, CA over Dillon Mason (Region4) St. Cloud, MN
139lbs. Robert Clark (Region 3) Washington, DC over Damian Howard (Region 5) St. Louis, MO
147lbs. Trent Tedesco (Region 1) Nutley, NJ over Milton Williams (Region3) Baltimore, MD
156lbs. Isiah Casitanon (Region 1) Hackensack, NJ over Cameron Logan (Region 7) Rock Springs, MN
165lbs. Rakeem Hinton (Region 2) Columbus, OH over Juan Carlos Baron (Region 5) Chicago, IL
201 Bryan Zamora (Region 3) Port St. Lucie over Juan Aldana (Region 5) Garden City, KS
201+ Billy Rice (Region 2) Lima, Ohio over Casey Straw (Region 3) Hollywood, FL

14/15 year old division

80lbs. Darry Little (Region 3) Washington, DC over Tyshon Coker (Region 1) Rochester, NY
90lbs. Pedro Duran (Region 8 ) Paramont, CA over Marquis Taylor (Region 6) Houston, TX
95lbs. Micahel Norato (Region 8 ) Pacaima, CA over Oscar Mojica (Region 6) Dallas, TX
100lbs. Tremaine Williams (Region 1) New Haven, CT over Carlos Suarez (Region 2) Lima, Ohio**
106lbs. Victor Pasillas (Region 8 ) Sand Bernadino, CA over Miguel Cartagena (Region 2) Philadelphia, PA
112lbs. Antonio Magruder (Region 3) Suitland, CA over Jeremy Longoria (Region 6) Corpus Christie, TX
119lbs. Marcus Gaddis (Region 3) Forestville, MD over Jose Arambula (Region 5) Harvey, IL
125lbs. Eric Deleon (Region 2) Lincoln Park, MI over Julian Ramirez (Region 8 ) Los Angeles, CA
132lbs. Brian Nichols (Region 6) Pearl, MS over Jose Beanvidez (Region 8 ) Phoenix, AZ
139lbs. Zeddie Adams (Region 2) Cleveland, OH over Armondo Gallegos (Region 7) Caldwell, ID
147lbs. Eric Flores (Region 8 ) Englewood, CA over Eric Guajardo (Region 6) San Antonio, TX
156lbs. Edwin Espinal (Region 1) Providence, RI over Chris Warden (Region 3) Washington, DC
165lbs. Donald Anderson (Region 2) Columbus, OH over Daquan Arnett (Region 3) Orlando, FL
178lbs. Joshua Templa (Region 5) St. Louis, MO over Marcio Figueroa (Region 3) Orlando, FL
201lbs. Michael Stillabower (Region 2) Columbus, OH over Kyle Sturgeo (Region 6) Cabat, AR
201+ Robert Coons (Region 8 ) San Diego, CA over Myles Taylor (Region 6) Lunoke, AR

[babyhuey]

Region 7:

Cody Waslager - lost Thurs.
Abram Martinez - lost Thurs
Efrain Estrada - won Thurs. & Fri. Aft.
Ricardo Gallegos - Won Thurs.
Junior Zurita - lost Thurs.
Isaiah Tafoya - lost Thurs.
Timmy Mason - lost Thurs.
Armondo Gallegos - won Thurs.
Colby Wilkerson - lost Thurs.
Darius Hall - lost Thurs.
Roman Guevara - lost Thurs.
Anthony Lapier - lost Thurs.
Omero Gallegos - won Thurs.
Jalen Gibson - lost Thurs.
Nathaniel Sainz - lost thurs.
Harveis Platero - lost Thurs.

Brandon Mendoza - lost Fri. aft
Josh Yellow Owl - lost Fri. aft.

Good thing I'm a fast typist - and you're welcome!

Jr Zurita ...well we need to work on keeping our hands up,
the kid from Baltomore was tall and we got hit with alot of stupid shot we shouldent have,
if we had our hands in position, but we are gonna take the lesson
and learn from it, ....and fix it staring monday..

Efraim....i dont even now where to start, no disrespect to the judges but the whole scoring system is broken to me....
we fought a very tuff kid friday who would hold and slap...but the judges dident count the slaps....and we landed solid straight punches,
and won the fight friday,
, now saturady....same thing but i guess holding and slapping
is ok on saturdays, but not ok on fridays,....???
honestly our fight on saturday...i was more confident we won that fight then the two fight before that....
i have no answer.....
i loved to show, john brown and ringside are great, the show was organized...and a great expierence but the scoring system in usa boxing is broken,
i dont have or suggest t have a better way...but the one we have now is flawed....way too much inconsistency between what refs allow,
and what judges count as a point punch... its one thing to this judge,
and its another thing to a different judge...
i dont even know what to say about it,
Efraim made it all the way to the championship fight....
we are proud of that...so...i guess till next year we will focus on that as a victory.... but i still fell bad for efraim because he did everything
i told him to do in the corner... because 1- i said so
and 2- it was working....we were landing solid straight punches from the distance, and the only time we got hit is when the other boxer would hold and slap.......i dont get it.

[boxmel]

Efraim....i dont even now where to start, no disrespect to the judges but the whole scoring system is broken to me....

In what way?

but the judges dident count the slaps....

Not supposed to.

same thing but i guess holding and slapping is ok on saturdays, but not ok on fridays,....???

Are you saying the refereeing was inconsistent?

but the scoring system in usa boxing is broken,
i dont have or suggest t have a better way...but the one we have now is flawed....way too much inconsistency between what refs allow,
and what judges count as a point punch... its one thing to this judge,
and its another thing to a different judge...

Sounds more like the officials are flawed, not the system. The system/criteria is very straight forward. How it's interpreted seems to be an individual choice - and that's really too bad. I have no idea how to fix that except to make sure that each and every official is properly trained at the local level. Just my thoughts.

Heard WE (Region 8) got the team trophey for the millionith time.

[Kolya]

Region 7:

Cody Waslager - lost Thurs.
Abram Martinez - lost Thurs
Efrain Estrada - won Thurs. & Fri. Aft.
Ricardo Gallegos - Won Thurs.
Junior Zurita - lost Thurs.
Isaiah Tafoya - lost Thurs.
Timmy Mason - lost Thurs.
Armondo Gallegos - won Thurs.
Colby Wilkerson - lost Thurs.
Darius Hall - lost Thurs.
Roman Guevara - lost Thurs.
Anthony Lapier - lost Thurs.
Omero Gallegos - won Thurs.
Jalen Gibson - lost Thurs.
Nathaniel Sainz - lost thurs.
Harveis Platero - lost Thurs.

Brandon Mendoza - lost Fri. aft
Josh Yellow Owl - lost Fri. aft.

Good thing I'm a fast typist - and you're welcome!

Jr Zurita ...well we need to work on keeping our hands up,
the kid from Baltomore was tall and we got hit with alot of stupid shot we shouldent have,
if we had our hands in position, but we are gonna take the lesson
and learn from it, ....and fix it staring monday..

Efraim....i dont even now where to start, no disrespect to the judges but the whole scoring system is broken to me....
we fought a very tuff kid friday who would hold and slap...but the judges dident count the slaps....and we landed solid straight punches,
and won the fight friday,
, now saturady....same thing but i guess holding and slapping
is ok on saturdays, but not ok on fridays,....???
honestly our fight on saturday...i was more confident we won that fight then the two fight before that....
i have no answer.....
i loved to show, john brown and ringside are great, the show was organized...and a great expierence but the scoring system in usa boxing is broken,
i dont have or suggest t have a better way...but the one we have now is flawed....way too much inconsistency between what refs allow,
and what judges count as a point punch... its one thing to this judge,
and its another thing to a different judge...
i dont even know what to say about it,
Efraim made it all the way to the championship fight....
we are proud of that...so...i guess till next year we will focus on that as a victory.... but i still fell bad for efraim because he did everything
i told him to do in the corner... because 1- i said so
and 2- it was working....we were landing solid straight punches from the distance, and the only time we got hit is when the other boxer would hold and slap.......i dont get it.

Hey coach-congrats on the good job down in MO. I thought it was your guys who advanced the farthest. Did you happen to see any of the other guys from our region's bouts? What happened to Platero, Hill, Anthony Lapier; how did they all get eliminated so soon?

[deleon5]

Hey does anyone know, do the kids that lost during the tournament still get ranked?? How does that work? I have 2 boys from region 5 that lost friday.

Efraim....i dont even now where to start, no disrespect to the judges but the whole scoring system is broken to me....

In what way?

but the judges dident count the slaps....

Not supposed to.

same thing but i guess holding and slapping is ok on saturdays, but not ok on fridays,....???

Are you saying the refereeing was inconsistent?

but the scoring system in usa boxing is broken,
i dont have or suggest t have a better way...but the one we have now is flawed....way too much inconsistency between what refs allow,
and what judges count as a point punch... its one thing to this judge,
and its another thing to a different judge...

Sounds more like the officials are flawed, not the system. The system/criteria is very straight forward. How it's interpreted seems to be an individual choice - and that's really too bad. I have no idea how to fix that except to make sure that each and every official is properly trained at the local level. Just my thoughts.

Heard WE (Region 8) got the team trophey for the millionith time.

[babyhuey]

Sounds more like the officials are flawed, not the system. The system/criteria is very straight forward. How it's interpreted seems to be an individual choice - and that's really too bad. I have no idea how to fix that except to make sure that each and every official is properly trained at the local level. Just my thoughts.



you right, about "how its interpreted"... if slaps and holding count, ...
and i know they dont but.... if they did, we should have lost friday,
but if they dont.... then we should have won on saturday...
im not crying eather, just posting the ovious about what i see to be the biggest problem in amateur boxing from the view point of myself...
its easy for me to point to the problem, but coming up with a better way is above me,
but i do know how often i see inconsistencys and its WAY too often...
i mean if we can launch a satelite to mars,
i would think we could figure a consistant way to score blows....
is it instant replay..??... or some technology with the gloves....
i dont know..??? ...but,
the error of human interpretation isnt working eather ..my 2 cents

[babyhuey]

Hey coach-congrats on the good job down in MO. I thought it was your guys who advanced the farthest. Did you happen to see any of the other guys from our region's bouts? What happened to Platero, Hill, Anthony Lapier; how did they all get eliminated so soon?[/quote]


thanks man, the fought tuff kids, nothing against the kids who won,
but again the scoring system and or its interpretation,
i thought both hill and platero won there fights,
and so did alot of other people, lapier... i dident get to see.
ill try and find if my guy taped the fights,
if so ill post them on you tube and let you be the judge.

[SugarRayLeonardGym]

BoxMel, I completely agree. I injected myself into a conversation between a coach who was unfamililar with scoring and an official at this weekend's Silver Gloves tournament. The coach asked about how a rally of punches between two boxers should be scored. The official told him that "I have clickers and I just try to keep track of how many punches each boxers throws"
The rulebook clearly states (107.7) that "The value of blows scored in a rally of infighting shall be assessed at the end of such rally and shall be credited to the boxer who has had the better of the exchanges according to the degree of said boxer’s superiority.

My interpretation of this is that at the end of the rally, points are assessed to the boxer who was more effective in the exchange. It's impossible to count each blow in a rally of punches.

I told the coach that he should download and read the rulebook. BoxMel, do you think that it's feasible to use the same scoring system as the JOs where multiple judges need to score a point within a certain period of time? I know the equipment may be cost prohibitive, but I think that would help eliminate some of the inconsistency.

[boxmel]

ill try and find if my guy taped the fights,
if so ill post them on you tube and let you be the judge.

Huey - please remember that a video tape only shows one point of view. Unless you see all 5 points of view, it won't give you an accurate assessment. For all you know, the judge who had the same point of view as the camera may also have had your boxer winning.

My interpretation of this is that at the end of the rally, points are assessed to the boxer who was more effective in the exchange. It's impossible to count each blow in a rally of punches.

Need to get away from "shoe shining." It's very hard to judge.

I told the coach that he should download and read the rulebook.

Heh heh. A coach read the rule book?

BoxMel, do you think that it's feasible to use the same scoring system as the JOs where multiple judges need to score a point within a certain period of time? I know the equipment may be cost prohibitive, but I think that would help eliminate some of the inconsistency.

The JO Nationals use the computerized scoring system. Golden Gloves and Silver Gloves do not. They use the tally counters where the scores end up being a total of each judge's raw score, i.e., number of punches landed. I think it would probably be more fair to the boxers to use the computer system, plus you can see if any judges need "adjusting" in how they perceive "legal effective punches, etc." However, group members can choose between using "clickers" and computer and by not using the computer scoring, I think they do the boxers a great disservice. Just my opinion. The cost incurred would be to pay for the shipping of the computer systems needed, plus travel, lodging, and food for the techs.