Boxers with short primes?

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 04 Feb 2008, 00:04

One not mentioned in awhile , Rockin Robin Blake.In the early 80s
He was on a roll there very briefly but dropped one to Butterfly Crawley and then things got spotty.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 04 Feb 2008, 00:41

Two Mexican fighters from my neck of the woods:Junior Welter,Battling Torres and Featherweight,"Pajarito" Moreno. Both boys could really punch.

Torres was rushed too fast and was Ko'd by a more experienced Carlos Ortiz. The fight was made in Los Angeles and many of the Mexican fans thought Torres would knock out Ortiz. The other way around. It was hard after that to get Torres to train seriously and his career slumped badly.

Same with Moreno. Fought against "Kid" Bassey in Los Angeles for the title. I believe the fight was in Wrigley Field the home of the Hollywood Stars minor league team owned by the Cubs. Moreno was stopped in three. Wound up ending his career fighting on the short end of purses in small Mexican towns.

Still a lot of talk about those two guys among the "aficianados" of the sport South of the Border.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 04 Feb 2008, 07:20

Mike Tyson - Pretty Much when Rooney Left, he slowly went downhill, and Prison finished him off....

Ruddock - After Both Tyson Fights... "The Hardest Hitter" was just Finished..

Bowe

Joe Frazier - Certainly had the Ingredients... unfortunate to have been when Ali and Foreman were Peaking

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 04 Feb 2008, 16:42

Robinson wrote:To me Young is the prototype of the 80s ABC wasted generation fighters wgho had so much talented, but were so inconsistent inside of the ropes. They seemed to have external forces and demons affecting how they perform.

I like Young and he frustates me to watch at times. interesting tales told about him above.

His jab was always odd.

Maybe, but the 80s teletubby heavyweights didnt beat George Foreman or arguably beat Ali.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Feb 2008, 18:42

dr_devious wrote:
Robinson wrote:To me Young is the prototype of the 80s ABC wasted generation fighters wgho had so much talented, but were so inconsistent inside of the ropes. They seemed to have external forces and demons affecting how they perform.

I like Young and he frustates me to watch at times. interesting tales told about him above.

His jab was always odd.
Maybe, but the 80s teletubby heavyweights didnt beat George Foreman or arguably beat Ali.

True.

Young fought Ali in 1976.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 04 Feb 2008, 23:34

al singer had a short title reign....won by 1st round kayo....lost in first title defense...by...1st round kayo. (won from sammy mandell...lost to tony canzoneri)

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 05 Feb 2008, 01:52

Jaclem wrote:al singer had a short title reign....won by 1st round kayo....lost in first title defense...by...1st round kayo. (won from sammy mandell...lost to tony canzoneri)

Very strange.

Mandell defended his lightweight title by lopsided margin against both Canzoneri AND McLarnin. Both were great, great, knockout punchers but both were close to helpless against Mandell, who was probably the best defensive boxer I have seen.

(There are films of Mandell's defenses against Canzoneri and McLarnin).

Then Mandell gets knocked out in the first round by Al Singer?

Just after he won the title, Al Singer has a non-title bout against McLarnin, who KO's him.

Then Singer is knocked out in the first round by Canzoneri to lose his title.

Yet neither Canzoneri nor McLarnin could touch Mandell.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 05 Feb 2008, 02:16

..berry...indeed...most peculiar. i knew a boxer....club boxer style, i guess you'd say, who fought mandell in a non-title fight in 1927. ring magazine record book names him midget guery, though his name was actually guera, and the midget shortened to midge after he retired. he fought a lot of guys but always said mandell was the cleverest he had ever been in against or had even seen. said he lost every round, never hit mandell with anything that mattered and it was one of his favorite memories...to have been in with a man of that talent, and , as he put it, "to see him up close."

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 05 Feb 2008, 07:20

Jaclem wrote:..short prime....leon spinks..

..shortest prime...buster douglas.....one fight.

Leon Spinks was never allowed to have a prime.

This is the probably the biggest oxymoron ever; but the worst thing that Spinks ever did was BEAT Ali!

I know it sounds dumb, but think about it!!!

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 05 Feb 2008, 14:36

Michael Dokes and Greg Page.

Jaywheel · Post by **Jaywheel** » 04 Apr 2008, 12:28

David Reid
Hassim Rachman
Oliver McCall

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 04 Apr 2008, 13:45

Fernando Vargas - He was like Mike Tyson in a way, a big power puncher just tearing through the LMW division at a rapid rate, including managing to get wins over Ike Quartey and Winky Wright. Soon after though, came the Felix Trinidad fight, one of the most brutal wars the division has ever seen, and one where although he came close to victory a number of times, he wound up TKO'd. He recovered well after that loss and managed to re-win the vacated belt, then he fought another unification fight with the Golden Boy. Oscar arguably gave him an even worse beating than Tito had, though he did it in more of a crafty, intelligent way, measuring some of the most vicious left hooks he's ever thrown until he stopped him.

His weight draining seemed to take a major toll on his health. He's mentioned before that way back when he fought WInky Wright he was literally starving himself to make weight and taking nyquil and shit just to sleep on an empty stomach for 1-2 weeks before his fights. To me that was an obvious sign that he should've just moved up to 160 after Quartey if not earlier, at least he would've gotten a lil more time to develop before fighting two awesome fighters at their peaks like with Tito and Oscar, who both had their most impressive victories against him. Couple that with his numerous back problems (slipped discs I believe) proceeding those fights and you see how quickly his prime ended. In a sense it really amazes me that he managed to make 154 so many times for so many years despite it being so bad for his health. He really should've been a Super Middleweight by 2003 and probably a Middleweight before 2000, and if he had gone up sooner in both cases, his prime could've been longer, but then, his back issues still could've been majorly prohibitive in that respect, because it was after those surgeries he had where he seemed to have lost some speed and reflexes. Interestingly enough though, he seemed to gain them back a bit with Mayorga in his last fight, so it seems like my idea of his weight draining wasn't too far off the mark either...

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 04 Apr 2008, 20:18

I knwo Young was at his best in the 1970s, what I was trying to say is that he seemed to set the mould for that generation lost of 1980s ABC champs.

Granberry

Would you have called Young a friend of yours ?
also what is he doing these day's ? He seems to be a hard man to find much info on outside of here and his ring encounters.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 04 Apr 2008, 21:14

Robinson wrote:I knwo Young was at his best in the 1970s, what I was trying to say is that he seemed to set the mould for that generation lost of 1980s ABC champs.

Granberry

Would you have called Young a friend of yours ?
also what is he doing these day's ? He seems to be a hard man to find much info on outside of here and his ring encounters.

Dr McCoy: He's dead, Kym

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 04 Apr 2008, 21:17

I always thought Jimmy Young, for being a stylist, had a very short prime.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 04 Apr 2008, 21:29

Thats sad :(

After he retired until his death...

bobbyd · Post by **bobbyd** » 07 May 2008, 16:36

Jeff Fenech
Sugar Ray Seals
Willie Monroe
Mike Rossman
John Tate
Coley Wallace
Ingemmar Johansonn
Montell Griffith

Jaybee From The Castle · Post by **Jaybee From The Castle** » 07 May 2008, 16:43

p4p1 wrote:naseem hamed

Good pick, I was going to say David Tua. Interesting thread.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 08 May 2008, 06:55

bobbyd wrote:Jeff Fenech
Sugar Ray Seals
Willie Monroe
Mike Rossman
John Tate
Coley Wallace
Ingemmar Johansonn
Montell Griffith

jeff fenech won 3 world titles and should of won a 4th thats doesnt happen in a short prime

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 08 May 2008, 12:45

Collins2000 wrote:
Robinson wrote:I knwo Young was at his best in the 1970s, what I was trying to say is that he seemed to set the mould for that generation lost of 1980s ABC champs.

Granberry

Would you have called Young a friend of yours ?
also what is he doing these day's ? He seems to be a hard man to find much info on outside of here and his ring encounters.

Dr McCoy: He's dead, Kym

I just read this. That's pretty funny if you remember the old Star Trek show.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 08 May 2008, 18:02

Now back to the topic at hand.

Which posters have I "attacked"? as this is a question that is giving you some problems, I suggest you call Harold Johnson or someone of that ilk and discuss it with them before you give us your considered answer.

PS You don't count as you are a troll rather than a poster. That's why you can't get a look in on "the greatest thread ever".

LOL
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Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 08 May 2008, 19:22

granberry wrote:collins NAILED himself with his post above where he revealed that he has never heard of Kid Azteca or Juan Zurita.

Do you think if the same cover had pictures of Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard along with their NAMES beside their pictures

collins would have been able to recognize them as boxers?

LOL

Comic book?

Granberry, I'm not the only one who found your post offensive. Do you have any inter-personal skills at all?

Guys, I been thinking, an I feel that its going to be hard for me to keep posting or be part of this thread or forum, as we work hard to make it a good thread and a good forum too and then see grandybarry come and ruin every thread, and the power that be can't seem to do anything about him. Kikibalt

Personally, I think you should keep out of that thread as you have nothing to offer.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 08 May 2008, 19:28

I'd appreciate if you didn't egg him on.
Thanks

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 08 May 2008, 19:32

AntonS wrote:I'd appreciate if you didn't egg him on.
Thanks

So we are just expected to stand by while he posts whatever he wants with your approval?

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 08 May 2008, 19:34

Focking ban him, already! The forum is poorer for his presence.