Black History Month

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 09 Feb 2008, 01:51

I read a story about Joe Louis once where he would rent a pullman car on the train and have Duke Ellington records playing while the train took him to his next fight . The King of Harlem listening to The Duke. That music was the sound of that burg. Eckstine,Ella,Monk,Miles. Jammin' on hot summer nights in Harlem at the clubs. Small's ,Suger Ray's,Owen Madden's Cotton Club,Shorty George steppin' at the Savoy,The Apollo. They say Lionel Hampton's band got goin' so crazy at the Apollo that everybody stompin' in the balcony just about brought it down. Lindy Hopping,Jitterbugging,Cootie's trumpet screamin',Lady Day blues singing , The Prez filling in. Hot smoky clubs,chickens roasting in steamy kitchens with lots of hot sauce dripping off the wings. Tangy smells drifting out from the back. Yard Bird destroying a plate full of ribs walking in from the street playing Clap Hands Here Comes Charlie on his alto. Everybody clappin' with him. Duke's Band Rockin' In Rhythm Ella scattin' along above the music. Art Tatum blind genius striding on Lennox Avenue. He knows no one can touch him. Hot Harlem nights with all those fine ladies and after the lights go out on Broadway it's over to Harlem. The music is just starting. The rooms are filling up high with high rollers. Fine ladies. Everyone is decked out. The music is loud. Noise and shoutin'. Neon lights full of colors. Harlem is Rockin' in Rhythm. Joe Louis just arrived. Joe Louis. He just walked in. He won big tonight. Celebrate. Joe's buyin' for the house. We've got Joe Louis. He's ours. Everthing is solid. Harlem is Rockin' in Rhythm.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 09 Feb 2008, 04:18

Sounds like you've been worshipping at the altar of Joe Louis...

Seriously speaking, nice story, really seems to capture the time. Louis beating Schmeling was sort of the ultimate erasure of any and all racial claims of superiority. Sort of a good fight to think about throughout the month. The Nazi's of course had to cut off the German radio transmission of the fight. Just like the other famous story of Hitler walking out when Jesse Owens won big in the Olympics. For a Master Race, they sure were sore losers.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Feb 2008, 11:28

I Feel Fine wrote:Sounds like you've been worshipping at the altar of Joe Louis...

Seriously speaking, nice story, really seems to capture the time. Louis beating Schmeling was sort of the ultimate erasure of any and all racial claims of superiority. Sort of a good fight to think about throughout the month. The Nazi's of course had to cut off the German radio transmission of the fight. Just like the other famous story of Hitler walking out when Jesse Owens won big in the Olympics. For a Master Race, they sure were sore losers.

Straight out of the mouth of a Ken Burns disciple.

Louis would not be mentioned at all by the current media with its lack of interest in boxing except for what fits their AGENDA.

According to the current media, Louis never had any fights except his second fight with Schmeling.

The fact that he was was the most completely equipped heavyweight champion offensively, with a great, damaging left jab, perhaps the best right hand ever because of its quickness and shortness and power and accuracy, great left hook, great body shots,
and trained so that he had endurance, power and accuracy in the late rounds,

is of no interest to the media since they have no use for boxing except when it serves as part of their overall current politcally correct agenda for a moment.

Remember, Louis never fought anyone except Max Schmeling.

Louis never fought Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Jack Sharkey, Jimmy Braddock, etc etc etc.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 09 Feb 2008, 12:41

granberry wrote:
I Feel Fine wrote:Sounds like you've been worshipping at the altar of Joe Louis...

Seriously speaking, nice story, really seems to capture the time. Louis beating Schmeling was sort of the ultimate erasure of any and all racial claims of superiority. Sort of a good fight to think about throughout the month. The Nazi's of course had to cut off the German radio transmission of the fight. Just like the other famous story of Hitler walking out when Jesse Owens won big in the Olympics. For a Master Race, they sure were sore losers.

Straight out of the mouth of a Ken Burns disciple.

Louis would not be mentioned at all by the current media with its lack of interest in boxing except for what fits their AGENDA.

According to the current media, Louis never had any fights except his second fight with Schmeling.

The fact that he was was the most completely equipped heavyweight champion offensively, with a great, damaging left jab, perhaps the best right hand ever because of its quickness and shortness and power and accuracy, great left hook, great body shots,
and trained so that he had endurance, power and accuracy in the late rounds,

is of no interest to the media since they have no use for boxing except when it serves as part of their overall current politcally correct agenda for a moment.

Remember, Louis never fought anyone except Max Schmeling.

Louis never fought Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Jack Sharkey, Jimmy Braddock, etc etc etc.

If you knew anything about history crank, you'd know Louis-Schmeling II was the most notable fight of the whole period b/c of the implications pre World War II. You know, that "politically correct" war we fought against the Nazis in the 1940s . . .

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Feb 2008, 13:11

dempseyfire wrote:
If you knew anything about history crank, you'd know Louis-Schmeling II was the most notable fight of the whole period b/c of the implications pre World War II. You know, that "politically correct" war we fought against the Nazis in the 1940s . . .

VERY slow thinking and heavily indocrinated dempseyfire proves my point.

Those lacking any interest in boxing only mention boxing when it is useful for their overall agendas.

Poor dempseyfire's reading comprehension is on a 2nd grade level.

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 09 Feb 2008, 13:34

Boxing has gained many fans because of figures who transcend beyond the win lose draw sratistics of the sport, capturing the imagination of the masses.

Whether you love them or hate them, Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Ali, Dempsey and Corbett were figures that proyected themselves beyond the ring. This is good for boxing at the economic level and at competititon for it inspires youngsters to pick up gloves and try their luck at the fight game.

It's true that millions of quasi-fans who follow only big fights are not knowlegdeable about records etc. and perceive only Louis with Schmeling, but boxing fans are not a monolithic crowd: there are insiders, journalists, historians, bullshit artists, casual fans and the obsessed and blindly opinionated.

The media -and I am part of that media by profession- is generally ignorant of the sport because American sports writers are generally devout fans of baseball and football and do not read much about boxing. Years ago, during an interview, a sportswiter for a local newspaper was taking notes and looked up and asked me -What's a welterweight?- and his publication had him covering boxing.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Feb 2008, 13:54

enrique wrote:Years ago, during an interview, a sportswiter for a local newspaper was taking notes and looked up and asked me -What's a welterweight?- and his publication had him covering boxing.

But the same 'reporter' would smirk and tell you without hesitation who the "greatest of all time" is.

Once a Washington Post reporter said to me,

"Sugar Ray Leonard is the greatest welterweight champion of all time."

"That's very nice," I said. "Name another welterweight champion."

"Benitez," he said.

"Yes," I said. "Leonard fought Benitez two days ago and won a piece of the welterweight title--the WBC fraction.

"But NAME ANOTHER WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION."

He couldn't------of course.

But he knew who the greatest of "all time" was.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 09 Feb 2008, 16:16

Nope, you don't get to play that game dingleberry. You are the one who tells us we should focus only on one or two Ali fights and that we should ignore the rest of his career. You are the one who is far more interested in what Ali did outside of the ring than what he did inside the ring. If Ali had been a quiet Christian who fought in Vietnam you would have no interest in what he did. This thread is about Louis and black history month, and I'm not going to apologize to anyone for citing Louis-Schmeling II which happens to be the Louis fight that most exemplifies what that month is about. I don't need anyone, least of all an unscrupulous liar like yourself, to tell me what Louis' qualities were or who the other opponents of his career were. I know what Louis did inside and outside of the ring.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 09 Feb 2008, 16:18

We're back to Ali again. Amazing. I'm tellin' ya',I'm going to start a thread on Mary Pickford and see how fast it gets back to Ali.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Feb 2008, 16:26

I Feel Fine wrote:Nope, you don't get to play that game dingleberry. You are the one who tells us we should focus only on one or two Ali fights and that we should ignore the rest of his career. You are the one who is far more interested in what Ali did outside of the ring than what he did inside the ring. If Ali had been a quiet Christian who fought in Vietnam you would have no interest in what he did. This thread is about Louis and black history month, and I'm not going to apologize to anyone for citing Louis-Schmeling II which happens to be the Louis fight that most exemplifies what that month is about. I don't need anyone, least of all an unscrupulous liar like yourself, to tell me what Louis' qualities were or who the other opponents of his career were. I know what Louis did inside and outside of the ring.

Now clueless member of the RELIGION OF ALI ifeelfine thinks his beloved Ali is a welterweight and stinks up this thread with his Ali fixation.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Feb 2008, 16:29

granberry wrote:
I Feel Fine wrote:Nope, you don't get to play that game dingleberry. You are the one who tells us we should focus only on one or two Ali fights and that we should ignore the rest of his career. You are the one who is far more interested in what Ali did outside of the ring than what he did inside the ring. If Ali had been a quiet Christian who fought in Vietnam you would have no interest in what he did. This thread is about Louis and black history month, and I'm not going to apologize to anyone for citing Louis-Schmeling II which happens to be the Louis fight that most exemplifies what that month is about. I don't need anyone, least of all an unscrupulous liar like yourself, to tell me what Louis' qualities were or who the other opponents of his career were. I know what Louis did inside and outside of the ring.
Now clueless member of the RELIGION OF ALI ifeelfine thinks his beloved Ali is a welterweight and stinks up this thread with his Ali fixation.

cmon gran, you can't just "Bash Ali" and a contributor and call that a good post. let's get relevant....or your going to run the risk of developing a bad reputation.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Feb 2008, 16:37

BoxBuzz wrote:
granberry wrote:
I Feel Fine wrote:Nope, you don't get to play that game dingleberry. You are the one who tells us we should focus only on one or two Ali fights and that we should ignore the rest of his career. You are the one who is far more interested in what Ali did outside of the ring than what he did inside the ring. If Ali had been a quiet Christian who fought in Vietnam you would have no interest in what he did. This thread is about Louis and black history month, and I'm not going to apologize to anyone for citing Louis-Schmeling II which happens to be the Louis fight that most exemplifies what that month is about. I don't need anyone, least of all an unscrupulous liar like yourself, to tell me what Louis' qualities were or who the other opponents of his career were. I know what Louis did inside and outside of the ring.
Now clueless member of the RELIGION OF ALI ifeelfine thinks his beloved Ali is a welterweight and stinks up this thread with his Ali fixation.
cmon gran, you can't just "Bash Ali" and a contributor and call that a good post. let's get relevant....or your going to run the risk of developing a bad reputation.

Learn HOW TO READ buzz.

My post was about a Washington post reporter and Leonard.

You have been deleting my posts whenever I nail your buddy Barry.

Now you are falsifying what I actually write and threatening me?

You can take your boxrec and shove it up your ass if you think you can falsify what I write and then threaten to ban me to keep your site safe for the ifeelfines and Barrys.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Feb 2008, 16:47

granberry wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
granberry wrote: Now clueless member of the RELIGION OF ALI ifeelfine thinks his beloved Ali is a welterweight and stinks up this thread with his Ali fixation.
cmon gran, you can't just "Bash Ali" and a contributor and call that a good post. let's get relevant....or your going to run the risk of developing a bad reputation.
Learn HOW TO READ buzz.

My post was about a Washington post reporter and Leonard.

You have been deleting my posts whenever I nail your buddy Barry.

Now you are falsifying what I actually write and threatening me?

You can take your boxrec and shove it up your ass if you think you can falsify what I write and then threaten to ban me to keep your site safe for the ifeelfines and Barrys.

gran....you certainly don't know what your talking about, I'm not the censoring type....and so far you have actually been in the safe harbor of my good will. But apparently you have no appreciation of tolerance. But I can certainly step aside and allow you to be washed away with the tide if you wish.

I was ribbing you only about what I put in quotes.....and as you can see there is no reference to those things in that specific contribution.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 09 Feb 2008, 17:01

granberry wrote:
I Feel Fine wrote:Sounds like you've been worshipping at the altar of Joe Louis...

Seriously speaking, nice story, really seems to capture the time. Louis beating Schmeling was sort of the ultimate erasure of any and all racial claims of superiority. Sort of a good fight to think about throughout the month. The Nazi's of course had to cut off the German radio transmission of the fight. Just like the other famous story of Hitler walking out when Jesse Owens won big in the Olympics. For a Master Race, they sure were sore losers.

Straight out of the mouth of a Ken Burns disciple.

Louis would not be mentioned at all by the current media with its lack of interest in boxing except for what fits their AGENDA.

According to the current media, Louis never had any fights except his second fight with Schmeling.

The fact that he was was the most completely equipped heavyweight champion offensively, with a great, damaging left jab, perhaps the best right hand ever because of its quickness and shortness and power and accuracy, great left hook, great body shots,
and trained so that he had endurance, power and accuracy in the late rounds,

is of no interest to the media since they have no use for boxing except when it serves as part of their overall current politcally correct agenda for a moment.

Remember, Louis never fought anyone except Max Schmeling.

Louis never fought Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Jack Sharkey, Jimmy Braddock, etc etc etc.

Braddock... someone should make a film about that fella......

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Feb 2008, 17:04

MatthewS wrote:
granberry wrote:
I Feel Fine wrote:Sounds like you've been worshipping at the altar of Joe Louis...

Seriously speaking, nice story, really seems to capture the time. Louis beating Schmeling was sort of the ultimate erasure of any and all racial claims of superiority. Sort of a good fight to think about throughout the month. The Nazi's of course had to cut off the German radio transmission of the fight. Just like the other famous story of Hitler walking out when Jesse Owens won big in the Olympics. For a Master Race, they sure were sore losers.

Straight out of the mouth of a Ken Burns disciple.

Louis would not be mentioned at all by the current media with its lack of interest in boxing except for what fits their AGENDA.

According to the current media, Louis never had any fights except his second fight with Schmeling.

The fact that he was was the most completely equipped heavyweight champion offensively, with a great, damaging left jab, perhaps the best right hand ever because of its quickness and shortness and power and accuracy, great left hook, great body shots,
and trained so that he had endurance, power and accuracy in the late rounds,

is of no interest to the media since they have no use for boxing except when it serves as part of their overall current politcally correct agenda for a moment.

Remember, Louis never fought anyone except Max Schmeling.

Louis never fought Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Jack Sharkey, Jimmy Braddock, etc etc etc.
Braddock... someone should make a film about that fella......

Someone other than clueless Opie, who felt the need to falsely portray Max Baer as a monster.

But I see where you get your boxing "knowledge from----Hollywood movies.

Proves my point again.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 09 Feb 2008, 17:16

granberry wrote:
MatthewS wrote:
granberry wrote:
Straight out of the mouth of a Ken Burns disciple.

Louis would not be mentioned at all by the current media with its lack of interest in boxing except for what fits their AGENDA.

According to the current media, Louis never had any fights except his second fight with Schmeling.

The fact that he was was the most completely equipped heavyweight champion offensively, with a great, damaging left jab, perhaps the best right hand ever because of its quickness and shortness and power and accuracy, great left hook, great body shots,
and trained so that he had endurance, power and accuracy in the late rounds,

is of no interest to the media since they have no use for boxing except when it serves as part of their overall current politcally correct agenda for a moment.

Remember, Louis never fought anyone except Max Schmeling.

Louis never fought Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Jack Sharkey, Jimmy Braddock, etc etc etc.
Braddock... someone should make a film about that fella......
Someone other than clueless Opie, who felt the need to falsely portray Max Baer as a monster.

But I see where you get your boxing "knowledge from----Hollywood movies.

Proves my point again.

And when did I ever claim any knowledge? Shows where you get your knowledge of my posts from then - your own head

Truth be told, I didn't even watch the film, but its existence alone tells you that the 'media' do disseminate more information about JL than his second fight with Schmeling.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 09 Feb 2008, 17:19

"And when did I ever claim any knowledge? Shows where you get your knowledge of my posts from then - your own head ..." - MatthewS

It's being knuckled as we speak.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 09 Feb 2008, 17:32

dagosd2000 wrote:We're back to Ali again. Amazing. I'm tellin' ya',I'm going to start a thread on Mary Pickford and see how fast it gets back to Ali.

Granberry suggested that I'm only focusing on one Louis fight, so I'm pointing out that he does the same. And what are you suggesting, anyway, that Ali doesn't belong in a thread about black history month?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 Feb 2008, 17:32

MatthewS wrote:
granberry wrote:
MatthewS wrote: Braddock... someone should make a film about that fella......
Someone other than clueless Opie, who felt the need to falsely portray Max Baer as a monster.

But I see where you get your boxing "knowledge from----Hollywood movies.

Proves my point again.
And when did I ever claim any knowledge? Shows where you get your knowledge of my posts from then - your own head

Truth be told, I didn't even watch the film, but its existence alone tells you that the 'media' do disseminate more information about JL than his second fight with Schmeling.

You are very wrong.

Opie's Hollywood "boxing" movie on Braddock ended before Braddock fought Louis.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 09 Feb 2008, 17:33

dagosd2000 wrote:We're back to Ali again. Amazing. I'm tellin' ya',I'm going to start a thread on Mary Pickford and see how fast it gets back to Ali.

Granberry suggested that I'm only focusing on one Louis fight (which I don't), so I'm pointing out that that is, in fact, what he does. And what are you suggesting, anyway, that Ali doesn't belong in a thread about black history month?

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 09 Feb 2008, 17:35

dagosd2000 wrote:We're back to Ali again. Amazing. I'm tellin' ya',I'm going to start a thread on Mary Pickford and see how fast it gets back to Ali.

Granberry suggested that I'm only focusing on one fight in Louis' career (which I don't), so I'm pointing out that that is, in fact, what he does with Ali. And what are you suggesting, anyway, that Ali doesn't belong in a thread about black history month?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Feb 2008, 18:01

5 best ways to avoid arguing with granberry:

*Don't look in his general direction.

*Avoid the use of any "greetings" or "introductions"

*Try to avoid language, words, or any audio or visual signs that may confirm your existence

*Avoid the use of oxygen when and where possible

*Don't engage regarding the subject of "boxing" or any other subject that may be considered a "topic"

Other than that, you should be good to go.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 09 Feb 2008, 18:26

I Feel Fine wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:We're back to Ali again. Amazing. I'm tellin' ya',I'm going to start a thread on Mary Pickford and see how fast it gets back to Ali.
Granberry suggested that I'm only focusing on one fight in Louis' career (which I don't), so I'm pointing out that that is, in fact, what he does with Ali. And what are you suggesting, anyway, that Ali doesn't belong in a thread about black history month?

Well,I was focused on Harlem night life and Joe Louis being a part of that.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 10 Feb 2008, 05:04

granberry wrote:
MatthewS wrote:
granberry wrote: Someone other than clueless Opie, who felt the need to falsely portray Max Baer as a monster.

But I see where you get your boxing "knowledge from----Hollywood movies.

Proves my point again.
And when did I ever claim any knowledge? Shows where you get your knowledge of my posts from then - your own head

Truth be told, I didn't even watch the film, but its existence alone tells you that the 'media' do disseminate more information about JL than his second fight with Schmeling.
You are very wrong.

Opie's Hollywood "boxing" movie on Braddock ended before Braddock fought Louis.

fair enough. that's all you had to say, but you always want to try and throw a little shot in there. why is that? you think anyone is converted by antagonism?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 10 Feb 2008, 14:31

MatthewS wrote:
granberry wrote:
MatthewS wrote: And when did I ever claim any knowledge? Shows where you get your knowledge of my posts from then - your own head

Truth be told, I didn't even watch the film, but its existence alone tells you that the 'media' do disseminate more information about JL than his second fight with Schmeling.
You are very wrong.

Opie's Hollywood "boxing" movie on Braddock ended before Braddock fought Louis.
fair enough. that's all you had to say, but you always want to try and throw a little shot in there. why is that? you think anyone is converted by antagonism?

Do you think anyone is "converted" by incompetence presented by clueless amateurs completely unfamiliar with a subject?