Couser need fight agent to book this fights....

[oliverfennell]

Let us face it. He is not winning many fights lately. He has been KOed in less than two rounds in four of his last five fights, and the one man he beat KOed him in a rematch. He got KOed in two by Calloway, and Calloway could only manage a points decision against poor old Bob Mirovic. If we want to bring in a heavy from overseas, surely we could do better than that!

Agree with you, but as said, he's better than the usual heavyweight imports. He can sure talk up a fight, too, and sorry to say it, but there's no heavyweight in Australia nearly as good as those who have beaten him recently.

Apart from Thompson, I don't see anybody of note in his recent list.
About the best of the rest is Moorer, and he is on the slide.

Who in Australia, then, is better than Barrett, Thompson, Moorer or even Calloway?

[Brute]

Meehan is rated number four contender by the WBA. I have already said that Thompson is a good fighter. Moorer is overweight and fighting nobodies, Barrett is fighting rubbish and losing a lot, Calloway only managed a points decision over Bob Mirovic, who Meehan owns, and has dropped back to cruiserweight.

What has Couser got going now anyway? Who has he beaten lately? Do you think he has a chance against Arreola?

[p4p1]

Please call 7022047259 Couser reay to fight....

That's not an aussie number dude. I don't even know what type of number that is.

Not surprised you don't recognise the number. Boxing imports to Aus are usually arranged by dialling the number for taxi services in Manila and Bangkok.

[Brute]

Don't encourage him.

[oliverfennell]

Meehan is rated number four contender by the WBA. I have already said that Thompson is a good fighter. Moorer is overweight and fighting nobodies, Barrett is fighting rubbish and losing a lot, Calloway only managed a points decision over Bob Mirovic, who Meehan owns, and has dropped back to cruiserweight.

What has Couser got going now anyway? Who has he beaten lately? Do you think he has a chance against Arreola?

OK, I'll give you Meehan. I forgot about him.

And I'll also agree with you on your assessments of Moorer, Barrett and Calloway. I never said they were world-beaters. What I did ask, though, was who in Australia is better than them? Sure, Meehan is, but Couser's not gonna fight Meehan in Oz.

I KNOW Couser doesn't bring a great deal to the table, but as I've said earlier, you can do a lot worse so far as heavyweight imports go. And, again, who is there in Australia who's as good or better than the aforementioned? Tauasa? Briggs? Haumono? Wilson? Mirovic? Mason? Hoppa? Tupou?

I would favour some (not all) of those to beat Couser, but NONE of them are better than Moorer (even the current version), Barrett or even Calloway.

[oliverfennell]

Don't encourage him.

Come on, get a sense of humour. Looking at the state of boxing imports to Oz, if you don't laugh, you'll cry!

[Brute]

Problem is I remember North American imports brought here in my time, and most of them were not much cop. One was a Canadian named Donato Paduano who came out here in the early 1970s to challenge my old gym mate Charkey Ramon for the Empire Junior Middleweight title. Paduano had never lost a fight on KO or TKO. Charkey punched him to a standstill in eleven rounds (Empire titles were fought over 15 rounds then). At the end of the fight Paduano's head looked about twice as big as it did at the start of the fight. Paduano went back to North America and fought on for a while, winning more fights than he lost and still nobody in North America stopped him.

Some of the American middleweights they brought out to fight Tony Mundine were very ordinary too, (Luis Rodriguez was an exception) although better than the South Americans.

[oliverfennell]

Actually, I may joke about it, but I realise the standard of imports to Oz (wherever they come from) is poor, and I realise what the reasons for it are - primarily money. It's not a big enough sport to command enough money for decent imports, and Australia's too isolated to spend money on flying someone in from any further than SE Asia or the Pacific islands.

Of course it's a Catch 22 situation - there's not enough of a fan base to bring enough money in to make good fights, but without good fights, the fan base won't increase...

[Sweet P]

Actually, I may joke about it, but I realise the standard of imports to Oz (wherever they come from) is poor, and I realise what the reasons for it are - primarily money. It's not a big enough sport to command enough money for decent imports, and Australia's too isolated to spend money on flying someone in from any further than SE Asia or the Pacific islands.

Of course it's a Catch 22 situation - there's not enough of a fan base to bring enough money in to make good fights, but without good fights, the fan base won't increase...

Thats exactly right Oliver, There isnt enough revenue to get the big names here.
Love him or hate him Mundine has at least raised the profile of Aussie boxing recently. Until he came along a lot of people didnt even know who Kostya Tszyu was and he was a P4P fighter at the time.

[toppity]

Actually, I may joke about it, but I realise the standard of imports to Oz (wherever they come from) is poor, and I realise what the reasons for it are - primarily money. It's not a big enough sport to command enough money for decent imports, and Australia's too isolated to spend money on flying someone in from any further than SE Asia or the Pacific islands.

Of course it's a Catch 22 situation - there's not enough of a fan base to bring enough money in to make good fights, but without good fights, the fan base won't increase...

Thats exactly right Oliver, There isnt enough revenue to get the big names here.
Love him or hate him Mundine has at least raised the profile of Aussie boxing recently. Until he came along a lot of people didnt even know who Kostya Tszyu was and he was a P4P fighter at the time.

The old saying - "any publicity is good publicity" is still true.

[oliverfennell]

Actually, I may joke about it, but I realise the standard of imports to Oz (wherever they come from) is poor, and I realise what the reasons for it are - primarily money. It's not a big enough sport to command enough money for decent imports, and Australia's too isolated to spend money on flying someone in from any further than SE Asia or the Pacific islands.

Of course it's a Catch 22 situation - there's not enough of a fan base to bring enough money in to make good fights, but without good fights, the fan base won't increase...

Thats exactly right Oliver, There isnt enough revenue to get the big names here.
Love him or hate him Mundine has at least raised the profile of Aussie boxing recently. Until he came along a lot of people didnt even know who Kostya Tszyu was and he was a P4P fighter at the time.

The old saying - "any publicity is good publicity" is still true.

Yeah, bring Couser over and match him with Les Mason. Couser will pull some angry faces in photos and talk himself up like the second coming in the press and then go out and destroy Mason (I'm sure he would). Ditto with Hoppa, and then maybe he can get past Mirovic/'probably get past Wilson. With these high-profile wins, it can set him up for someone liek Haumona or even Meehan. He probably wouldn't win these, but by then it will have been mission accomplished for all concerned - some paydays for Cliff and some decent exposure in the press.

[Sweet P]

Thats exactly right Oliver, There isnt enough revenue to get the big names here.
Love him or hate him Mundine has at least raised the profile of Aussie boxing recently. Until he came along a lot of people didnt even know who Kostya Tszyu was and he was a P4P fighter at the time.

The old saying - "any publicity is good publicity" is still true.

Yeah, bring Couser over and match him with Les Mason. Couser will pull some angry faces in photos and talk himself up like the second coming in the press and then go out and destroy Mason (I'm sure he would). Ditto with Hoppa, and then maybe he can get past Mirovic/'probably get past Wilson. With these high-profile wins, it can set him up for someone liek Haumona or even Meehan. He probably wouldn't win these, but by then it will have been mission accomplished for all concerned - some paydays for Cliff and some decent exposure in the press.

I see your point, It would be good for our heavies to have someone as good as him here fighting, Id say he would beat most our heavies excluding DeMori and Haumono but would put up a good show against both. Theres no way Meehan is ever fighting here again and he isnt an Aussie anyway.

The more import fighters from US and Europe the better, Im sick of watching Samoan heavies and Phillipino flyweights being out gunned and easily beaten by our fighters. Its not helping our fighters doing this and it wont get bums on seats to watch either.

Also while im whinging why dont our own top fighters and up and coming stars actually fight each other, There are good matchups in most divisions but there never made. I can think of at least 10-15 really competitive matchups that could be made. It would benifit our fighters as they would get valueble experience before heading overseas to take on the top ranked fighters , it would also stop us seeing them totally outclassed when they do.

[Marlin]

Thats exactly right Oliver, There isnt enough revenue to get the big names here.
Love him or hate him Mundine has at least raised the profile of Aussie boxing recently. Until he came along a lot of people didnt even know who Kostya Tszyu was and he was a P4P fighter at the time.

The old saying - "any publicity is good publicity" is still true.

Yeah, bring Couser over and match him with Les Mason. Couser will pull some angry faces in photos and talk himself up like the second coming in the press and then go out and destroy Mason (I'm sure he would). Ditto with Hoppa, and then maybe he can get past Mirovic/'probably get past Wilson. With these high-profile wins, it can set him up for someone liek Haumona or even Meehan. He probably wouldn't win these, but by then it will have been mission accomplished for all concerned - some paydays for Cliff and some decent exposure in the press.

I like it!

[Brute]

The old saying - "any publicity is good publicity" is still true.

Yeah, bring Couser over and match him with Les Mason. Couser will pull some angry faces in photos and talk himself up like the second coming in the press and then go out and destroy Mason (I'm sure he would). Ditto with Hoppa, and then maybe he can get past Mirovic/'probably get past Wilson. With these high-profile wins, it can set him up for someone liek Haumona or even Meehan. He probably wouldn't win these, but by then it will have been mission accomplished for all concerned - some paydays for Cliff and some decent exposure in the press.

I see your point, It would be good for our heavies to have someone as good as him here fighting, Id say he would beat most our heavies excluding DeMori and Haumono but would put up a good show against both. Theres no way Meehan is ever fighting here again and he isnt an Aussie anyway.

The more import fighters from US and Europe the better, Im sick of watching Samoan heavies and Phillipino flyweights being out gunned and easily beaten by our fighters. Its not helping our fighters doing this and it wont get bums on seats to watch either.

Also while im whinging why dont our own top fighters and up and coming stars actually fight each other, There are good matchups in most divisions but there never made. I can think of at least 10-15 really competitive matchups that could be made. It would benifit our fighters as they would get valueble experience before heading overseas to take on the top ranked fighters , it would also stop us seeing them totally outclassed when they do.

How did Mundine raise Tszyu's profile? Tszyu was World Champion when Mundine was still playing football, and already known as "The Thunder from Down Under." As for Couser, I still don't think he would be worth bringing out here. Who has he beaten lately?

As for Kali meehan, he is an Australian citizen and lives on the Central Coast of new South Wales. What else do you want?

[Brute]

That's not an aussie number dude. I don't even know what type of number that is.

Not surprised you don't recognise the number. Boxing imports to Aus are usually arranged by dialling the number for taxi services in Manila and Bangkok.

Funny that. Since Billy Dib has been fighting in the States the North American boxers do not seem to have had any more success against him than the Filipinos he was fighting here.

[Sweet P]

Yeah, bring Couser over and match him with Les Mason. Couser will pull some angry faces in photos and talk himself up like the second coming in the press and then go out and destroy Mason (I'm sure he would). Ditto with Hoppa, and then maybe he can get past Mirovic/'probably get past Wilson. With these high-profile wins, it can set him up for someone liek Haumona or even Meehan. He probably wouldn't win these, but by then it will have been mission accomplished for all concerned - some paydays for Cliff and some decent exposure in the press.

I see your point, It would be good for our heavies to have someone as good as him here fighting, Id say he would beat most our heavies excluding DeMori and Haumono but would put up a good show against both. Theres no way Meehan is ever fighting here again and he isnt an Aussie anyway.

The more import fighters from US and Europe the better, Im sick of watching Samoan heavies and Phillipino flyweights being out gunned and easily beaten by our fighters. Its not helping our fighters doing this and it wont get bums on seats to watch either.

Also while im whinging why dont our own top fighters and up and coming stars actually fight each other, There are good matchups in most divisions but there never made. I can think of at least 10-15 really competitive matchups that could be made. It would benifit our fighters as they would get valueble experience before heading overseas to take on the top ranked fighters , it would also stop us seeing them totally outclassed when they do.

How did Mundine raise Tszyu's profile? Tszyu was World Champion when Mundine was still playing football, and already known as "The Thunder from Down Under." As for Couser, I still don't think he would be worth bringing out here. Who has he beaten lately?

As for Kali meehan, he is an Australian citizen and lives on the Central Coast of new South Wales. What else do you want?

He raised the profile to average guy on the street, He got people interested in boxing.

[oliverfennell]

Not surprised you don't recognise the number. Boxing imports to Aus are usually arranged by dialling the number for taxi services in Manila and Bangkok.

Funny that. Since Billy Dib has been fighting in the States the North American boxers do not seem to have had any more success against him than the Filipinos he was fighting here.

Do I really have to spell it out?

1) Dib is more experienced now and thus able to make a bit of a step up.

2) He's not exactly fighting the cream of N. America, is he?

And anyway, yes they have had more success. Not that they won, but in the fact Dib has had some harder fights in the US than he did in Aus.

[Brute]

...and Couser is among the cream of American heavyweights?

[Brute]

By the way, does Moorer have to lose weight for tonight? He was 235lbs for his last fight, and tonight's opponent, Shelby Gross, is a small cruiserweight!

[Sweet P]

...and Couser is among the cream of American heavyweights?

Who do you think out of our fighters are better than Couser? He is a decent test for our guys and dont mention Meehan as he isnt fighting in Aus ever again.

[oliverfennell]

...and Couser is among the cream of American heavyweights?

Jesus wept, did I say he was? I said he's better than the other heavyweight imports you typically get. Dib is a completely different subject.

Why are you so defensive? The criticisms of Australian boxing are valid, and most Aussie fans would have the same criticisms.

[Brute]

With everybody bum-shining the foreigners, somebody has to play devil's advocate. I never voted for Howard either.

[Brute]

Well, there you go. Arreola knocked Couser out in 1:22 of the first round. Cliff should find another line of work.

[razor7]

you've been proved right Brute.As Couser was willing to come here I think we all hoped for a step up in class for Haumono, De Mori etc.I think we're all just frustrated at the lack of meaningful opponents for these guys and we wrongly clutched at the faded Couser.

[AntonS]

Aussies are generally focused on lightweights to super middys (welters in particular), and to certain extent light heavies, therefore, the promoters are reluctant to promote fights outside these divvys.
With lack of fights the guys lose interest, but stick around without any drive & ambition....particularly heavies.