Broncano,
Are you aware of any films of Mauro Mina fights?
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Question for Broncano---re Mauro Mina
Re: Question for Broncano---re Mauro Mina
Gran, the only Mina fight that is available in full is against Henry Hank at MSG.granberry wrote:Broncano,
Are you aware of any films of Mauro Mina fights?
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There's short highlights of the following fights:
Carlos Paiva
Hugo Medina
Artie Towne
Dutschmann 2
Freddie Mack 1
Sixto Rodriguez
Von Clay
Eddie Cotton 1 & 2
Allen Thomas
Floyd Mc Coy
In addition there's a peruvian filmmaker based in New York (and a very good friend of mine) who is giving the finishing touches to a comprehensive documentary on his life.
As far as his grandson, he actually is his grand-nephew. His name is Carlos Zambrano http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer
After an extensive amateur career he won his professional debut last week in the Bronx as a 130 pounder.
Re: Question for Broncano---re Mauro Mina
Broncano,
Why only one fight in the US?
What an impressive record.
He fought the best lightheavyweights in the world.
Why only one fight in the US?
What an impressive record.
He fought the best lightheavyweights in the world.
Exactly. He beat Hank at MSG on a national televised fight in November 62. He went back to Lima to beat Cotton in a rematch in early 63, and as #1 contender his people received an offer from Harold Johnson's camp to fight for the title between March and June of 63. A date and a venue are set: May 4th, 1963 in Las Vegas.enrique wrote:When Mina was about to get his title shot and become a regular in the US market he had to retire due to an eye injury. It's too bad because having seen him on film I believe he would have held the crown.
I was told this by the venerable Otto Salas, a walking encyclopedia on Peruvian boxing history and who was a witness to the negotiations between Johnson's people and Mina's handler Max Aguirre.
Later on through ny own research I confirmed Salas' story. Here's the newspaper clipping from Feb, 21st 1963 that proves it:
Fate conspired against Mauro. That's exactly when his people find out about the dettached retina, so the verbal agreement to fight Johnson never made it into a contract.
He undergoes eye surgery in March, but the official story to the press is that his right hand was injured.
This proves fatal to his career as it forces him to 9 months of inactivity and as a result he drops to #5 in the rankings.
Even then, a last attempt was made to get a title shot, this time against Pastrano who had taken the title from Johnson in June 63. Mina kayoes Chuck Leslie and then beats a young Bob Foster in Lima in late 63, making the pilgrimage again to New York in January 64.
A fight is signed against Allen Thomas as the feature bout at MSG. Young and upcoming Peruvian heavyweight (and Mina's sparring partner) Roberto Davila is on the undercard. Mauro's physical reveals the eye injury and the procedure on his retina, so the fight is cancelled and he is not licensed to fight in NY.
He went back to Lima and fought on for a couple of more years but for all intents and purposes his career ended in 1963, ironically just as he was offered the chance to fight for the title.
Thanks for all that, Broncano.Broncano wrote:Exactly. He beat Hank at MSG on a national televised fight in November 62. He went back to Lima to beat Cotton in a rematch in early 63, and as #1 contender his people received an offer from Harold Johnson's camp to fight for the title between March and June of 63. A date and a venue are set: May 4th, 1963 in Las Vegas.enrique wrote:When Mina was about to get his title shot and become a regular in the US market he had to retire due to an eye injury. It's too bad because having seen him on film I believe he would have held the crown.
I was told this by the venerable Otto Salas, a walking encyclopedia on Peruvian boxing history and who was a witness to the negotiations between Johnson's people and Mina's handler Max Aguirre.
Later on through ny own research I confirmed Salas' story. Here's the newspaper clipping from Feb, 21st 1963 that proves it:
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Fate conspired against Mauro. That's exactly when his people find out about the dettached retina, so the verbal agreement to fight Johnson never made it into a contract.
He undergoes eye surgery in March, but the official story to the press is that his right hand was injured.
This proves fatal to his career as it forces him to 9 months of inactivity and as a result he drops to #5 in the rankings.
Even then, a last attempt was made to get a title shot, this time against Pastrano who had taken the title from Johnson in June 63. Mina kayoes Chuck Leslie and then beats a young Bob Foster in Lima in late 63, making the pilgrimage again to New York in January 64.
A fight is signed against Allen Thomas as the feature bout at MSG. Young and upcoming Peruvian heavyweight (and Mina's sparring partner) Roberto Davila is on the undercard. Mauro's physical reveals the eye injury and the procedure on his retina, so the fight is cancelled and he is not licensed to fight in NY.
He went back to Lima and fought on for a couple of more years but for all intents and purposes his career ended in 1963, ironically just as he was offered the chance to fight for the title.
Meanwhile, that was the fight where Johnson's manager, Philly mob guy Pat 'Steaks' Olivieri, arranged for his own fighter to lose the title.
(Because of a situation where it was lucky that Johnson was able to come out alive).
It was known the whole time that Miami mob fighter Willie Pastrano was going to fight Johnson and "win" the title as long as he wasn't knocked out.
Tip-of-the-iceberg Angelo Dundee was there of course, in Pastrano's corner. Olivieri made the arrangements with the Miami mob people.
Meanwhile Johnson was first told he was fighting Mina, then told Mina was injured and Henry Hank (I think) would be his opponent, and then at the last moment Johnson was told he was fighting Pastrano.
The "fight" was similar to the Hagler-Leonard "fight."
All Pastrano had to do was last the end and he would "win" the "title."
Notice that Johnson, as good as he was, never got a return match after he "lost" the title.
Pastrano had some boxing ability, but he was never half the fighter Johnson was. Watch the several times in the fight where Johnson starts to get Pastrano in trouble--and the stooge ref immediately stops the action to warn Johnson for something and let Pastrano recover.
I was told the details of that situation by a longtime Philly cutman.
Johnson was very lucky he came out of that situation with only the loss of his title and not something more serious.
I started this thread on Mina, enrique.enrique wrote:Granberry, we are talking about Mina here.
Must you turn every single thread into an anti-Dundee, anti-Ali thread?
Man, you are obsessed and from my point of view, extremly incorrect in your assesement of Pastrano-Johnson.
Remember, we are talking Mina in this thread.
Read Broncano's very interesting post above.
It was about Mina's fight with Harold Johnson.
I continued by discussing the fight Johnson DID have when Mina pulled out.
Why don't you make it very clear what your supposed restrictions are on a thread such as this.
Are names of any of Mina's opponents allowed to be mentioned?
Are only comments acceptable to former employees of Chris Dundee to be allowed?
Why didn't Johnson ever get a return fight for his title?
Guys, how about we try to salvage this thread and continue talking about Mauro Mina.
In a television interview conducted by Panamanian boxing journalist Juan Carlos Tapia in 1980, Mauro would confess that his toughest fight was not against any of those who beat him (the Brazilian Luiz Ignacio "Luizao", the Uruguayan Dogomar Martinez and finally, Goyo Peralta) but rather against Artie Towne.
When Towne made his way to Lima in 1959 he was a veteran of one hundred fights and that would actually prove to be his very last professional bout. Mauro said in that interview that he learned more that night from the crafty New Yorker than in any of his other fights and to that day, 20 years later, he had the feeling that Artie could have beaten him if he had chosen to.
But Artie was a veteran on his farewell fight and rather chose to school the up and coming Mauro, doing just enough as not to actually get the decision. The Peruvian papers that I have had the chance to research talk about a lackluster and dull fight and I gather it might be because the untrained reporters were expecting something else.
They probably didnt realize that Towne's ring experience and skill enabled him not to engage in the type of bout Mina desired. Mina was strong, relentless and a prolific boxer puncher. Not exactly a defensive wizard, he was a fighter who excelled in drawing his opponents into close range battle.
His extraordinary physical abilities and his stamina would tip the scales in his favor, Not because he would pack a devastating punch in either hand but because his rivals would crumble below the volume and persistence of his arsenal.
Artie Towne knew better, though. "Everytime I turned around to find him, the man wasn't where he was supposed to be" Mauro said in the interview.
In a television interview conducted by Panamanian boxing journalist Juan Carlos Tapia in 1980, Mauro would confess that his toughest fight was not against any of those who beat him (the Brazilian Luiz Ignacio "Luizao", the Uruguayan Dogomar Martinez and finally, Goyo Peralta) but rather against Artie Towne.
When Towne made his way to Lima in 1959 he was a veteran of one hundred fights and that would actually prove to be his very last professional bout. Mauro said in that interview that he learned more that night from the crafty New Yorker than in any of his other fights and to that day, 20 years later, he had the feeling that Artie could have beaten him if he had chosen to.
But Artie was a veteran on his farewell fight and rather chose to school the up and coming Mauro, doing just enough as not to actually get the decision. The Peruvian papers that I have had the chance to research talk about a lackluster and dull fight and I gather it might be because the untrained reporters were expecting something else.
They probably didnt realize that Towne's ring experience and skill enabled him not to engage in the type of bout Mina desired. Mina was strong, relentless and a prolific boxer puncher. Not exactly a defensive wizard, he was a fighter who excelled in drawing his opponents into close range battle.
His extraordinary physical abilities and his stamina would tip the scales in his favor, Not because he would pack a devastating punch in either hand but because his rivals would crumble below the volume and persistence of his arsenal.
Artie Towne knew better, though. "Everytime I turned around to find him, the man wasn't where he was supposed to be" Mauro said in the interview.
Broncano,
I have heard about Mina's stamina.
What a pity he and Harold Johnson didn't meet.
It would have been a great lightheavyweight title fight.
Between two full grown lightheavyweights,
each with vast amounts of experience.
I will try to get the Mina-Hank film.
Did Mina ever make any comments about his other opponents (Foster, Cotton, etc) ?
Why is enrique's psychiatric trash left on this thread (which I started in the hope you would give us info on your favorite fighter) while my comments are being deleted right and left?
I have heard about Mina's stamina.
What a pity he and Harold Johnson didn't meet.
It would have been a great lightheavyweight title fight.
Between two full grown lightheavyweights,
each with vast amounts of experience.
I will try to get the Mina-Hank film.
Did Mina ever make any comments about his other opponents (Foster, Cotton, etc) ?
Why is enrique's psychiatric trash left on this thread (which I started in the hope you would give us info on your favorite fighter) while my comments are being deleted right and left?