Classic American West Coast Boxing

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 10:27

Mauro Vazquez

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 10:31

Baby Vazquez

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 10:36

Danny Valdez
Danny fought Davey Moore for the FW title...cicra1960

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 10:38

Signing for fight in Bakersfield, Seated L to R Tommy Noel, Larry Soto -Opponents American Representative, Trainer Denny Abenellia and Matchmaker Davies

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 11:22

dagosd2000 wrote: Kiki,you were going to get back with me about Howie Steindler's incident when he got mugged.

Diego,

"I don't know nothing"
Seriously, I don't have much to share on Howie Steindler's death, other then to say I was not suprise that it happened. why do I say that? the last time I saw Howie alive was about 10 days before he was killed and he was telling me about a meet he had with some guys whom he wouldn't name, anyway these guys wanted to take over Danny "Lil Red" Lopez, he told the guys that Danny was not for sale, the guys started to get angry at Howie for saying no, and I can just picture this next scene when he said he told them "What, you're going to apply some muscle?"

Did they? I don't know the answer to that.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 11:58

George "Scap Iron" Johnson

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 18 Feb 2008, 12:26

kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote: Kiki,you were going to get back with me about Howie Steindler's incident when he got mugged.
Diego,

"I don't know nothing"
Seriously, I don't have much to share on Howie Steindler's death, other then to say I was not suprise that it happened. why do I say that? the last time I saw Howie alive was about 10 days before he was killed and he was telling me about a meet he had with some guys whom he wouldn't name, anyway these guys wanted to take over Danny "Lil Red" Lopez, he told the guys that Danny was not for sale, the guys started to get angry at Howie for saying no, and I can just picture this next scene when he said he told them "What, you're going to apply some muscle?"

Did they? I don't know the answer to that.

Man was that an eye opener. You knew a heck of a lot more than me. Thanks Kiki.

By the way,I got a charge out of that picture of Baby Vasquez. That smile tells you something. I saw a replay on Mexican TV of Vasquez fighting Napoles. Napoles couldn't find his chin much that night. That smile says"Now you see me now you don't" A very elusive and smart fighter. Thanks again

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 18 Feb 2008, 12:36

dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote: Kiki,you were going to get back with me about Howie Steindler's incident when he got mugged.
Diego,

"I don't know nothing"
Seriously, I don't have much to share on Howie Steindler's death, other then to say I was not suprise that it happened. why do I say that? the last time I saw Howie alive was about 10 days before he was killed and he was telling me about a meet he had with some guys whom he wouldn't name, anyway these guys wanted to take over Danny "Lil Red" Lopez, he told the guys that Danny was not for sale, the guys started to get angry at Howie for saying no, and I can just picture this next scene when he said he told them "What, you're going to apply some muscle?"

Did they? I don't know the answer to that.
Man was that an eye opener. You knew a heck of a lot more than me. Thanks Kiki.

By the way,I got a charge out of that picture of Baby Vasquez. That smile tells you something. I saw a replay on Mexican TV of Vasquez fighting Napoles. Napoles couldn't find his chin much that night. That smile says"Now you see me now you don't" A very elusive and smart fighter. Thanks again

Dagos, that picture of Vasquez captures perfectly what you were talking about in the thread you made called "Grace and Poise under pressure".
A different attitude than is often seen nowadays.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 18 Feb 2008, 12:45

elmersalsa wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Irish Bob Murphy
One of my favorites. A tough guy in and outside the ring. Still haven't answered my question. A book from you two. I don't want to read Sugar and Hauser. They're more on the outside looking in. You two have personal experiences that the other two can only get through second hand sources. Besides everthing on ESPN is either Ali or stuff on the east coast or Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis. No knocking those guys,but come on there was more fighting going on elsewhere. Especially on the West Coast. In the 50's,60's,and70's I thought boxing was deeper and much more interesting out here. Well,maybe the last hurrah for boxing at MSG was the 50's and early 60's then theater TV took over. Think about it. We're hungry for other stuff.
That is what I am talking about....The sport of boxing has produced too many legendary champions and fighters for ESPN to concentrate in one man like if he invented boxing. C'mon now, I am an Ali fan, but seeing his fights over and over on tv, especially on ESPNCLASSIC makes me sick.

I want to see fights that happened in the LA Forum or Arena Coliseo in Mexico City.

Elmer,You're absolutely right. There are a million great stories out there of great fighters. The region in SoCal and Mexico was very deep with fighters that could have packed them in back East. One time Mexico had more registered fighters than any country in the world. We can thank people like George Parnassus and Eileen Eaton for bringing those boys across the border. The big fights in LA was a Chicano(Mexican /American) against a Mexican National. It's funny,everytime I saw a fight like this in LA. ,the Mexican National was always the more popular fighter. Example:Chacon vs. Olivares. Almost all the Chicanos were home grown Mexicans that night.

I had a sister in law in Mexico City. I would always make sure I went to the fights at the Arena Coliseo.(Mexico's Madison Square Garden). The place is near Plaza Garibaldi,a real rough area now. I always made sure I went with my brother in laws. The place goes straight up 4 floors. There are signs posted saying "No apueste"(No gambling). As soon as you walk in all you can see is everybody betting on the fights! When Joe Louis toured with Arturo Godoy throughout Latin America,they fought an exhibition there. I believe they also fought in Mexicali.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 18 Feb 2008, 12:52

Expug wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote: Diego,

"I don't know nothing"
Seriously, I don't have much to share on Howie Steindler's death, other then to say I was not suprise that it happened. why do I say that? the last time I saw Howie alive was about 10 days before he was killed and he was telling me about a meet he had with some guys whom he wouldn't name, anyway these guys wanted to take over Danny "Lil Red" Lopez, he told the guys that Danny was not for sale, the guys started to get angry at Howie for saying no, and I can just picture this next scene when he said he told them "What, you're going to apply some muscle?"

Did they? I don't know the answer to that.
Man was that an eye opener. You knew a heck of a lot more than me. Thanks Kiki.

By the way,I got a charge out of that picture of Baby Vasquez. That smile tells you something. I saw a replay on Mexican TV of Vasquez fighting Napoles. Napoles couldn't find his chin much that night. That smile says"Now you see me now you don't" A very elusive and smart fighter. Thanks again
Dagos, that picture of Vasquez captures perfectly what you were talking about in the thread you made called "Grace and Poise under pressure".
A different attitude than is often seen nowadays.

Expug,that's what always got me about the Mexican fighters I saw growing up. That stoic look on their faces. Don't even try to intimidate them. They saw that as a sign of weakness. Like Sixto Rodriguez in Fat City. He gets off the bus,goes to the drugstore,gets something for his kidneys,pisses some blood,fights Billy Tully,loses,and gets back on the bus to Mexico. Silent scenes thar say everything.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 18 Feb 2008, 12:54

dagosd2000 wrote:
Expug wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote: Man was that an eye opener. You knew a heck of a lot more than me. Thanks Kiki.

By the way,I got a charge out of that picture of Baby Vasquez. That smile tells you something. I saw a replay on Mexican TV of Vasquez fighting Napoles. Napoles couldn't find his chin much that night. That smile says"Now you see me now you don't" A very elusive and smart fighter. Thanks again
Dagos, that picture of Vasquez captures perfectly what you were talking about in the thread you made called "Grace and Poise under pressure".
A different attitude than is often seen nowadays.
Expug,that's what always got me about the Mexican fighters I saw growing up. That stoic look on their faces. Don't even try to intimidate them. They saw that as a sign of weakness. Like Sixto Rodriguez in Fat City. He gets off the bus,goes to the drugstore,gets something for his kidneys,pisses some blood,fights Billy Tully,loses,and gets back on the bus to Mexico. Silent scenes thar say everything.

My favorite flick.
Thats a great scene and Im sure real.
I also liked the negotiation for that fight in the Bowling alley between the promoter and Tullys manager.
Classic.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 12:56

Are we having fun yet!

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 18 Feb 2008, 13:00

Kiki or Rick(Expug you'll like this),Anything on "Maceton" Cabrera? I saw him fight Marcos Geraldo in Tijuana. "Maceton" would walk with a limp and he had this gray hair that made him look 80 years old. Maybe he was?
He fought in all the small towns in Mexico,usually fighting a kid on the way up. Reminded me of the Sixto Rodriguez character in Fat City. Fighting was a way of making a living. He knew he was never going to be the Champ. He had no illusions,but he came to fight and you knew he wasn't going to fold to get a quick paycheck.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 13:04

Cisco Andrade

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 18 Feb 2008, 13:14

Expug wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
Expug wrote: Dagos, that picture of Vasquez captures perfectly what you were talking about in the thread you made called "Grace and Poise under pressure".
A different attitude than is often seen nowadays.
Expug,that's what always got me about the Mexican fighters I saw growing up. That stoic look on their faces. Don't even try to intimidate them. They saw that as a sign of weakness. Like Sixto Rodriguez in Fat City. He gets off the bus,goes to the drugstore,gets something for his kidneys,pisses some blood,fights Billy Tully,loses,and gets back on the bus to Mexico. Silent scenes thar say everything.
My favorite flick.
Thats a great scene and Im sure real.
I also liked the negotiation for that fight in the Bowling alley between the promoter and Tullys manager.
Classic.

Art Aragon and Curtis Cokes had great parts in that movie. Fat City,to me,is one of those cult films. As great a movie as any that got all the Oscars. But I think people would look at that movie and they wouldn't get it. Goes over their heads. The dialogue is low key. A story about fighters in the San Jouquin Valley? They don't get it. They can't relate. But we do. Screw em.

Hey,how about Susan Tyrell,Tully's girlfriend? Boy did I see dames like that in some of those joints. "Treat me like a lady" She should have gotten an Oscar. Some one said she has a crippling disease. That's tough. You know what though? Film critics understood that Fat City is a great movie. John Huston's last great movie. I don't think sport fans are into boxing like some of the other sports. Maybe it's because you can't take a lady to a fight,unless it's Susan Tyrell.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 13:19

Howie Steindler

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 18 Feb 2008, 13:46

kikibalt wrote:
Howie Steindler

Hey Kiki,that's Howie Steindler all right. The Johnston brothers owned a bar on Market Street in San Diego. Charley handled Archie Moore and I think the bar was his brother Bob's place. I saw Howie in there one night with Bob Johnston. By that time the neighborhood was going sour. Next door Bob also owned The Hollywood Burlesque Theater. It was the last B House left in the United States. I heard them talking about going out to dinner with Bob's wife. She was one of the strippers at the Hollywood. "Texas Bobbie Roberts" I remember seeing an old San Diego paper going back to 1945. One of the advertisements on the back said"Hollywood Burlesque Theater featuring Texas Bobbie Roberts" I saw her dance a few times before they closed the place. Let me tell ya,she was still some sexy gal!

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 13:51

Rick,
Remember that one nite back in 1969 I believe it was, when you and I amount others had to jump in the ring at the 'EL Monte Legion Stadium"?

That was one hell of a nite, I still remember it like it was yesterday.
Why don't you tell the story to the guys here.

Frank

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 13:54

Diego
Just how old're you dude, you sound older then me, and I'm f...king old.

Rick Farris · Post by **Rick Farris** » 18 Feb 2008, 14:52

Frank . . .

I'll never forget that night, and I'll send you a team photo that was taken at the very moment the "riot" took place.

It was in March, 1969, the Southern Pacific AAU Championships had taken place that night, and the winners who would rep L.A. in the National Tournement were up in the ring for a team photo.

Besides myself, Mike Quarry, Nat'l GG heavy champ Walter Moore, Pete Vital, Rudy Acuna (Ruben Navarro's cousin we called "porky"), Florentino Ramirez, Toomy Coulson, Jake Horne, Memo Soto, just some of the names.

The riot started after Mike Quarry's disputed decision victory over a hilybilly named James Dick. The whole Quarry Family was in attendence, as was Dick's big hillbilly family.

You have the Quarry Shanty Irish Army suddenly at battle with James Dick's Hillbilly relatives, and was it a war. The girls were slugging it out, pulling hair, ripping off ear rings. The guys, mostly drunk, were rolling around on the floor throwing punches, biting one another, choking the breath out of each other.

Meanwhile, Johnny Flores thought it was time to try and get the battle under control. "I was going to try bringing peace to the situation, but when I saw "Ma Kettel" (Flores nick-name for Jerry's mother Arawanda) pounding on one of the hillbilly men, I knew it was best to wait for the riot squad to arrive.

Ringsiders such as Kiki, had to jump into the ring, seeking a safe haven from Ma Kettle and the Quarry women. Let's tell the truth Frank, you may have stepped into the ring with some all-time greats in your time, but the thought of tangling with the Quarry women is a bit scary, huh?

Adios . . .

Ricardo

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 15:08

Tanling with the Quarry men I don't worry about, its the Quarry women that scare me!!

Frank

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 18 Feb 2008, 16:03

kikibalt wrote:Tanling with the Quarry men I don't worry about, its the Quarry women that scare me!!

Frank

I remember reading somewhere about Jerrys ex, I think her name was Charlie. There was a little drama.
I think it was written by Gil Clancy.
Cant remember the details.
She didnt like her seat at one of Jerrys fights. Jerry was all upset something like that.
There was a fiasco of some sort.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 16:29

One of Jerry's wife, don't know what number this one was, they look young so probably the first one.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 18 Feb 2008, 16:35

Is this the same one as the one on the first photo?

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 18 Feb 2008, 16:37

kikibalt wrote:
Is this the same one as the one on the first photo?

Looks like shes got a Q tip resting on her ear.
Was she workin the corner?

Classic American West Coast Boxing

El Monte Legion Stadium . . .