Classic American West Coast Boxing

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 19 Feb 2008, 05:12

I REMEMBER an undercard of a fight of Pipino Cuevas vs Angel Espada III...I think it was in LA.

that fight of Gato Aldama vs Randy Shields...the Mexican crowd thought that Aldama, a Mexican, won the fight. I thought he won the fight also. When the announcer said that Shields won, I saw a lot of bottles and beer cans flying into the ring...What an UNGLY SIGHT. I am lucky that I saw that fight on tv

Do you remember that fight Frank or anybody else remember that fight?

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 19 Feb 2008, 05:12

I REMEMBER an undercard of a fight of Pipino Cuevas vs Angel Espada III...I think it was in LA.

that fight of Gato Aldama vs Randy Shields...the Mexican crowd thought that Aldama, a Mexican, won the fight. I thought he won the fight also. When the announcer said that Shields won, I saw a lot of bottles and beer cans flying into the ring...What an UNGLY SIGHT. I am lucky that I saw that fight on tv

Do you remember that fight Frank or anybody else remember that fight?

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 19 Feb 2008, 05:12

I REMEMBER an undercard of a fight of Pipino Cuevas vs Angel Espada III...I think it was in LA.

that fight of Gato Aldama vs Randy Shields...the Mexican crowd thought that Aldama, a Mexican, won the fight. I thought he won the fight also. When the announcer said that Shields won, I saw a lot of bottles and beer cans flying into the ring...What an UNGLY SIGHT. I am lucky that I saw that fight on tv

Do you remember that fight Frank or anybody else remember that fight?

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 08:06

barry wrote:Frank---I hope that you get to feeling better. I know exactly what you mean when you say that you are "drained" from treatment. I'm currently in the middle of a type of chemo and it has simply just wiped me out for the last three months. I typically have one to two good days a week!

Barry,
Its a bitch, ain't it?

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 08:08

elmersalsa wrote:
Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Diego
Really appreciate your thoughts, but I just don't have the energy for that kind of a job, Rick already knows what I'm going to tell you, and that is that I have cancer and my treatment just drain me of all my energy.
So again I appreciate your thoughts and I thank you for them.

Frank
Very very sorry to hear that Frank.
Your in my prayers.
YOU ARE IN MINES TOO, FRANK SR.

elmersalsa,

Thanks

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 08:10

elmersalsa wrote:I REMEMBER an undercard of a fight of Pipino Cuevas vs Angel Espada III...I think it was in LA.

that fight of Gato Aldama vs Randy Shields...the Mexican crowd thought that Aldama, a Mexican, won the fight. I thought he won the fight also. When the announcer said that Shields won, I saw a lot of bottles and beer cans flying into the ring...What an UNGLY SIGHT. I am lucky that I saw that fight on tv

Do you remember that fight Frank or anybody else remember that fight?

I wasn't there that nite, but I heard about it from some friends that were there.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 08:27

Eder Jofre at the Main St. Gym, L.A.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 08:30

Edre Jofre (R) vs Herman Marquez

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 11:14

Efren "Alacran" Torres

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 11:21

Turkey Thompson

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 19 Feb 2008, 13:27

Wow! thanks again Scar.
What was the crowd like at the Defazio fight?
Were they a little salty at the outcome?
I was a bit young at the time of that fight.
Wasnt there.
Ben Bentley was great and a legendary announcer.
He actually was the ring announcer for a fight of mine.
At Chicagos Park West in 89.
Im real proud of that .
He was great.
I remember comin into the ring to some goofy song (probably the Pogues) and Bentley actually shouted into the michrophone "turn down that music".
The only time Ive ever seen a ring announcer do that.
It was great.
The music was turned down .[/quote]

Expug, the crowd was great. Although the hometowner lost, everyone had just seen a masterful exhibition of boxing and appreciated it. DeFazio was never down, just pelted by every jab, uppercut, hook and cross that came his way. Ater the Doc stopped the fight before the 10th round, Rocky walked back to his dressing room right past me, and man, his eye was gruesome. Closed tighter than a drum. When Bentley passed on the obits in the media were odd. It posted his age and then proceeded to state some of his promotional accomplishments in his career, including the Dempsey-Tunney 'long count'. I don't know where thay got their info, because Bentley was 7 years old when that fight took place in Soldier Field.

Scartissue

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 19 Feb 2008, 13:44

Danny's fists and Ernie's fists are exactly the same: like freckled mallets.

Incidentally, there is an article on Jimmy Heair on the Retired Boxers' Foundation site and, apart from a bad back (shades of Mando), Jimmy is fine.

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 19 Feb 2008, 13:50

dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Did Lewis stop to get his pay?
You know,I never thought about that. Good one. Hey Pal I saw the same thing happen at the bullring when Davy Moore stopped Kid Irapuato. Moore jumps out of the ring with his robe and gloves still on ,runs outside,and flags a cab to the border. I think money was the last thing on their minds.

Speaking of Irapuato, did you hear about his fight south of the border against 'El Gato' Gonzalez? During the bout someone in the crowd threw a live rattlesnake in the ring. Man, a rough crowd down there.

Scartissue

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 14:01

Posted, courtesy of "The Retired Boxer'sFoundation"

Name: "Irish" Jimmy Heair

DOB: July 14, 1952, Houston, MS.

Amateur: about a 100 fights, three time Mississippi champ, Southern champ, AAU runner up 69. "I was a big sports fan as a kid, football, basketball, and then boxing, when I started boxing I weighed about a 100 lbs", says Jimmy.

Pro: 96-32-1 in a career that lasted from 1972 and effectively ended a decade later although his last fight was in 1984.
prospect & contender: Jimmy Heair arrived to Los Angeles in 71 by way of Ignacio, Colorado where his family had moved. "I had met Jerry Moore at the national championhsips and L A in those days was the best place to be a for a lightweight. Jerry was a very good man, he took good care of me. I won my first 33 fights" says Jimmy.
Heair turned pro, managed by Jerry Moore and trained by Henry Blouin. He wasn´t a natural but had talent, worked hard and learned quickly. He won his first nine fights on points which indicates a non-puncher but developed a sharp left hook that was especially effective to the body. In less than a year Jimmy was fighting ten rounders at the Inglewood Forum and became popular with his busy style, good skills and big heart - the Irish heritage probably didn´t hurt either. At the end of 1972 he beat Miguel Mayon and Angel Mayoral, two fringe contenders and in March of 73 he outscored a true contender in Chango Carmona and was world ranked.
A shot at then World lightweight champ Roberto Duran was talked about and expected before the end of the 73. However, against Carmona Heair suffered a broken nose that sidelined him for a few months, he then rebroke it sparring with then WBC 135 lb champ Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzales.
"Gato" was probably even better than Duran" says Jimmy but downplays the broken nose incident. "I can´t recall how many times I had my nose broken, at times it was so sore it brought tears to my eyes as I touched it and it was never fixed right."
But then Heair adds: "If you give a young man, a small town kid, a few bucks, have him in a big city and a pretty girl by his side he will get in trouble! I felt like I was the champ of the world but I was only a contender."

Jimmy came back - probably too soon - and but kept winning and in the fall of 73 he stopped another hot prospect and contender in Arturo "the Fury" Pineda. "My two best fights were against Pineda and Carmona." The nose injury continued to be a problem (and affects Jimmy to this day). In May of 74 he took on Rudy Barro, a tough, decent fighter but the kind a world ranked fighter should be able to beat, and lost a ten round decision in a huge upset. Heair bounced back with three straight wins and accepted a fight with highly ranked Australian Hector Thompson in August of 74 - a win there and Heair would have been back in the picture. Jimmy lost though: "I think if Hector and I had thought three times I would have won two but on this night he was the better man."

Back home Jimmy lost an upset split decision to Arturo Leon, whom he previously had beaten twice, moved up to jr welter, relocated to El Paso, Texas. Heair also left Jerry Moore and his first wife. "My new manager was Ron Weathers and he had no clue about boxing. I thought I knew a lot about boxing but I didn´t know enough."
The result was a very busy schedule with fights against topnotchers all over the world at lightweight, jr welter and welter. Jimmy scored some good wins - for instance in stopping Laudiel Negron and Gerardo Ferrat and there were some tough losses like the one to Argentinian great Nicolino Locche in Buenos Aires. "They raised his hands when it was over but he didn´t win that one", says Jimmy.

But there were also upset losses and Heair went 0-2-1 against Arturo Leon, a short, stocky, clubfighter: "He just had my number" states Jimmy but a better reason for the off performances could be that there were no time to recuperate. Heair fought one tough fight after the other giving his all every time. Just three weeks after fighting Thai contender Tongta Kiatvayupakdi in Bangkok - "a close one, could have gone either way" - Heair fought world class welter Armando Muniz in El Paso. "Muniz was a full fledged welter, he was just too strong for me."

Jimmy Heair´s days as a contender was about over now, he gave Brit Dave Green and New Yorker Harold Weston very tough fights on their respective turfs but lost clearly to both. A very good win over then unbeaten Rudy Hernandez proved Jimmy still had a lot left.

Journeyman and hometown hero: Heair relocated again, this time to almost home in Memphis, Tennessee. "I became a hometown fighter and beat a lot of not so good fighters, you know how it is in boxing, they can build you up just as easy as they can take you down."
His Memphis debut was a minor disaster though as he was outscored by the unknown Freddie "the Stepper" Harris. However a tko win over Rudy Hernandez in Tuscon, Arizona, put Heair back in the picture and he became one of the biggest drawing cards in the region as boxing was revived in Tennessee and Mississippi. Jimmy, now up to welter, was popular and the fans knew they would get their money´s worth when he was headlining. He got revenge over Harris, won something called the Southern welterweight title and came close to be ranked again with a stoppage win over Jimmy Corkum. Then the came the wrong kind of opponent, a slick, southpaw from Miami, Adriano Marrero and Jimmy lost a decision. Very tough fights against Pete Ranzany in a NABF titlefight and Roberto Duran followed - " Duran is the best guy I ever fought, he would do anything to win."

Jimmy fought his heart out but was a clear loser to both. "Jimmy Heair is like a Rolex" stated one reporter. "he takes a lickin´ but keeps on tickin". His best days behind him Jimmy got into a welterweight tournament in Orlando, Florida, but was upset by Richard House, the kind of fighter he would have licked a few years earlier. A bad ko loss to Sal Lopez July 1, 1980, appeared to be the end for Jimmy, who according to the Ring´s reporter was in a daze ten minutes after the fight had ended. But less than three months later Jimmy headlined at home in Memphis and was a popular winner over Maurice Quillen, which set up another long string of wins as headliner in Memphis, Tupelo and even his birthtown Houston. He stopped Johnny Copeland in a Southern title defence and won the Texas title at welter. But all reports from the fights indicate a very tough fighter past his best. A loss in Chicago to young upstart Roosevelt Green in August of 81 ended his journeyman days.

The trialhorse: Jimmy suffered back to back losses to Mike Senegal and future champ Mike McCallum - a second round stoppage (on his feet and protesting but he was pretty much outclassed). From now on Heair lost many more fights than he won, his record the last three years reads 4-8 and even the wins came hard. Stoppage losses to Nino La Rocca and Don King (the fighter) in Atlantic City spelled the end for a very brave fighter´s fighter. Jimmy stepped in as a very late sub in 83 against Jim Pixley and was outclassed, gave local hero Danny Ferris a tough fight the first time they fought but was stopped - and stopped a lot easier the second time. Finally Heair went out against Adam George on a second round knockout. "One of the toughest thing for a fighter to do is to know when to go out" says Jimmy with hindsight. "One shouldn´t fight past 30, as a young man you can absorb punishment but as you get older it catch up on you."

After boxing: Jimmy moved to Hamilton, Alabama, not so far from either Houston, MS, or Memphis. He contiuned to work in boxing as a trainer, opened a gym, held down the odd job but remained in boxing. "Out here we don´t have much boxing though, this is football country, or basketball. I trained a lot of kids, some were pretty good but all in all it´s tough to get kids to stick with boxing."
He had married in El Paso with Carol had two kids, divorced, remarried and had a daughter. A bad back, the result of a long and hard career eventually led to that Jimmy got on disability. "I still love boxing and watch whenever I can but again, we don´t have much boxing out here."

Jimmy Heair never became a champion - and even if all cards had been played right he might have failed. The lightweights in the 70´s on the West Coast and in the world were loaded with talent. Heair was sparring with reigning WBC champ Rodolfo Gonzales, the fearsome Roberto Duran was the universially recognized World champ. However, all in all in his career he achieved more than most champions ever do. "I might have been a champion, we will never know, but I´m sure my career had been very different had I stayed with Jerry Moore."

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 19 Feb 2008, 14:11

That's the one, Mr Baltazar. I worried about Jimmy, given some of his later fights (writer Graham Houston described his loss to Duran as "a brutal beating"), so it came as a major relief to stumble across the article and discover he is OK.
Man, he was tough!

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 19 Feb 2008, 14:36

kikibalt wrote:Posted, courtesy of "The Retired Boxer'sFoundation"

Name: "Irish" Jimmy Heair

DOB: July 14, 1952, Houston, MS.

Amateur: about a 100 fights, three time Mississippi champ, Southern champ, AAU runner up 69. "I was a big sports fan as a kid, football, basketball, and then boxing, when I started boxing I weighed about a 100 lbs", says Jimmy.

Pro: 96-32-1 in a career that lasted from 1972 and effectively ended a decade later although his last fight was in 1984.
prospect & contender: Jimmy Heair arrived to Los Angeles in 71 by way of Ignacio, Colorado where his family had moved. "I had met Jerry Moore at the national championhsips and L A in those days was the best place to be a for a lightweight. Jerry was a very good man, he took good care of me. I won my first 33 fights" says Jimmy.
Heair turned pro, managed by Jerry Moore and trained by Henry Blouin. He wasn´t a natural but had talent, worked hard and learned quickly. He won his first nine fights on points which indicates a non-puncher but developed a sharp left hook that was especially effective to the body. In less than a year Jimmy was fighting ten rounders at the Inglewood Forum and became popular with his busy style, good skills and big heart - the Irish heritage probably didn´t hurt either. At the end of 1972 he beat Miguel Mayon and Angel Mayoral, two fringe contenders and in March of 73 he outscored a true contender in Chango Carmona and was world ranked.
A shot at then World lightweight champ Roberto Duran was talked about and expected before the end of the 73. However, against Carmona Heair suffered a broken nose that sidelined him for a few months, he then rebroke it sparring with then WBC 135 lb champ Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzales.
"Gato" was probably even better than Duran" says Jimmy but downplays the broken nose incident. "I can´t recall how many times I had my nose broken, at times it was so sore it brought tears to my eyes as I touched it and it was never fixed right."
But then Heair adds: "If you give a young man, a small town kid, a few bucks, have him in a big city and a pretty girl by his side he will get in trouble! I felt like I was the champ of the world but I was only a contender."

Jimmy came back - probably too soon - and but kept winning and in the fall of 73 he stopped another hot prospect and contender in Arturo "the Fury" Pineda. "My two best fights were against Pineda and Carmona." The nose injury continued to be a problem (and affects Jimmy to this day). In May of 74 he took on Rudy Barro, a tough, decent fighter but the kind a world ranked fighter should be able to beat, and lost a ten round decision in a huge upset. Heair bounced back with three straight wins and accepted a fight with highly ranked Australian Hector Thompson in August of 74 - a win there and Heair would have been back in the picture. Jimmy lost though: "I think if Hector and I had thought three times I would have won two but on this night he was the better man."

Back home Jimmy lost an upset split decision to Arturo Leon, whom he previously had beaten twice, moved up to jr welter, relocated to El Paso, Texas. Heair also left Jerry Moore and his first wife. "My new manager was Ron Weathers and he had no clue about boxing. I thought I knew a lot about boxing but I didn´t know enough."
The result was a very busy schedule with fights against topnotchers all over the world at lightweight, jr welter and welter. Jimmy scored some good wins - for instance in stopping Laudiel Negron and Gerardo Ferrat and there were some tough losses like the one to Argentinian great Nicolino Locche in Buenos Aires. "They raised his hands when it was over but he didn´t win that one", says Jimmy.

But there were also upset losses and Heair went 0-2-1 against Arturo Leon, a short, stocky, clubfighter: "He just had my number" states Jimmy but a better reason for the off performances could be that there were no time to recuperate. Heair fought one tough fight after the other giving his all every time. Just three weeks after fighting Thai contender Tongta Kiatvayupakdi in Bangkok - "a close one, could have gone either way" - Heair fought world class welter Armando Muniz in El Paso. "Muniz was a full fledged welter, he was just too strong for me."

Jimmy Heair´s days as a contender was about over now, he gave Brit Dave Green and New Yorker Harold Weston very tough fights on their respective turfs but lost clearly to both. A very good win over then unbeaten Rudy Hernandez proved Jimmy still had a lot left.

Journeyman and hometown hero: Heair relocated again, this time to almost home in Memphis, Tennessee. "I became a hometown fighter and beat a lot of not so good fighters, you know how it is in boxing, they can build you up just as easy as they can take you down."
His Memphis debut was a minor disaster though as he was outscored by the unknown Freddie "the Stepper" Harris. However a tko win over Rudy Hernandez in Tuscon, Arizona, put Heair back in the picture and he became one of the biggest drawing cards in the region as boxing was revived in Tennessee and Mississippi. Jimmy, now up to welter, was popular and the fans knew they would get their money´s worth when he was headlining. He got revenge over Harris, won something called the Southern welterweight title and came close to be ranked again with a stoppage win over Jimmy Corkum. Then the came the wrong kind of opponent, a slick, southpaw from Miami, Adriano Marrero and Jimmy lost a decision. Very tough fights against Pete Ranzany in a NABF titlefight and Roberto Duran followed - " Duran is the best guy I ever fought, he would do anything to win."

Jimmy fought his heart out but was a clear loser to both. "Jimmy Heair is like a Rolex" stated one reporter. "he takes a lickin´ but keeps on tickin". His best days behind him Jimmy got into a welterweight tournament in Orlando, Florida, but was upset by Richard House, the kind of fighter he would have licked a few years earlier. A bad ko loss to Sal Lopez July 1, 1980, appeared to be the end for Jimmy, who according to the Ring´s reporter was in a daze ten minutes after the fight had ended. But less than three months later Jimmy headlined at home in Memphis and was a popular winner over Maurice Quillen, which set up another long string of wins as headliner in Memphis, Tupelo and even his birthtown Houston. He stopped Johnny Copeland in a Southern title defence and won the Texas title at welter. But all reports from the fights indicate a very tough fighter past his best. A loss in Chicago to young upstart Roosevelt Green in August of 81 ended his journeyman days.

The trialhorse: Jimmy suffered back to back losses to Mike Senegal and future champ Mike McCallum - a second round stoppage (on his feet and protesting but he was pretty much outclassed). From now on Heair lost many more fights than he won, his record the last three years reads 4-8 and even the wins came hard. Stoppage losses to Nino La Rocca and Don King (the fighter) in Atlantic City spelled the end for a very brave fighter´s fighter. Jimmy stepped in as a very late sub in 83 against Jim Pixley and was outclassed, gave local hero Danny Ferris a tough fight the first time they fought but was stopped - and stopped a lot easier the second time. Finally Heair went out against Adam George on a second round knockout. "One of the toughest thing for a fighter to do is to know when to go out" says Jimmy with hindsight. "One shouldn´t fight past 30, as a young man you can absorb punishment but as you get older it catch up on you."

After boxing: Jimmy moved to Hamilton, Alabama, not so far from either Houston, MS, or Memphis. He contiuned to work in boxing as a trainer, opened a gym, held down the odd job but remained in boxing. "Out here we don´t have much boxing though, this is football country, or basketball. I trained a lot of kids, some were pretty good but all in all it´s tough to get kids to stick with boxing."
He had married in El Paso with Carol had two kids, divorced, remarried and had a daughter. A bad back, the result of a long and hard career eventually led to that Jimmy got on disability. "I still love boxing and watch whenever I can but again, we don´t have much boxing out here."

Jimmy Heair never became a champion - and even if all cards had been played right he might have failed. The lightweights in the 70´s on the West Coast and in the world were loaded with talent. Heair was sparring with reigning WBC champ Rodolfo Gonzales, the fearsome Roberto Duran was the universially recognized World champ. However, all in all in his career he achieved more than most champions ever do. "I might have been a champion, we will never know, but I´m sure my career had been very different had I stayed with Jerry Moore."

Great article.
Man Jimmy was a TOUGH guy.
If you look at his record he kept up a helluva pace.
Even at the end of his career he was sometimes fighting a couple times a month.
Hes got a lot to be proud of .
He was a pros, pro.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 19 Feb 2008, 15:29

scartissue wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Did Lewis stop to get his pay?
You know,I never thought about that. Good one. Hey Pal I saw the same thing happen at the bullring when Davy Moore stopped Kid Irapuato. Moore jumps out of the ring with his robe and gloves still on ,runs outside,and flags a cab to the border. I think money was the last thing on their minds.
Speaking of Irapuato, did you hear about his fight south of the border against 'El Gato' Gonzalez? During the bout someone in the crowd threw a live rattlesnake in the ring. Man, a rough crowd down there.

Scartissue

Never heard about that one,but I used to see them throw a dead rattlesnake around ringside before fights and take a pair of womens' underwear soaked in blood in the crotch and toss them around. A real jovial bunch. By the way Irapuato is a motorcycle cop on the boulevard down there. Puts the mordida(bribe) on motorists during the day and then spends it in the cantinas at night.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 16:14

Kiko Bejines vs Albert Davila

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 19 Feb 2008, 16:30

Davila finished so strongly in his fights - his conditioning was special - but it was the bottom rope that did the damage.
Twenty-five years ago and it seems like yesterday.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 16:52

Its been 25 Years?!

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 17:50

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 19 Feb 2008, 18:57

Bobby Chacon...12-14-07

I wonder what was going though his mind at the moment I shot this photo.

He looks peaceful, yet sad.

Lausse · Post by **Lausse** » 19 Feb 2008, 19:58

Rick Farris wrote:Lausse . . .

Just want to apologize for not getting back with you sooner.

I knew Bobby Chacon in the gym, and would run into him regularly at boxing events, etc. however, Bobby and I never socialized. I did meet Val, on several occasions, and I knew her brother, who stepped in to replace Joe Ponce after Bobby's first loss to Olivares. However, I have NO personal knowledge of Bobby abusing her. Like everyone else, I heard the rumors, read the newspaper accounts, etc. however, I really can't shed much light on Bobby's personal life.

As for the sudden "retirement" announcement after the Sotelo fight, yeah, I remember him making such a statement. Nobody took him serious, he'd lost control of his career, had just been floored a couple times by a VERY TOUGH guy in David Sotelo. I gotta tell you, I sparred a lot with Sotelo at Main St. Gym, and he alwyas was a tough workout. He was one of those guys that had a "hurting" type of power. He was a guy who hurt you with anything he landed, and he threw lots of punches and landed more than his fair share.

OK, here's a stupid little gym fact about Sotelo. He used to workout in cut-off jeans, an old t-shirt, and hi-top tennis shoes. He looked like a babyfaced guy off the street. The first time we worked out, I didn't know who he was. He looked like an amateur in the tennis shoes, I soon found out different.

Bobby, of course, returned to the ring, still tough and competitve, but his life had become confused. Anyway, I loved Chacon, he and Danny Lopez are very special.

-Rick Farris

Hello Rick,

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question about Bobby, and I apologize for my own late reply. I do have a question for you though, and that is concerning the Ken Buchanan/Ruben Navarro fight. I recall you mentioning a story about the scottish fans who came to cheer on their countryman, and how the mexican fans found it amusing to see these drunk scottish fans in their kilts singing and all.

I recall something about the Scotts pissing on the Mexican fans below them or something to that effect, I don`t remember all the details but it sure was one funny story. If you wouldn`t mind sharing it again that would be great, and frankly any storys you have to share are most welcome and I look forward to reading more of your storys.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 19 Feb 2008, 21:05

kikibalt wrote:

The bottom rope caused the tragedy here also. I remember Moore giving an interview in the ring after it was over. He was tired and dissappointed,but who could have guessed that he was fatally injured?
Friends of mine that knew Ramos told me Moore's death had a profound effect on Sugar. He was seeing psychiatrists. I know watching that fight Ramos had respect for Davy. After the bell of each round,Ramos would give a slight bow of respect to Moore before going to his corner.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 19 Feb 2008, 21:18

Here's one for Rick or Kiki

I used to watch Windmill White on TV and saw him once at the Coliseum.
Was he really nuts or was it just an act? I saw him flop on the canvas a few times after Jesse Burnett tapped him on the shoulder. He'd leap up at the count of nine and do the same thing over again. The ref got tired of this and stopped the fight. White lets out a scream,jumps out of the ring,and runs out the door. Strange. Also his manager Baron Von Stumme looked a little odd. What was the deal with these guys? Thanks

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